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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:40 PM

In Trying To Sink Hagel, GOP Takes Aim At Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republicans have found a boatload of reasons to try to sink Chuck Hagel's hopes of becoming the next defense secretary. But the issue they used this week to stall his nomination - the White House's handling of last September's deadly Benghazi attack - may seem entirely unrelated to Hagel's qualifications because, well, it is.

Here are some questions and answers about the connection between President Barack Obama's choice to lead the Pentagon and the campaign by Sen. John McCain and others in the Senate to press for more answers on Benghazi:

Q: How did the Hagel nomination become entangled with Benghazi?

A: The short answer is politics. Hagel had no role in the crisis that took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Neither did the Pentagon, although some have questioned why U.S. troops did not reach Libya until well after the crisis was over. The answer from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is that the closest relevant U.S. forces could not get there before the killings; he has said the Pentagon could have acted sooner if it had received intelligence warnings in advance of the attack.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who has joined McCain, R-Ariz., in temporarily blocking the Hagel nomination, does not claim a connection between the two issues. He asserts that Obama was inattentive when the Benghazi emergency was unfolding, and that by keeping a public focus on this the Benghazi experience could be a teaching tool for future presidents. Graham, in other words, is using Hagel as a political wedge to highlight what he sees as an exploitable Obama failure.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:44 PM

1. Benghazi is a tragedy in search of a scandal

The only scandal it has been able to generate is the GOP's handling of it.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:48 PM

2. They missed on Kerry, so now they're calling in almost ALL of their marks against Hagel.

WHERE the fuck is Feingold during all of this???????????????

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Response to patrice (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:56 PM

3. They didn't miss on Kerry. They wanted him as SOS so his senate seat would be open. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:01 PM

4. In my neck of the woods, the party establishment NEEDS to step aside for young progressives &

just deal with that.

The Democratic party needs to widen its spectrum to the Left or get out of the way, now!

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Response to patrice (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:14 PM

5. What does that have to do with the GOP wanting Kerry to leave the Senate? n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:33 PM

7. It's best if one isn't too dependent upon others to answer one's own questions and one

of the reasons that is best is because some people don't give an elephant crap about anyone else's reasons, so it can be a waste of time and effort.

Maybe one of the things that is wrong with our culture, is the fact that people appear to have forgotten how to try to at least hypothetically answer their own questions. This makes us dependent upon others to do our thinking for us and defines our roles as parrots or factional robots wearing whatever the current label-fad is.

For example, that's how we end up in Oil Wars killing INNOCENT people who didn't have WMD.

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Response to patrice (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:55 PM

8. What does that have to do with the GOP wanting Kerry to leave the Senate? n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:42 PM

9. The GOP is fractured, so I don't accept your over-simplified hypothesis. It sure looks as though

a certain faction worked its butt off on this board to keep Kerry where he was.

If you'd like to know more about that, I hope you have or will first, like all honest rationalists, entertain the notion that you could be wrong and there just might be some missing essential piece(s) of information that you don't know (and please don't make that about me, when you also don't know the slightest thing about whether I have fulfilled my responsibilities in that regard and, btw . . . if you expect respect for your own understandings, my rational responsibilities are not your PRIMARY responsibilities, in the first place). Hence, I suggest a rational approach to your questions that begins as do all honest rationalists do, by recognizing the possibility of being incorrect, and seeking additional information that meet your needs as you have identified them in the recognition of just how likely it is that you could be wrong. Advance search on this board is a good place to look for DIFFERENT orientations on topics.

I'm not here to do that for you and neither am I REQUIRED, especially in this anonymous environment, to respect those who do not respect themselves or me enough to bring something more than oversimplifications to the table, especially when they won't/can't admit, as I do, the fact/degree of the possibility of their own errors in the matter, so any attempt I make would be wasted effort for something that it is best that you do for yourself anyway and that is . . .

Form an honest alternative hypothesis and test it yourself, "lather, rinse, repeat".

FOUR!!!! fingers.

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Response to patrice (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:52 AM

13. ALL I said was, "They didn't miss on Kerry. They wanted him as SOS so his senate seat would be

open." And you've been going on and on and on and on about I-don't-even-know-what. Do you think I'm wrong in what I said? That they DIDN'T want Kerry to be nominated (and then easily confirmed) so that his now-open seat could perhaps be filled by a Republican (say, Scott Brown)?

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Response to patrice (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:35 PM

12. "moderate republican" policies need to be replaced by strong progessive/liberal policies IMO nt

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:27 PM

6. Yesss. Continue to savage the moderate Republican nominee.

Do it in wartime, the better to underscore how nakedly unpatriotic and morally vacant the GOP has become.

Because that's what Republicans are now, as they have always been, racist, obstructionist, dishonest to the core, and greedy beyond description.

Better to let them practice such malevolent behavior upon their own.

By doing so, the delay and obstruction actually concentrates much more power in the hands of the Commander-in-Chief, who assumes some of the empty cabinet position's authority.

When the President starts personally carving out programs, operations, and systems within the Department of Defense, under his own authority, don't come crying to us, you stupid, small-minded savages. You created this opportunity.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:19 PM

10. I'm sick of hearing about Benghazi

McCain and Graham sound like they organized it

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:22 PM

11. I'm still suspicious. I will not forget Mittens Romney attacking while it was still going on.

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