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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:06 PM

Maine, Texas GOP Consider Requiring High Schools To Teach Gun Classes

In middle of the national debate on preventing gun violence, Republican lawmakers in Texas and Maine want gun classes added to public schools. Modeled after a National Rifle Association school program for children, similar proposals that claim to enhance “gun safety” have also popped up in South Carolina and Missouri.

According to the Texas bill sponsor, Rep. James White (R), kids are “resilient” enough to handle guns, which he says are no more dangerous than weightlifting or auto mechanics:

“Education, foremost, as stated in our Constitution, is about teaching our people their rights and responsibilities as a free people,” said White, who emphasizes that the most important component of the class would be teaching students the history and importance of the Second Amendment.

You could go to any high school today and you’ll see them engaging in many what we would consider probably dangerous activities: Welding, auto mechanic, weight lifting, playing sports. So our students are not these little fragile beings. They’re very knowledgeable, they’re very resilient and they can handle this.”


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/15/1599201/high-school-gun-class/

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Reply Maine, Texas GOP Consider Requiring High Schools To Teach Gun Classes (Original post)
Redfairen Feb 2013 OP
upaloopa Feb 2013 #1
marshall Feb 2013 #20
TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #2
Paladin Feb 2013 #6
TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #7
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #12
Paladin Feb 2013 #13
ShadowLiberal Feb 2013 #3
Squinch Feb 2013 #5
blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #4
DFW Feb 2013 #8
KatyMan Feb 2013 #9
AverageMe Feb 2013 #10
magical thyme Feb 2013 #17
Maine-ah Feb 2013 #22
Third Doctor Feb 2013 #11
Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #14
Maine-ah Feb 2013 #23
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #15
magical thyme Feb 2013 #16
Maine-ah Feb 2013 #24
magical thyme Feb 2013 #25
budkin Feb 2013 #18
Tippy Feb 2013 #28
budkin Feb 2013 #19
Maine-ah Feb 2013 #21
Politicalboi Feb 2013 #26
loose wheel Feb 2013 #27

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:19 PM

1. Get them young and you can make a life long

gun nut er I mean gun industry customer . Programmed and ready to shoot. What this country needs is more guns and gun owners then we will all be safer!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:39 PM

20. Pair it up with sex Ed and it would be a hit

Guns and condoms for all!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:53 PM

2. Who is going to pick up the tab?

Not the f*cking NRA, you can be sure of that.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:11 AM

6. That's The Question For Which Gun Activists Never Have An Answer.


Gun training in schools is driven by gun industry efforts to put as many firearms in as many hands as possible. Recently-released memos from the industry's leading advocacy group confirm that long-suspected fact. Don't let the NRA's Eddie Eagle program anywhere near your kids' schools.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:47 AM

7. Exactly right.

Their #1 priority is to sell guns and ammuniton, no matter what anyone tells you.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:31 PM

12. You want to see an NRA extremist's head explode

tell them you would support this based on the funding coming from a tax on the sales of fire arms and munition ...

I have made this type of reply to suggestions about having armed guards at all schools and frankly the response has been quite entertaining each time.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:21 PM

13. That's Pretty Much What I'd Expect.


It would never occur to pro-gun extremists to make a good PR move like that---a few bucks added to the purchase price of a firearm and a box of ammunition, with the money dedicated to funding gun safety courses or security measures in schools, would offset some of the damage a madman like LaPierre is doing to their movement, every time he opens his mouth. I hope they continue to be this clueless.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:37 PM

3. So, teaching things like how to drive = no, but guns in the hands of immature kids = yes?

Gee, what could possibly go wrong there? It's not like there aren't dozens of cases a year where a student, most often someone frequently bullied, brings a gun in and shoots the bullies and people who try to stop them from shooting the bullies.

But cases of students armed with a car trying to run over a school bully or someone they don't like, next to zero. But of course driving classes are just expensive to continue, even if we used to charge parents so much for their kids to attend the driving education course.

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Response to ShadowLiberal (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:33 AM

5. In the schools in my area, they are having a hard time squeezing in social studies, science, art,

sports, physical education, music and vocational training - you know, what with all the test preparation.

But sure. Let's put in lessons about someone's hobby, rather than making the hobbiests responsible for the ramifications of their hobby.

However, I think baton twirling is also a very important hobby, so I fully expect that baton twirling instruction will get equal time with gun instruction in our schools.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:10 PM

4. TX: NO to critical thinking skills, but YES to this sh!t

That'll work out, just fine.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:49 AM

8. As a Texan, I understand the Republican reasoning behind this

In an age of budgetary belt tightening, when school massacres occur, they don't want killers to be needlessly wasting ammunition.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:52 AM

9. Even in Texas

This bill will never pass!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:28 AM

10. I think Maine is schizophrenic

 

In some things they are quite normal and sane, but in other things, well, I don't know but they seem to be dingbats.

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Response to AverageMe (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:04 PM

17. 2 cultures

inland versus coast
wealthy versus poor
sophisticated versus never left county, mind state or country

Tied together in very tight-knit, small communities and are literally living in a different time.

The 2 ex-cops that proposed this come from very rural, poor counties where people still rely on hunting to eat and the wood they cut to heat.

They remember (and described during their testimony) when they went to high school and there was a rifle team as part of their regular phys ed curriculum.

They see "Sandy Hook" as a problem of gun safety education. They're nostalgic for a time that has long since passed. They haven't seen, and cannot conceive of, the extreme isolation and loss of community that much of the country lives in.

The ranger who stood up in qualified favor was not really in favor of their bill, but of small child education to "don't touch, get an adult" type of safety education.

The private citizen with qualified support was living in the past.

The governor's rep was against the mandate and in favor of encouraging interested parents to use existing community resources for gun training, of which there are many.

The people who stood up to oppose the bill were excellent, and included the head of superintendents, the head of principals, and several private citizens.

The legislature asked excellent questions of most, and didn't question a couple of private citizens.

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Response to AverageMe (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:34 PM

22. we have a very large number

of people who own guns. We also have a very small number of gun deaths each year. Every state has some legislators that are going to submit bills that won't pass because they're ridiculous. This is one of those.

If you're talking about LePage, remember he was only elected with 38% of the vote - and this past election the Tea Baggers were thrown out on their asses - and LePage will be tossed out on his ass in the next election.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:58 AM

11. This does not surprise me.

The Repugs would rather have gun education than sex education. The backward bastards.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 05:08 AM

14. Is there any issue that they're NOT backwards on?

It always seems like they're wrong on everything whether it's guns, education, health care, taxation, or civil rights.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:35 PM

23. we have a very good sex education

curriculum in Maine - and this particular bill will not pass.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:41 AM

15. Schools everywhere are cutting out important subjects left and right

but the GOP wants to mandate gun classes?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:01 PM

16. It won't pass in Maine

Funny, I read this and then turned on the tv. I recently started getting another PBS station that runs public hearings all day. And this was what was currently running.

Governor 38% is against the mandate. Has hell frozen over yet, because we are in agreement. Holy shit!

Anyway, 2 former cops offered up the proposal. Based on their testimony, the 2 key people that offered qualified support, the questioning of those people, and the people in opposition, it won't and can't happen.

First, legally the Maine legislatures has no power to mandate curriculum.
Second, there is no budget or time to support the proposal.
Third, the legislature appears to oppose post-secondary education on the use of guns. One even asked if it education on crossing streets is currently mandated.

What *may* happen is statewide encouragement of including, within health-type classes, along the lines of sex ed, good touch/bad touch and personal hygiene, a segment for kindergarten-primary kids to know what a gun looks like and if they see one 1. don't touch it 2. get an adult.


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Response to magical thyme (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:37 PM

24. my daughter's preschool class

last year had an officer visit - of course they got to do the "cool stuff" like sitting in the cruiser, but the officer also talked to them about gun safety and about not touching them and to get an adult if they see one.

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Response to Maine-ah (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:38 PM

25. that's the kind of gun education the witnesses supported

and on a voluntary basis, not a mandate.

It was the secondary education in handling and use and the mandate that I expect to be opposed, based on what I saw.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:12 PM

18. Massive profit for NRA and gun industry!

Woohooo

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Response to budkin (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:09 AM

28. Talk about hitting the nail on the head...U did it...

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:14 PM

19. Honestly this has no chance even in Texas

The uproar would be swift and terrible

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:20 PM

21. the Maine bill

wouldn't require the class, it would be an elective class. Not that I think the tax payers should be footing the bill for a class like this. If parents want their kids to take a gun safety course, then they can send them to a gun range on their own dime to do so.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:50 PM

26. WTF?

According to the Texas bill sponsor, Rep. James White (R), kids are “resilient” enough to handle guns, which he says are no more dangerous than weightlifting or auto mechanics:

Yes because we all know how effective it is to throw weights around to kill people. And wrenches could be dangerous too. They might drop on your foot. So I can see where he's coming from.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:55 AM

27. I was on my high schools rifle post match team

 

It wasn't that long ago. We fired .22 caliber bolt action rifles. It was tremendous fun.

High Schools in some areas provide Driver's Education to people who want it, and that is a significant bit more expensive than a marksmanship training program would be.

Also some basic knowledge of guns, even if one doesn't own one is a good thing. As an example, one might find themsleves as the first person on the scene of an accident and realize that a gun was ejected from the vehicle(s) involved. It's best not to leave it laying there, a criminal may retrieve it before the police can. It's best to safely secure it until it can be handed over to the police, that means knowing how to "clear" a weapon.

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