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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:07 PM

UPDATED: McCain: "a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel...he attacked president Bush mercilessly"

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McCain then said the following on Fox News.

He will probably get the votes when we return from the recess unless something pops up and that’s doubtful that it will. To be honest with you Neil, it goes back to there is a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel because when he was a Republican he attacked president Bush mercilessly. At one point said he was the worst president since Herbert Hoover. Said the surge was the worst blunder since the Vietnam War which is non-sense. And was very anti his own party and people. People don’t forget that.


According to Claire McCaskill on MSNBC’s Hardball, failure to confirm Chuck Hagel means that he will miss the NATO conference next week and it sends a message to the rest of the world that he maybe does not have the support of the rest of the government.

This is clear evidence that Republicans are willing to jeopardize the security of this country for a political vendetta. It is not for political gain as this transparent move will further degrade their standing with the American citizens.

Full article + video of McCain interview:

http://egbertowillies.com/2013/02/14/breaking-news-republicans-filibuster-chuck-hagel-confirmation-for-being-anti-his-party-video/

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Reply UPDATED: McCain: "a lot of ill will towards senator Hagel...he attacked president Bush mercilessly" (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
kairos12 Feb 2013 #1
DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #2
maddiemom Feb 2013 #62
HillbillyBob Feb 2013 #69
Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #3
southern_belle Feb 2013 #4
dkf Feb 2013 #5
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #22
dkf Feb 2013 #24
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #26
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #27
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #66
dkf Feb 2013 #68
azureblue Feb 2013 #70
The Wizard Feb 2013 #95
maddiemom Feb 2013 #65
usafvet65 Feb 2013 #34
LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #36
PatrynXX Feb 2013 #82
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #6
Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #12
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
GoneFishin Feb 2013 #47
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #48
leftynyc Feb 2013 #20
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #21
leftynyc Feb 2013 #40
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #43
leftynyc Feb 2013 #46
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #50
leftynyc Feb 2013 #51
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #53
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #87
BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #7
Cha Feb 2013 #55
Nika Feb 2013 #8
Third Doctor Feb 2013 #9
connecticut yankee Feb 2013 #28
karynnj Feb 2013 #73
lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #10
Jake2413 Feb 2013 #11
oldandhappy Feb 2013 #13
pacalo Feb 2013 #15
dgibby Feb 2013 #38
Clyde Tenson Feb 2013 #44
Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #52
pacalo Feb 2013 #63
LuckyLib Feb 2013 #77
Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #84
No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #16
Inuca Feb 2013 #18
bemildred Feb 2013 #17
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #19
AlbertCat Feb 2013 #23
Jennicut Feb 2013 #25
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #31
Cha Feb 2013 #88
connecticut yankee Feb 2013 #29
SCVDem Feb 2013 #30
NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2013 #32
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:11 PM

1. Expect nothing less from the party of chickenhawks

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:13 PM

2. hey John

remember when members of yoru own party tried to ruin you because you dared challenge Bush for the nomination?

You probably forgot.

You have long ago burned out your goodwill as a war hero; I hope that when Old Age comes and gets you, he directs you to the nearest part of hell, run by Vietcong.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:34 PM

62. Well McCain has long been a major disappointment, siding with the chicken hawks,

but this is pretty harsh on the old guy, all considered. The Chicken Hawks in the Republican party are unbelievable! Hagel is a Republican, an actual combat vet with purple hearts. He's receiving the John Kerry treatment from his own party, although he's a perfect example of President Obama's reaching across party lines. Disagreeing with Dubya? That's classic. McCain is pretty much the only major Repub who's actually served in an at risk position...and we'll never hear the end of it, no matter how much respect he deserves. Mongering war and dissing those who've actually served ( Rumsfeld,was never in action) is a right wing ploy that needs to be destroyed with common sense.

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:58 PM

69. Hagel was enlisted

Being Enlisted is the biggest crime against pkes sense of superiority.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:16 PM

3. Can we trust McCain's opinion when he chose Palin?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:27 PM

4. ...

This is clear evidence that Republicans are willing to jeopardize the security of this country for a political vendetta. It is not for political gain as this transparent move will further degrade their standing with the American citizens.


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:29 PM

5. Geez is McCain serious? This is about defending Bush's record?

 

I shake my head.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:24 AM

22. No

it's about defending Bush's "honor" and "integrity", apparently. At least, that what it sounds like. Is McCain SERIOUSLY defending Bush's (unnecessary) foreign policy f-ups in Iraq????


Is anybody but him still defending Bush/Cheney on Iraq? Seriously?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:51 AM

24. Where is the shame? Will they ever feel bad they lied us into a war?

 

Bunch of war criminals.

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Response to dkf (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:02 AM

26. I agree they have no shame at all.

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Response to dkf (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:09 AM

27. Did the people who lied us...

into Vietnam Nam ever really feel bad? No. As to "Fog of War", McNamara was just trying to resurrect some of his image before he croaked

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Response to dkf (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:12 PM

66. If anybody deserved impeachment, it was George W. Bush and almost his entire (mis-)administration

I can't believe that the country ever took Clinton's impeachment over lying about sex so seriously and the UNNECESSARY deaths of 4K soldiers and lord only knows how many innocent Iraqis just to remove a single dictator who and his cronies whom weren't a threat to anybody outside their borders............. If there is a hell, there ought to be a special place reserved for what they did IMHO

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:30 PM

68. 3 pieces of the most egregious acts I can remember belong to Bush.

 

Bush v Gore, lying about the Iraq War and the Irresponsible Bush tax cuts. They all belong to George W Bush. He is without a doubt the worst president ever in the history of our country.

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Response to dkf (Reply #68)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:17 PM

70. add

the flooding of New Orleans (due to Bush cutting the levee repair money, starting in 2002) and Bush's failure to prepare for Katrina and have rescue units ready for when it passed. And for trying to turn the La. rescue op into a political advantage.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:02 AM

95. The Ninth Ring

of Dante's Ninth Circle is where you'll find the defenders of the Bush cartel. That is John McCain, political whore.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:48 PM

65. Cheney still being out there spouting his bullshit is bad enough when he should be on trial.

It's sad to know that McCain has lost what have should be a highly respected status, by bitter defense of a party that doesn't deserve it. Can you imagine McCain meeting Eisenhower in the hereafter? I'd love to hear the conversation.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:50 AM

34. No this is McCain defending his own place in history

its him doing everything he can to prove he and the other neocons had it right on invading Iraq. Forget that we NEVER found WMDs

McCain once held a place of honor NOW he is a small little man who doesn't deserve the respect I would give a rock in my driveway.

His behavior toward President Obama suggest to me that he is also a racist. Nothing this "black" President ever does would meet McCain's approval.

I guess the best way to describe my distain for him is that it is equal to the distain he shows to this President and anyone who has ever crossed him. This country would be so much better off if McCain and his buddy Graham would just fade away taking their hatred with them.

I can't wait to see Hubris: "The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War" the documentary on MSNBC Monday 9:00 EST.

Based on the book: http://www.amazon.com/Hubris-Inside-Story-Scandal-Selling/dp/030734682X/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360946722&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Huburis

McCain is going to blow a gasket.

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Response to usafvet65 (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:07 PM

36. He never should had received any respect on the basis of his military service.

It wasn't anything to sneeze about compared to those that did their job and didn't treat it like play.

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Response to dkf (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:48 PM

82. so this whole thing about Libya is about protecting Bush's honor?

seriously he's senile...

I don't think Rick Santorum sees it that way according to his lame spam emails I keep getting where he had a typo the last time. which basically said Republicans don't want someone who is Pro Israel. Wonder if they check their emails before they send them out.

We've had 2 surges. neither of them worked. One under Bush and one under Obama..

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:35 PM

6. Israel. MIC. All anyone needs to know about what's happening here.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:10 AM

12. Chalk up another one for AIPAC

And their Shactmanite Neocon operatives in the US...

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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:11 AM

14. I'm not prepared to blame AIPAC...unless Dems bail. THEN it's AIPAC.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:51 PM

47. The current delay is certainly part of a plan to

whittle away at support for Hagel. No way is this simply time for innocent pondering. No doubt they will look for some dirt. But more significantly, they have held open this window of time to allow foreign interest lobby groups to hammer democrats to withdraw their support for Hagel.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:55 PM

48. You got it. Trying to find something to peel away Dem support and weaken

Obama's resolve on Hagel. It's really disgusting.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:14 AM

20. Yes, of course

It MUST be Israel's fault that McCain went on CNN and confessed this was all about payback. It absolutely MUST be Israel's fault or so many of the people here just wont be able to sleep. Blech.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:19 AM

21. It's not Israel's fault, as a people. It's the Republican pro-Israel wackjobs who enforce neocon

foreign policy in this country. Hagel's biggest detractor by far is "Emergency Committee For Israel". Why pretend otherwise? John McCain clearly has a bug up his ass, but politics is just a part of it.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:37 PM

40. Israel hasn't said one word about Hagel

and even AIPAC (who are Americans and have every right to their opinion) has said nothing. But many here continue to blame Israel (I never said it was the Israeli people). You want to blame the republicans, blame the republicans (which would be true) but Israel getting bashed over this is dishonest but pathetically predictable on DU.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:44 PM

43. Read this, and tell me that it isn't some pro-Israeli interests that are trying to bring him

down, along with other interests (defense industry):

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/02/hagels-adc-speech-long-sought-by-rightwing-blogs-157059.html

It's just impossible to ignore the nature of attacks against Hagel. That doesn't mean all of Israel or AIPAC or Jewish people should be blamed, but it's dishonest not to acknowledge some of the elements involved here.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:51 PM

46. Not dishonest in the slightest

The republicans keep moving the goal posts on Hagel's confirmation wanting more and more irrelevant information. That's the REPUBLICANS doing that....not Israel. So very nice of you not to blame all the Jews for this. Really, so very sweet.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:32 PM

50. Not understanding your tone. You aren't acknowledging the nature of questioning at the hearing.

We all saw it. Over and over, it was all about support of Israel--even Lorne Michaels had to mock it. When Hagel's name was first floated in December, a Republican aide said "Send us Hagel and we'll make sure everyone knows he's an anti-semite." That's been almost the ENTIRE basis of attacks on him. Iran is secondary, but since they're not really going to attack us, one might assume that also relates to Israel. If Hagel goes down, it will most likely be a statement related to Israel. They are searching for it, desperately. In the same way I don't think the Tea Party represents all of the US, I also don't think these neocon/pro-Israel interests represent all of Israel or people of Jewish faith in America. But to ignore the obvious weapon used to bludgeon this man (his insufficient faithfulness to Israel) is total cognitive dissonance.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:37 PM

51. Did you even watch the last week?

It was all Benghazi -wanting more info on Benghazi - it's not just McCain, it's the moron Graham also. They gave up on the Israel thing weeks ago when it was obvious that was a bogus argument. Yet, here it's still the "neo-cons" and the fault of Israel.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:44 PM

53. Neocons = war in the middle east, pro-Israeli-interest foreign policy, and $$$ for the MIC.

They are the biggest opposers of Hagel, and of Obama's foreign policy direction in general. You are just dancing around everything I'm saying. Benghazi is a bone they won't let go of, but it's not what's going to stop Hagel from being confirmed. Jennifer Rubin posts daily rumors and attacks on Hagel, and Repub Senators take all of their attacks on him directly from Rubin, Kristol, and the Free Beacon, literally word for word in some cases. Sheldon Adelson funds the attack ads and directly calls Senators. That's not Benghazi. That's not GOP disloyalty. That's American right wing pro-Israel nutjobs taking the lead in tearing down this nomination, and the GOP Senators are willing puppets.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:29 AM

87. +1

Nailed it again. Israel is nothing but a red herring in this political show. It is amazing how many can't see past the smoke and mirrors, but in all honesty, I can guess why.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:40 PM

7. That will sound like a ringing endorsement to most people

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:49 PM

55. To reality based people everywhere.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:46 PM

8. Bush had a record worse than Herbert Hoover, and should never have blighted the Oval Office

McCain and other ReThugs of the filibuster they claimed they never would stage can drop dead for putting vendetta above national security.

I have nothing but disdain for McCain and crew.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:55 PM

9. Bush deserved the attacks.

Hagel supported you when Bush smeared you in 2000 Mccain. This is how you him back. They loe blind obidiance i the GOP.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:19 AM

28. Yes, but

Hagel endorsed Obama over McCain in 2008. That's what the payback is all about.

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Response to connecticut yankee (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:12 PM

73. he endorsed no one in 2008 - though as a sitting Republican senator that's not good

for McCain.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:27 PM

10. One more kindergarten round of "GOP Kill The Messenger"

And as usual, no one gives a rats ass what John McCain thinks.

They're all microphone whores. If they don't see themselves on the news, they imagine some satanic conspiracy to bring the press back around.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:55 PM

11. I love it......

now the Republicans are blaming Bush

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:11 AM

13. playing dangerous games

All this will come back to bite you, John. Way too much instant communication these days. You going home? Just curious.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:59 AM

15. Hagel's remarks against Bush have nothing to do with it.

If McCain were being truthful, then McCain is a two-faced hypocrite.

How loyal is John McCain? He's turning his back on & stomping on his former campaign manager's -- & former Republican friend's -- chance to become the nation's defense secretary because Hagel rebuked the same man idiot that McCain himself sharply criticized to a conservative news rag in 2008 when it served his purpose:

In an interview with the conservative Washington Times, McCain recited a laundry list of issues on which he thought Bush had failed: "Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government - larger than any time since the Great Society." He also included "laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America" and "owing $500 billion to China."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/john-mccain-turns-attacks-new-target-president-bush-article-1.299997#ixzz2KwwEpvis


From the Washington Times interview linked in the above excerpt:

“Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously,” Mr. McCain said in an interview with The Washington Times aboard his campaign plane en route from New Hampshire to Ohio.

(...)

He rejected Mr. Bush’s use of issuing “signing statements” when he signs bills into law, in which the president has suggested that he would ignore elements of the bills, labeling them potentially unconstitutional.

(...)

And Mr. McCain emphatically rejected Mr. Bush’s claims of executive privilege, often used to shield the White House from scrutiny.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/23/mccain-lambastes-bush-years/#ixzz2Kx0sp4GF


I have to agree with what I heard earlier this evening on Lawrence O'Donnell's show: It's not about Chuck Hagel's criticism of Bush; it's all about obstruction.

McCain is a disloyal, two-faced scumbag.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:32 PM

38. Anyone who would actively obstruct/oppose all efforts to account for/rescue

his fellow POWS/MIAS is more than disloyal. He's a criminal and should have been prosecuted. We should have paid the Viet Cong to keep him.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:00 PM

44. You are all missing the reasons for Hagel's troubles

 

It's not McCain's personal vendetta, it's not Lindsey Graham protecting his right flank, it's not Inhofe's bull shit...it's obstruction pure and simple, produced and directed by the paymasters. Think about it...who more than anyone wants the U.S. to be engaged in perpetual war? These "elected" whores are just following orders. Everything else that they throw out, for reasons to deny Hagel, is just smoke and mirrors. However, McCain did say something truthful. This delay might buy time to see what else might pop up outta Hagel's closet. And you can bet your sweet ass that "the boys in the back room" are feverishly digging for it. I'm just sayin'.

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Response to Clyde Tenson (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:42 PM

52. That's pretty much my view.

It's not an apolitical vendetta. It's being undertaken by those in the MIC who don't want to see Defense cuts, and who most desperately want a war with Iraq (for a whole complex of immoral reasons).

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Response to Clyde Tenson (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:35 PM

63. That's exactly it.

But McCain's double standard & hypocrisy really rubs me the wrong way. I saw the clip of his self-righteous tone while making a statement to the media about the man who had been a good friend to him. Perhaps it's one of the most glaring testaments we'll ever see of just how much of a hold the corporate world has on congress.

Welcome to DU, Clyde!

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Response to Clyde Tenson (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:52 PM

77. This sums it up. They are working full tilt to "get something" on Hagel.

And McCain? Well, we can't have anyone stepping "out of line" now, can we? We're Rethuglicans!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to Clyde Tenson (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:00 AM

84. Thanks so much for spelling it out, totally agree

Anything else is just a distraction. Welcome to DU!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:17 AM

16. McCain re Hagel ..."when he was a Republican..."

To my knowledge, Hagel is still a Republican, isn't he?
I never read that he renounced or changed his party allegiance.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:17 AM

18. I noticed that as well

and I agree, AFAIK he never officially changed his party affiliation. But to McCain and the others of his ilk he is obviously an apostate. I wonder if Hagel will ever change his party affiliation, no matter where his likes and allegiance may actually be. Not change it just for the heck for it. 99.99999% he will never run for political office, so it does not really matter what he calls himself.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:14 AM

17. Awesome, make them defend Bush the Lesser in public. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:06 AM

19. Its fun to watch an Iraq war WMD cheerleader lecture America on National Security.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:31 AM

23. Non-sense?

Nonsense is now hyphenated?

And, BTW, Bush WAS the worse president....ever. And the Surge was a PR stunt that cost lives.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:00 AM

25. BOMS. Bitter Old Man Syndrome.

McCain is STILL bitter about Obama winning and Hagel attacking the surge. What a freaking crybaby at 100 years old.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:40 AM

31. LOL--I skimmed over "100 years old" and then I finally noticed it.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:30 AM

88. AKA ODS.. Obama Derangement Syndrome..

Good one, Jennicut

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:21 AM

29. "When we return from the recess?"

Does that mean the President is free to appoint whomever he wishes?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:36 AM

30. I want to watch this on MSNBC

'Hubris: Selling the Iraq War' hosted by Rachel Maddow, Feb. 18 at 9pm E.T./6pm P.T. Monday

Let's see how badly we were really lied to and then see if Chuck Hagel's actions weren't those of a Patriot and Veteran looking out for our country and troops.

They called us Un-American, traitors and much more, just for questioning Bush/Cheney.

Hagel is the hero and I hope this documentary has some smoking guns which take down Lindsey Graham, McCain and the many other Bush loyalists. Rachel has stated that this show will shake up many in Washington.

It could be an interesting return from vacation for congress.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:42 AM

32. What a freaking hypocrite!

I didn't notice that MacInSane had Bush on the campaign trail with him and the lip -sticked pig. INterestingly, neither did the Rmoney OR any other repug or bagger running. These "people" and I use that word loosely, should be tossed out on their collective ears after a good tar and feathering and dragging through the town square. I am so sick of their bull$hit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:45 AM

33. He should be anti his own party because they are a bunch of assholes.

Good on Chuck.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:54 AM

35. "...he attacked president Bush mercilessly"

And why should that be a problem? The asshole stole 2 elections, lied us into wars,
and drove the country into a ditch and then set it on fire?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:23 PM

37. it's cute that McFiveplanes and his southern belle snuggle bunny have bush's back..

you can't buy loyalty like that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:35 PM

39. In 2008, didn't McCain declare that Hagel was one of his top choices

for Secretary of State if he were to win the presidency?

And, in 2000, McCain said Hagel was his ideal choice for Sec of Defense when he was running against Bush?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:40 PM

42. That was before the Tea Party was created

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:30 PM

49. Thank YOU!

I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:40 PM

41. The vote was 58-40, with 60 votes needed for cloture.

And who was among the 40 Republican assholes? Johnson (WI), Kirk (IL), and Toomey (PA), all of whom occupy seats which would have easily remained Democratic had Democratic voters simply gone out and voted on Nov. 2, 2010.

Our impeccable get-out-the-vote drive we had in 2012 must be in place in EVERY election going forward (and not just presidential elections).

Every election, Every time...VOTE!!!
Vote as if your life depends on it...because it does!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:18 PM

45. McVain Hates Hagel For Criticising Bush?

Let's face it, Bush was in over his head and Cheney was an ends justify the means disaster. Together that does make Bush in the top 3 for worst President ever.

As far as McCain and his love affair with the surge that ended up killing over 1,000 Americans a solid argument could be made that both the Awakening that preceded the surge an al Sadr standing down his troops in September 2007(?) were both more consequential than the surge without the huge cost in lost lives. McCain is simply an opinionated old man that has lost his grip.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:19 PM

57. The surge also worked because we paid one faction not to shoot at us.

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Response to Botany (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:32 PM

60. That Was The Awakening

It started before the surge and overlapped part of the surge. It was confined to Sunni areas in Iraq. Why al Sadr stood down his troops nobody knows but he was living and studying in Iran at the time so was it pressure from Iran or pressure from the surge. If it was pressure from the surge one would think that he would have attempted to extract some kind of concession in return for standing down his troops. A good argument can be made that is was a big waste of American lives and treasure. The surge in Afghanistan didn't change much there so that also bolsters the notion that these other events were far more critical in Iraq than the surge.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:46 PM

54. Poor resident bush..

So did the Iraqi Journalist who threw his shoes at him.. he had it coming.

And, remind me why bush wasn't at the RNC?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:03 PM

56. McCain: Corrupt and past his sell-by date

Embittered, angry, tantrum-throwing old man.

Did I mention corrupt?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:26 PM

58. it's not about his qualifications only that repugs are sissies

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:31 PM

59. So the complaint against Hagel is... HONESTY?

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Response to aquart (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:37 PM

101. and accuracy

everything he said was/is true
When are we going to admit to the American people that republican values and policies are bankrupt? Why do we believe they know anything about the economy or world affairs? We need to stop backing Israel and take the economy out of republican's hands. All this waging war and bombing are not getting us any where.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:32 PM

61. Yeah. They care about this country & how OUR tax dollars are spent. Wake up, fools!

McCain LOVED Hagel when he was running. Fair weather friend.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:45 PM

64. I can see why they feel that way. If I loved Bush and loved the Iraqi War, I'd feel the same way nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:28 PM

67. Senator, did you just admit your party is filled with political hacks?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:52 PM

71. McCain is a two-faced hypocrite ...

McCain is the the most two faced hypocrite. Someone should put together a string of video clips from his presidential race against Barack Obama. He made some very nasty comments and complaints about former President Bush trying to distance himself from a presidency that ended in disaster. And yet he points a finger at former Senator Hagel, calling him a former Republican. Hagel is still a Republican. Just because a Democratic President has nominated him for Secretary of Defense does not mean he has left his Party; although the Party has left him. They are attempting to humiliate him. But Hagel fails to hang his head and quit. Good on 'im!
McCain acts like someone with severe paranoia.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:57 PM

72. He still can't believe he's not president. That's his problem.

He's a useless part of our government now.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:20 PM

74. R E T I R E already!

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Response to graywarrior (Reply #74)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:48 PM

110. He is old enough

He's 76 and has been a U.S. senator since 1987.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:35 PM

75. I think this is the Hagel interview; ironically, he said McCain was the best of the 2008 Republicans

On foreign policy, anyway.

QUESTIONER: As a student of history -- let me ask this in a provocative way -- can you name a less effective Republican administration -- (laughter) -- since Herbert Hoover and will this one have a comparable effect on your party as Hoover's did in the next generation? (Laughter.)
...
HAGEL: Well -- (laughter) -- you've not failed us, Bob. (Laughter.) I would say that history will make that determination as to -- (boos) -- I'm not finished. I'll give you -- I'm going to give you my -- (laughter) -- people looking for red meat here.

I'll give you my personal opinion. I know I'm not known for that, but -- (laughter) -- that's why I'm so highly regarded at the White House. History will make that determination, as you know, Bob, more than almost anyone. And I'll leave that to history as to its determination. As to my personal opinion, which I have not been shy about sharing, I think as most of you know in speeches or interviews, this administration in my opinion has been as unprepared as any administration I'm aware of, not only the ones that I have been somehow connected to and that's been every administration -- either I've been in Washington or worked within an administration or Congress or some way dealing with them since the first Nixon administration. I would rate this one the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus -- almost every area, I would give it the lowest grade.
...
And so I -- to your question about who is in my opinion closest to my foreign policy, John McCain is the only one that I -- of the candidates that I've worked closely with -- of the Republicans. Now, Joe Biden -- I'm very close to Joe Biden's philosophy about foreign policy. I suppose of all the candidates out there, including McCain, I'm probably closer to Joe Biden's. And I think Biden would be a very good president. I think Joe Biden would be a very good secretary of State.

http://www.cfr.org/iran/conversation-chuck-hagel-rush-transcript-federal-news-service/p14895

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:43 PM

76. I wish McCain was equally pissed about those who attack President Obama mercilessly

At least people had legitimate reasons to criticize the lies and warmongering of W.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:09 PM

78. You mean the frat boy who defeated you in South Carolina ...

with cheap racial potshots? McCain is fool.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:27 PM

79. Go away please

Hey,
I am so sick of him, and let me guess he is on the Sunday shows yet again this weekend.

Peace

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:44 PM

80. MCPAIN sit down and ST Crap Up


we are so tired of your Floor Shows.

Did his Mother fail to give him attention when he was hatched?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:49 PM

81. The word he wants is "accurately."

And it was Bush who was merciless.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:03 AM

83. DonViejo

DonViejo

Bush WAS the worst president - that be democratic or republican since Herbert Hoover.. In fact I would claim that President George Walker Bush, was far worse than Herbert Hoover ever would have been, even on bad day...

Compared to Herbert Hoover - it was a new low for the US when George Walker Bush jr was elected - and he damaged the United States beyond recognition, for decades to come.. And he singlehandedly almost ruined the alliance who for more than 60 year, had being standing together with the US against other enemies - NATO..

Diclotican

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:18 AM

85. I am going to argue a couple of points with Sergeant Hagel

First, George W. Bush wasn't "the worst president since Herbert Hoover," he was "a worse president than Herbert Hoover."

The other is his assertion that the surge was the worst military blunder since the Vietnam War. The whole Iraq war was a worse military blunder than the Vietnam War; the surge made the Charge of the Light Brigade look like a sensible military exercise.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:27 AM

86. Hagel is still a republican you bitter prune.

Just not an insipid bag of weak tea like yourself.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:38 AM

89. And if Bush* hadn't attacked you, Senator, you probably would have had the 2000 nomination

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:07 AM

90. In retrospect (for all to see) - Deservedly so....Give me an argument against dude....

the FACTS of that criminal Bush administration - Of curare they are yelling - they want to continue their sick Republican ideology - Olicarcy...

We won't have it! (Nor should any thinking American, as they push their brand of patriotism in our faces, for whom, their gain & empire).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:03 AM

91. Attack is the wrong word. Bush attacked Iraq mercilessly.

Hagel criticized Bush for doing it, and rightly so. Just because McCain and the rest of his party refused to face reality doesn't mean Hagel was a traitor because he had the common sense to do so and the courage to put country before party.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:33 AM

92. I really don't get McLame's loyalty to the Chimp.

Something is wrong with that geezer's head. He has nothing but anger and hatred for Barack Obama yet heaps endless praise on the asswipe who smeared his family back in 2000.

Time to retire, Gramps. You're going senile.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #92)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:21 AM

93. Bingo BlueStater. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:58 AM

94. John McCain

in a song

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:05 AM

96. McCain attacks without mercy

in the name of statesmanship!! Write to his office and tell him if you agree with him, or not. He needs to hear from some one other than his 'base' when it comes to national issues.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:16 PM

97. mccain is a jerk, and he deserved everything he got from bush and rove. mccain will long be

forgotten in the junk pile of history

However, the president, the start of healthcare reform, banking reform, getting us out of two republican wars, will not be forgotten, just as social security and medicare are a everlasting legacy to the Democratic party, something that the republicans also opposed

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:06 PM

98. why do so many people say they 'respect' him

 

even tho he is such an ugly asshole?

""John McCain just shouted at a girl scout today, on camera for all to see his perplexing rage, calling her names like Rush would do to Sandra Fluke. Some say this is a bad thing McCain did, but they still respect him because he was a POW about a 100 years ago, so girl scouts have to be aware of this and if they are not, well, their parents didn't teach them right and it's not really John's fault.''

is that why he is such an ugly asshole is because people in the media and his colleagues let him be one?

fuck you John, I have more respect for my dog's pile of poo in the snow than for you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:15 PM

99. Bush deserved whatever Hagel said about him

Last I heard, Bush LIED to everyone in order to go to war.

Seems the bad feelings should be directed at BUSH and his gang, rather than anyone else. McCain is losing it, and has been for a long time. Anyone who would think that the nit wit from Alaska Sarah Palin was qualified to be Vice President doesn't have all of his marbles.

McCain needs to retire, he's insane.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:26 PM

100. Every time McCain wants something he should be given the back door.

He wants a report give it to him in French. He wants a tour arrange for him to be frisked, cavity searched, delayed, ...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:53 PM

102. Republicans hate those who don't pretend "Imagine all the (("Christian", White)) people"their way.

Hagel has been fucking with McCain's Royal Flush for a long time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:58 PM

103. He told the truth. That is not attacking. That is stating facts.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:27 PM

104. Based upon McCain's comment, if the Republican are ever able to

get someone in the White House then the Democrats in Congress should put said Republican President to hell and back every day for the way the Republicans have treated President Obama.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:28 AM

105. I am all for love.

 

But sometimes to keep objectivity,you have to recuse oneself.
Say for Major Hurricanes on Birthdays or Defense Secretary Confirmation hearings for example.
Come on guys,get a room!
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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #105)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:44 AM

108. LOL--thanks for this.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:30 AM

106. Hello, Whine-One-One?


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:41 AM

107. Joe McCarthy, again?

The teabagger republicans are becoming more McCarthy oriented and frightening. It's scary when their sole source of information is Fox, Drudge, Hannity and Limbaugh. How can a handful of maniacs have so much control!!! Dems need to get a set and fight back against these extremists. Get rid of Reid and put someone with a backbone as the leader.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:26 PM

109. wonder who will replace McCain when he retires? Arizona has a pile of waiter nuts (R)s, retire him

He's living in his past and can't seem to do any of his current work for his state or in washingtondc.

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