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ZRT2209 Feb 2013 OP
Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #1
ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #2
Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #5
riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #7
tblue Feb 2013 #18
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #3
GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #26
Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #27
Third Doctor Feb 2013 #4
riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #6
demwing Feb 2013 #8
ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #9
russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #10
nikto Feb 2013 #12
tblue Feb 2013 #19
russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #36
nikto Feb 2013 #11
demwing Feb 2013 #13
Cleita Feb 2013 #14
gateley Feb 2013 #28
life long demo Feb 2013 #15
ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #20
s-cubed Feb 2013 #16
greymattermom Feb 2013 #17
RickFromMN Feb 2013 #21
NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #22
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
Little Star Feb 2013 #29
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #24
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #25
southern_belle Feb 2013 #30
DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #31
XOKCowboy Feb 2013 #32
IphengeniaBlumgarten Feb 2013 #33
I am Ian Feb 2013 #34
Faryn Balyncd Feb 2013 #35

Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:44 PM

1. Yes. Be gone, Harry, be very fucking gone!

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:47 PM

2. I mean resign leader post - not resign from Senate. eom

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:51 PM

5. That's what I meant, too.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:58 PM

7. Yes...

that I agree to.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:56 PM

18. YES! FOUR YEARS AGO!

I want Patrick Leahy for SML!!! Or Barbara Boxer. Al Franken. I mean, Harry Reid? HARRY REID? Really? That's the best we can do?

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:48 PM

3. No. Blame the vote on The REPUBLICANS were the blame belongs.


This vote is exposing the GOP for the obstructionists they are to the American public.

This is going to be a good thing for the dems in the end.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:11 PM

26. Exactly.

Harry Reid isn't the one who is filibustering here.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:30 PM

27. Dark Art of Politics

I've read interviews with Reid where he talks about wanting to spotlight over and over this messy process, where Republicans either blockade, go to the brink. It becomes more important than getting the actual bill through or person nominated.

We've seen this several times in the past couple years.

I guess this is the Dark Art of Politics.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:50 PM

4. I think he should step down from his post.

I also have to blame certain other Dems for not supporting reform. Reid does share blame on this because he is in a leadership position and there is no way around that,

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:58 PM

6. Yes, but I am just a Canadian

Harry should go.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:03 PM

8. Absolutely, he lied to everyone

He's not a leader, he's a misleader.

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Response to demwing (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:05 PM

9. fool me once, twice, three times, four times, ...one billion times...

facepalm!

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:07 PM

10. Gosh, did anyone see this coming ?

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:12 PM

12. Gosh, it's like...

Jumping off a 500-foot cliff onto rocks and not expecting it to hurt when you hit bottom.

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:57 PM

19. Yeah, who knew they'd filibuster

after all that brilliant negotiation? Who knew?

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Response to tblue (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:33 PM

36. Exactly. Just when I start thinking we've got our shit together

we trip over our own shoelaces.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:09 PM

11. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Should Harry Reid resign his majority leader role over his filibuster fail?

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Response to nikto (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:17 PM

13. Not sure I'm following you here

can you clarify your answer a bit?

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:21 PM

14. Yes, but only some one who can do THE TREATMENT.

Is there is an actual other Senator that can accomplish what he can't? We need an LBJ who will put a fist into McConnell's face to get business done it seems. I'm not a condoner of violence or dirty tricks, but right now, it's beginning to seem that this is what we need.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/People_Leaders_Johnson.htm

In leading a narrow majority, Johnson relied on his power of persuasion to keep the Democratic Conference united and round up additional votes among Republican senators. Reporters Rowland Evans and Robert Novak described the "Johnson Treatment" in their book Lyndon B. Johnson: The Exercise of Power (1966):

Its tone could be supplication, accusation, cajolery, exuberance, scorn, tears, complaint, the hint of threat. It was all of these together. It ran the gamut of human emotions. Its velocity was breathtaking, and it was all in one direction. Interjections from the target were rare. Johnson anticipated them before they could be spoken. He moved in close, his face a scant millimeter from his target, his eyes widening and narrowing, his eyebrows rising and falling. From his pockets poured clippings, memos, statistics. Mimicry, humor, and genius of analogy made The Treatment an almost hypnotic experience and rendered the target stunned and helpless.


Who will be our Lyndon B. Johnson?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:34 PM

28. I really think Joe is a master -- but he's reined in because he has to be part

of the official Administration. Even if he wasn't, I think his days are numbered with the "new breed" of Republicans poisoning Washington. Not as bad as the House, but... We've got some good new ones, too, but don't know if they're of LBJ calibre. Yet. Can you think of anyone?

But I agree -- I've been saying since O was first elected that he should send Joe down to "do an LBJ"

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:26 PM

15. Hate to say this, but yes he should

Reid had a chance to change the filibuster rule, he didn't. If I remember correctly, he had a handshake agreement with McConnell which means nothing.

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Response to life long demo (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:20 PM

20. Amen

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:28 PM

16. No, nt

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:29 PM

17. when the sequester comes

close Fort Knox

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:31 PM

21. At the very least, Reid should not run for Majority Leader of the Senate in two years.


I have mixed feelings about him resigning as Majority Leader now.

He made this bed when he didn't fix the filibuster. He should get to lie in it.
I don't see what a new speaker can do to pick up the pieces.

On the other hand, someone else needs to take the reigns and start to salvage the situation.

If anyone thinks the Republicans won't reform the filibuster should they gain control,
I would think it would be easy to con them into buying some choice property on the Moon.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:35 PM

22. Nope. No way.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:47 PM

23. Yes. His inaction on guns and cowardly leadership on filibuster reform...

 

Are a detriment to the party. And he should relinquish the power he is too cowardly to utilize.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:39 PM

29. The filibuster reform is the one that got me.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:03 PM

24. No. There are other Senators responsible too.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:08 PM

25. Maybe

I think that he's pretty good at what he does for the most part. After Daschle was defeated in 2004, he did a good job rallying the Democrats in the Senate against Bush's Social Security scheming. The main problem is that he is still responding to how things used to be only a few years ago. However, the Republicans have rapidly (de-)volved since then and I don't think him and most of the "old school" Democrats have been able and/or willing to adapt to match them blow-for-blow. The Democrats in the Senate really need to take a an hour or two sometime soon (maybe Joe B. can attend too?) for a good old-fashioned "huddle" to try to come up with some kind of strategy to break the Republican chokehold they have on the Senate and/or figure out some way to make the Republicans pay an increasingly expensive price for their tactics.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:59 PM

30. yes n/t

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:03 PM

31. HELL YES!

Frankly he is a losse tooth that has been festering in your mouth for years! As much as we gloat about the GOP, we have so much dead weight on our end we could easily be next, unless certain people who will not FIGHT are sent out to pasture.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:31 PM

32. Hell Yes!

After last year it was obvious that we needed filibuster reform and he punted AGAIN! I'm sick of this! Put someone in with a backbone!

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:36 PM

33. It may be cathartic to suggest this ...

But tell us who would really be better.

Also, to advocate Reid's resignation appears to put all the blame on him. Too many democratic senators would not vote for the reforms he floated. And many, many of the republicans are behaving badly. Let's not distract the public from blaming them.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:04 PM

35. yes

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