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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:32 AM

If your Jewish like I am and feel that there is a lot of things which make sense on the right

You might want to read this.http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/01/the-national-review-complains-that-obama-was-too-hard-on-nazis/

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Reply If your Jewish like I am and feel that there is a lot of things which make sense on the right (Original post)
busterbrown Feb 2013 OP
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #1
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #15
Kablooie Feb 2013 #27
sakabatou Feb 2013 #2
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #3
busterbrown Feb 2013 #4
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #5
busterbrown Feb 2013 #6
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #8
busterbrown Feb 2013 #9
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #11
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #10
busterbrown Feb 2013 #12
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #13
busterbrown Feb 2013 #20
leftynyc Feb 2013 #14
busterbrown Feb 2013 #21
LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #29
Hippo_Tron Feb 2013 #28
Tunkamerica Feb 2013 #7
Sheepshank Feb 2013 #25
JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #26
Sunlei Feb 2013 #16
Always Randy Feb 2013 #17
busterbrown Feb 2013 #19
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #22
busterbrown Feb 2013 #23
Always Randy Feb 2013 #24
bemildred Feb 2013 #18

Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:12 AM

1. Nothing "on the right" makes sense.

They're all a bunch of greedy, ignorant, selfish, stupid hypocrites. There is not ONE repuke stance that is correct.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:00 AM

15. Seriously

it is like they intentionally look at things and take the opposite position from what is right or works.

Part of it is the reflexive nature against "liberalism."

It does not matter what it is, the moment anyone not on their side of the fence advocates for something they will knee jerk react against it.

But, even their "economic" concepts are bass ackwards.

I get someone with a lot of money supporting the republican's from a tax perspective.

That is the ONLY thing that the party actually works for.

It just is mind boggling that supposed economic minded people are relentless and totally loyal to the trickle down bullshit when it clearly does not work. And, that they are so condescending toward Democrats about SPENDING when the Republicans, clearly, not even debatable, the numbers show it beyond any dispute, are 10 times worse with spending and budgets, at least at the national level.

I
Just
Don't
Get
It

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:07 PM

27. Holding a pencil makes more sense on the right than the left for me.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:47 AM

2. Republicans making sense?

In what weird world are you talking about? Wait, isn't the NR a right-wing rag?

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:49 AM

3. I don't understand your comment.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:09 AM

4. a lot of my Jewish friends have drifted towards the right since the Reagan era.

much of it has to do with Israel and the strong allegiance it has established with the right. I am finding more
and more evidence that the right is only interested in Israel for political cover. The link in my post certainly verifies this fact...The political points they tried to gain with their comments proves my point..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:14 AM

5. OK. Thanks for the clarification.

However, I totally disagree with your assessment. There may be a number of Jewish people who favor the "right" when it comes to Israel, and for that, I completely understand. But, in reality, most Jews, have not drifted to the right over Israel and it is false propaganda spewed by the extreme left, some liberals, and the right; but it simply isn't true, and the voting records prove this time and time again. So, no, your link proves nothing of the sort. I do agree many on the right use Israel as a pawn, especially the Christian right; it is not out of love for Israel or Jews, but rather for their own selfish motivations.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:18 AM

6. Do you have any links which compares the Jewish Vote before Reagan to the same vote after Reagan?

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:21 AM

8. I used to have them. I would have to search.

I can do a quick search tonight, but I will see if I can find more info later if I can't. You can remind me, if need be. That work for you?

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:32 AM

9. Well if you find them, please get back. I’ve been very upset lately by what I believe is a major

exodus by Jews from the Democratic party, I realize that it improved dramatically during the last election over the SS and Medicare issues but I would still like to see some numbers...

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:38 AM

11. I just posted another link to you other comment.

It will also provide numbers in relation to voting patterns with democratic candidates. Hope it helps.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:37 AM

10. This wasn't the one I was looking for, but it will do for now.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

1980 -- Reagan -- 39%
1984 -- Reagan -- 31%
1988 -- Bush -- 35%
1992 -- Bush -- 11%
1996 -- Dole -- 16%
2000 -- Bush -- 19%
2004 -- Bush -- 24%
2008 -- McCain -- 22%
2012 -- Romney -- 30%

If anything, after Reagan, the numbers fell considerably, and since him, only Bush Sr. (running against Dukakis) saw numbers past 30%. Also, one has to take in consideration the votes for the democrats and well as independants.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:49 AM

12. Thanks...I thought American Jews fully backed Israel to the hilt And that republicans have been

getting great monitory rewards for supporting Israel.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:53 AM

13. You may be confusing two different things.

Just because votes don't fall to Republicans, doesn't mean Jews aren't supportive of Israel (to the hilt, or otherwise). It is a ploy (to make those claims) used by the right/conservatives to lure Jews, but it rarely has any effect. It is also employed by the left to imply disloyalty of Jews, as well as, the "complete control" Israel has over the US.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:49 PM

20. Well, I’m supportive of Israel but certainly not their extreme right wing govt..

Which might of shifted more to the middle after last election...

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:22 AM

14. Sheldon Adelson is but one person

and he's nuts.....billions of dollars worth of nuts. The majority of Jews understand the scam....the right claims to worship Israel but it's merely the land they love, the land of Israel must exist for them to be able to join Jesus (or something like that, I don't really know or care). They care nothing about the Jews. We hear during every election season that there is a giant groundswell of Jews ready to shift right and every election, that gets proved wrong.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:35 PM

21. lets face it..... there are tens of thousands of Amer. Jews who hold the same views as Adelson.....

They just aren’t billionaires. I have posted many times that Sheldon shouldn't turn his back on the extreme right. After they feel Israel is secure for the “Coming”, they’ll be coming after him....

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:58 PM

29. Here ...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

Very interesting stuff. I had known that American Jews tend to vote for Democrats, but not quite how strong the tendency was. Even in the Republican landslides of 1972 and 1984, a large majority of Jewish voters chose the Democratic candidates. There doesn't seem to have been a big change with Reagan. The Republican who got the largest share of the Jewish vote was Eisenhower (40% in 1956) and the one who got the smallest was Goldwater (10% in 1964).

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:08 PM

28. Both sides also seem to ignore the fact that Israel has a left of its own

And they made gains in the last election. Netanyahu will remain PM by a hair, but he will have to make serious concessions to form a coalition. Israelis sent him a message that he needs to get more serious about peace.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:19 AM

7. Political Cover and the End of Times.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:45 AM

25. Someone is simply making up shit

and you repeat it here without a shred of evidence and look to DU to refute it or support the made up shit?

Hardly.

I don't even know what to make of your defensive statement in using Republican labels for Liberal Elitists.

Telling.

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:57 AM

26. That's a good article

I think folks might get confused by your subject line .


It's really critical folks go read the article - here's a 4 paragraph clip -

A Commentary about the National Review by another Media Outlet -

Little has changed through the years. They still have an affinity toward the white supremacist movement. In December, the publication’s Editor at Large, Jonah Goldberg, actually encouraged Republicans to “get a lot more racist” to win black votes. While those words, although an exact quote, are somewhat more sensationalist than the article, he does argue that black people (and liberals) are too stupid to know what’s good for them:

Any serious attempt by the GOP to win black votes won’t involve Republicans copycatting liberal policies. It will require going over the heads of black and white liberal slanderers to offer a sincere alternative to failed liberal policies on schools, poverty, crime, etc. The more effective that effort, the more the GOP will be called racist.

While on the surface, it might seem that the NRO’s criticism of Obama’s reference to Nazi Germany was just another jab at their favorite Democratic punching bag, it could be much more. For the National Review, it’s likely that the Holocaust did in fact make a lot of sense.


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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:12 AM

16. Nazis are the center of neo-conservative politics as well as the Tea Party movement

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:28 AM

17. please stop using the possesive "your" for the contraction "you're"

it'll make us look like tea party members

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Response to Always Randy (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:44 PM

19. Thanks so much for pointing out my simple error..

I know the difference....but because of smart guys like you I ain’t editing it which I usually do....
As a matter of fact guys like you are the reason the term “ elite liberal” hangs over our collective
heads..

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:49 PM

22. I'd rather look like an "elite liberal" than a teabagger. n/t

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:12 PM

23. You would rather be inquisitive and empathetic rather than racist and dumb..

Thanks for the heads up.....

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:32 PM

24. the term is "liberal elite"

not to be confused with the "effete snobs" referenced by Spiro Agnew

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:42 AM

18. Everybody has to learn eventually that they are being lied to. nt

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