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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:04 AM

The Other GOP Plan To Blow Up The Electoral Vote

BENJY SARLIN FEBRUARY 4, 2013, 6:10 AM

GOP efforts to rig the Electoral College in favor of GOP presidential candidates may be close to dead, but a group of Republicans are hard at work at another plot to blow up the system: switch to the popular vote.

Although more closely associated with progressive circles in recent years, the idea has a number of conservative activists behind it as well. And there are signs its gaining momentum.

I think theres a growing consensus that the winner-take-all system were currently under is a problem, that its not representative, that only a small number of states benefit, and that it needs to be changed, Saul Anuzis, a Republican national committeeman from Michigan who advocates on behalf of the nonpartisan National Popular Vote group, told TPM.

The plan, as espoused by groups like NPV, is to lobby states to pass binding legislation pledging their entire slate of electors to whichever candidate wins the most votes nationwide. The bills would only take effect once enough states join in to provide a guaranteed majority in the Electoral College 270 votes in order to prevent individual legislatures from trying to game the system unilaterally.

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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/popular-vote-republicans.php?ref=fpa

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Reply The Other GOP Plan To Blow Up The Electoral Vote (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
BlueStreak Feb 2013 #1
Rstrstx Feb 2013 #3
Rstrstx Feb 2013 #2
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #4
davidpdx Feb 2013 #7
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #8
RudynJack Feb 2013 #9
davidpdx Feb 2013 #11
RudynJack Feb 2013 #12
Kablooie Feb 2013 #5
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #6
madinmaryland Feb 2013 #10

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:24 AM

1. I don't like anything based entirely on the popular vote

because that means the vote rigging in Florida and Ohio can cancel out legitimate votes in other states.

And I definitely do not like the idea of this system taking effect after only half the electoral votes are committed that way. We can already see that the states supporting this are mostly the blue states. And states like Texas will hold off so that they can guarantee their electors to the GOP regardless of the popular vote. This should only kick in after a really decisive number of states have bought in -- say at least 85% of the electors. Even then, we can be certain it will be almost entirely red states that refuse to go along.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:31 AM

3. Wouldn't matter

Since it would only go into effect after states which have 270 electoral votes have ratified it it would render the rest of the states' EVs useless.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:26 AM

2. Bring it on

The republicans have won just one popular vote tally since 1988

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:55 AM

4. Then just get rid of the Electoral College

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:26 AM

7. That would take a constitutional amendment

which would be a very tough sell to both Congress and the American people.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:49 AM

8. Wouldn't what they are planning need a Constitutional Amendment also??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:56 PM

9. no

it's states acting to change how they allocate their electors - no amendment required.

But it may violate another clause prohibiting states from entering into compacts with other absent congressional approval.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:08 AM

11. I hope that is true

I am no constitutional scholar though, so I'd be the wrong person to talk to.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:41 AM

12. I have no objection to a popular vote compact.

I do object to certain states reallocating electors to ensure a win for the person without the popular vote.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:11 PM

5. Or we could go back to the unpopular vote like we did in 2000.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:25 PM

6. The GOP would never do that.

That means large metro area like LA and NY would have more clout. The GOP would never go for that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:27 PM

10. What a bunch of dipshits. The only states that will pass in would never vote for a Democrat

anyway.

Who gives a fuck what Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming do.

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