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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:36 PM

I'm disappointed in Obama.

I don't think he should have released the photo of him with a gun. In fact, I don't think he should have told anyone he's gone shooting. But that aside, the fact he felt inclined to release a photo proves how fucked up our culture is when we deal with weapons. You know back in '04 when Kerry released photos of him hunting? I didn't like that. Even if that's what Kerry does, the fact he felt the need to prove he did it to the American people, show us his toting of a gun, is ridiculous. As if that makes him more appealing because he shoots a gun? Why?

And that's my point. It just seems we're wrapped up in this idea that to be manly, a real man's man, you've got to prove it by owning a gun or shooting or hunting. I actually liked the fact Obama didn't have to showoff any hunting abilities or sports shooting in either of his elections ... he didn't pander like politicians feel they need to and that was refreshing. And I don't think he's pandering now, since he's already won and what the fuck, right? But I mean, it just goes right back to the main point - it seems politicians, especially men, have to prove their manliness by shooting something. Remember how Romney got caught in a lie about being a lifelong hunter?

Who cares?

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Reply I'm disappointed in Obama. (Original post)
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 OP
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #1
nick of time Feb 2013 #8
RC Feb 2013 #34
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #14
lunatica Feb 2013 #55
msongs Feb 2013 #2
Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #3
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #15
graham4anything Feb 2013 #4
nick of time Feb 2013 #10
magical thyme Feb 2013 #30
bigwillq Feb 2013 #5
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #6
mac56 Feb 2013 #19
magical thyme Feb 2013 #32
Cha Feb 2013 #46
onehandle Feb 2013 #7
graham4anything Feb 2013 #12
Socal31 Feb 2013 #47
graham4anything Feb 2013 #49
Socal31 Feb 2013 #51
graham4anything Feb 2013 #52
treestar Feb 2013 #58
patrice Feb 2013 #9
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #17
patrice Feb 2013 #23
pacalo Feb 2013 #37
EarlG Feb 2013 #11
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #18
davidpdx Feb 2013 #35
Cha Feb 2013 #45
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #13
flamingdem Feb 2013 #16
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #20
magical thyme Feb 2013 #33
otohara Feb 2013 #21
judesedit Feb 2013 #22
Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #25
Herlong Feb 2013 #24
Sunlei Feb 2013 #41
Herlong Feb 2013 #62
CJCRANE Feb 2013 #26
pa28 Feb 2013 #27
ReRe Feb 2013 #28
ucrdem Feb 2013 #29
CJCRANE Feb 2013 #31
ucrdem Feb 2013 #38
NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #36
Sunlei Feb 2013 #39
demgrrrll Feb 2013 #40
Sunlei Feb 2013 #42
One of the 99 Feb 2013 #43
Cha Feb 2013 #44
Socal31 Feb 2013 #48
babylonsister Feb 2013 #50
BoycottTheDay Feb 2013 #53
Hoyt Feb 2013 #54
lunatica Feb 2013 #56
woo me with science Feb 2013 #57
jfksucked63 Feb 2013 #59
Enrique Feb 2013 #60
NightOwwl Feb 2013 #61

Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:38 PM

1. I concur. It is the one photo I've seen of the President in which he didn't look intelligent. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:01 PM

8. He didn't look intelligent?

 

Why? Because he was skeet shooting? Is your hatred of guns so strong that you feel you have to insult our President for doing what millions of Americans do each week?

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Response to nick of time (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:48 PM

34. "...millions of Americans do each week?"

 

Skeet shooting? Ahhh, yeah OK. Wherever you say.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:19 PM

14. That wasn't my point.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:05 PM

55. LOL!

You're sooooo

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:45 PM

2. maybe republicans will love him more now. that fantasy has legs nt

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:49 PM

3. The jutification is that this is a fig leaf

so that the president can get a little it of cover for the gun reform he is in the process of doing. This way he can say, I like going out and shooting just like any red neck so you can trust me to be fair and balance in my approach to gun reform.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:19 PM

15. We'll see. I don't think it'll matter a whole lot.

I'm more disturbed by the fact the right won't take the President at his word. Why would he lie about something like that?

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:49 PM

4. Dukakis, Kerry and Mitt looked ridiculous and pandering. President Obama looks in on an inside joke

 

this is not political election, and President Obama is not running for anything.

and President Obama, unlike the others, looks cool.

the others were pandering in a political election season and it backfired on all three.

Bang. the NRA is shot down. That is KOOL.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:03 PM

10. ^^^This^^^.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:27 PM

30. This ^^^^

The only campaigning going on right now is about gun control. Right now the 4M strong NRA is holding the other 326M citizens hostage. The President just shot them down by demonstrating that he is not biased against guns.

He also let the rw nutjobs make fools of themselves again. For anybody who's forgotten how nuts they are.

And yes, he looks cool and comfortable in the photo. Clearly wasn't a photo op...just another day shooting skeets.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:50 PM

5. It's just all part of his big chess game strategy.

It's really no big deal. It's not like he won't be reelected now.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:55 PM

6. If you want guns controlled because they scare you, that's a weakness.

If, however, you own firearms and still want them rigidly controlled, it's added credibility.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:24 PM

19. this

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:28 PM

32. and this ^^^

He's not afraid of firearms. Just respects what they can do and wants them regulated for that reason.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:30 AM

46. Precisely. Thanks Buzz Clik

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:56 PM

7. It was pointless. The people it was designed to impress won't accept a single gun restriction. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:09 PM

12. that's not the point though

 

point is, guns and the NRA are at the beginning of the end for them

lifestyle changes are making it so

everything they do is looking more and more desperate and extremist

90% of people used to smoke, and without restriction then or now, 90% don't
because of lifestyle changes

did anyone think this would be overnight or one quick law?
It took 260 plus years of culture

and it will take some more

but the NRA is already dead. They just don't know it yet.
See:the Knight who said Ni. That is the NRA.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:30 AM

47. You keep linking he NRA and all gun-owners.

The vast majority of gun-owners do not belong to the NRA.

What makes you believe that "guns" are at the beginning of the end? We can't even get the guns that need to be illegal, and were illegal at one point, re-banned.

Gun restrictions have only been getting more lax.

The NRA will hire some publicist like Blackwater did, rename itself (XE), and appeal to the broad spectrum of legal gun-owners who do not think universal background checks are a waste of time, or that Joe Schmoe should be able to go buy an automatic weapon.

I typed half of this post and then realized that you were the person who asked if Bloomberg could buy all the guns and ammo on the market to eliminate private ownership, and then wished I hadn't even started.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:42 AM

49. You gotta eradicate all from the street. A ban on one type does nothing to stop it.

 

One needs to ban all from the street to stop guns being in the street

BTW, President Obama proved a point-
he did it FROM HIS OWN HOUSE (camp david is the president's house).
He did NOT take the gun into the street.

how more obvious is it?

Guns need to be eradicated like the swine flu or smallpox from the street.

only authority(federal/state/local while on shift) should have a gun

and once none are in the street, then they can't be carried into a mall, a store, a restauant, a shopping center, a library over a grassy knoll, a hotel kitchen, a rooftop in Memphis, on W72nd street in Manhattan, in Rep. Lowenstein's office, in any public place as everything is accessed from the street.

you gotta put a ring around it.

You gotta change the culture.
Infecting someone with a deadly illness, on purpose, knowing it is a death sentence, is illegal.
Put a ring around it, like the vaccines for deadly illness do. Then they are eradicated
(until of course idiots like Quack Wakefield, and we have to start all over again.)

banning one type is a 10% move forward
however, we need to end with a 100% move.
It will take time.

they say 34 people a day die from guns in the street.
Eventually, someone will be the last person to die from a gun in the street
shame all those people still will die from legal and illegal guns.

but the beginning of the end is near.
It took 260 years of the gun culture.
Do you think it can be eradicated overnight?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:58 AM

51. Who is trying to eradicate it?

The 34 people per day that you quote that "die in the street" are not all shot by legal open/concealed gun owners.

Nobody is discussing what you are talking about, so I really wonder why you think there is some super-secret-squirrel plan to ban guns altogether.

People like you muddy the waters, and are the reason that we can't get meaningful legislation to the floor.

Your fantasies and ignorance on guns, such as your question about just buying all the guns on the market, as well as those in the post I am replying to, show that you are not on the same level as Obama and most Democrats.

"One needs to ban all from the street to stop guns being in the street"

I can't tell if this is just being obtuse or trolling.....I am fairly certain meth and coke are banned from the street, but I can promise you, they are still there.

We need credible people such as Obama and Biden who can try to limit gun deaths in America. They will never be eradicated, nor will "deadly illness. (I won't even get into inferring that AIDs is still a death sentence and how that notion in fact deters at-risk groups from being tested, therefor spreading it further).

My only comparison is that you would have ignored the opportunity of the Apollo missions because you wanted to land on Mercury.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:12 AM

52. 10% now is a downpayment on 100% at a future time.

 

The NRA needs to be eradicated.

reclassify it as a terroristic organization and use the powers already granted to stop their funding.

once the funding is gone, they cannot wage a $100 million dollar publicity campaign

once the last pro-NRA candidate is defeated in an election, the congress will look totally different

all it takes is time and money

the NRA now has the Great Equalizer.

BTW, why did you leave out Mike Bloomberg, when you say credible people like PRESIDENT OBAMA (and we call him President Obama, not just his last name, and VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
You seemed to leave out the #1 person who wants to limit gun deaths in America.
You left out Mayor Mike Bloomberg, the great equalizer.

BTW, AIDS is not a disease one can live with for the rest of their lives. It is no longer a death sentence, provided one keep taking the medicines they are given.
And I had a really great friend, Vinnie, who died of AIDS, and it was under control for over a decade, but who in the Bush years, lost his job and because of his pride, he was too embarassed to tell any of his friends that he stopped taking his drugs because he could not afford them. Yup, it came back and killed him many years ago now.
So, please don't lecture me on AIDS.

and please, add, Mike Bloomberg to your list above, I am sure it was just an oversight.


and why do you think this fight is a one shot fight?
It is a start. A conversation. 10% of something becomes another and another and another.

of course, going for 100% at one time gets nothing.

SO we avidly want the 10%.

but the NRA is like the Knight who said Ni, already dead. They just don't know it yet.

remember-90% of the population in NYC smoked
now 90% of the population don't smoke
and nothing was changed but the culture
it still is legal, however most people have quit or are trying to quit

it's all the gun culture.

remember, one plus one don't equal three.

btw when you say "people like you"
do you mean they like me, they really like me
or do you mean they like me, they really like me
because the phrase means two things depending one ones interpretation.

I will let any person interpret.
some said they see things as they are and say why
LBJ signed the voting rights/civil rights acts and was 100% spot on

without a gun, and a bullet, no one would have died by a gun.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:26 PM

58. That's true

And they will still rant about how he is going to take all the guns and become a dictator. These are not reasonable people.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:03 PM

9. I don't see it as a statement of anything to do with manliness, but rather a demonstration that PO

is not biased against guns.

As in so much else, his personal approach is balanced and the photo was intended to demonstrate that he isn't necessarily biased against guns in and of themselves.

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Response to patrice (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:21 PM

17. No, I agree...

In his case, it's not about manliness - but I think that's what drives this idea we need our male politicians to show their huntin' skills.

It's ridiculous. Who cares if Obama enjoys shooting sports? And why should he prove that he enjoys it? And while I get he doesn't want to appear 'biased', does that mean those who don't own guns or use 'em can't have a voice in the gun control debate?

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:39 PM

23. You're right, there's a lot of stuff going on about men, so there will be those who mistake

this picture as an affirmation of manhood, since PO is already primarily an exemplar of that trait to some less well informed recent converts from being Republican.

You're also right that people who don't own guns or use them do appear to be under-represented in the debate, so it would be nice to see some authentic affirmation of our actual position from someone like PO and that means a substantial representation, in his/her own voice of the actual rational grounds for specific improvements in regulation and control, especially regarding assault weapons, NOT just saying something about us like, "They (gun control advocates) think __________________ ___________________________________ ___________ etc. " but an actual representation of our case and it would be nice to hear that from someone identified as maybe even having, at minimum, leanings against our position, NOT someone already on "our side" like Senator Feinstein.

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Response to patrice (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:46 PM

37. That was how I looked at it, too.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:09 PM

11. It's not like they just released the photo for no reason

He was asked if he's ever fired a gun. He said, sure, we go skeet shooting all the time at Camp David. Cue the RW critics howling "Bullshit!" and "Prove it!" So they released the photo, which was taken last August -- way before Sandy Hook and the recent gun debate.

It's not like they just rushed out there and took the pic to make a point. It was taken months ago so clearly they had no intention of releasing it, but they were challenged, so they did.

And FWIW, while I support strict gun control, I don't have a problem with sport shooting, which is what the President is doing in the picture.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:23 PM

18. I have no problem with him shooting...

I do have a problem with the idea he has to prove it and that as a culture we seem to value the idea that those who do shoot or hunt are more important than those who don't - or at least their opinions are.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:02 PM

35. I agree

It did seem like there were quite a few people who were questioning whether Obama had ever gone skeet shooting. If the photo already existed then releasing it was a way to shut them up.

One thing that these people seem to be trying to push is that if you have never fired a gun you have no right to question the 2nd Amendment. Now I must have missed that part when I was reading the US Constitution or maybe it's only in the NRA's version of the US Constitution.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:27 AM

45. Thank you for making that all very clear,

EarlG.

PBO wasn't braggin'.. the M$M started it.. and he finished it. Done and Done.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:13 PM

13. He should have ignored it, I agree. But it's extremely unimportant.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:20 PM

16. I wish that no one would enjoy killing with a gun

even pretend. But in this case it might help with the supporters he wants to peel off, those who use guns for sport, and it would be good to create a split in the NRA over that.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:31 PM

20. I think it was smart ...

The GOP is constantly carping about nonsense. And this is a great example of it.

Obama makes an offhanded comment about sometimes shooting skeet, and the GOP freaks out hoping for a gotcha moment.

So they release the photo. And those in the middle see it and are reminded just how nuts the GOP has become.

Its important to remind people that the GOP is deranged at every opportunity, especially these kinds of things, because later, you will want people to see the GOP as deranged on some larger topic where it matters.

On edit: I'll be sending THAT picture to a right wing friend of mine who is SURE Obama is coming for his guns. With the caption ... "Obama training so he can personally come and take your guns".

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:34 PM

33. and this ^^^^

I'd love to post the pic at work.

I was shocked last week when the night shift lab tech started sniveling (literally), totally out of the blue, that "They're going to take away our guns!"

So I reminded her that President Obama has already held office for 4 years and asked, "Has anybody you know been interred in a FEMA camp for re-education? Has anybody come and taken your guns away? No. We just want some regulations so any nutcase can't go off on a murdering spree."

At least she had the sense to look embarrassed. Sheesh...

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:31 PM

21. Agreed, It Just Opened Himself Up For

for a whole lot of mocking and criticism.

I wish Gabby and Mark would rid themselves of guns too.
Fucking guns, get rid of em.



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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:39 PM

22. Obama is NOT against guns.He's against killing innocent people with the.Get the difference?

Sport versus murder/homicide. Accidental or otherwise.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:27 PM

25. I think that is the point that people miss

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:03 PM

24. Annie Oakley; November 1, 1894

 

So Annie Oakley. Was she trying to prove a point or did she just love to shoot? There is a chance our president can appreciate.

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Response to Herlong (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:25 PM

41. Annie Oakley an awesome shot, a great story. All those crowds and never a gun accident too!!

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:24 PM

62. Thank You

 

N/T

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:59 PM

26. I think Obama is more "All American" than people give him credit for.

Unlike the GOPers, Obama seems to appreciate nearly all aspects of American culture and tradition.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:01 PM

27. I'm not disappointed. IMO it just illustrates how carelessly the media mainstreams RW nutjobbery.

The supposedly liberal media killed stories about George W. Bush's drug and alcohol arrests and his AWOL status from the National Guard.

That same liberal media now demands proof Obama was born in the US and actually engages in some skeet shooting at Camp David.

Well, they got their proof but they'll never be satisfied. I'm disappointed . . . but not in Obama.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:08 PM

28. When I first seen the photo...

... I wasn't real crazy about it either. Mainly because my mind went immediately to the Newtown, CT parents/community. Looks a tad bit hypocriticalish?

But almost as quickly, my mind went to the right wing gun-nuts, who are swearing that they are going to make a giant uprising with their guns. This might be pointed at them.
Maybe even to really make their blood boil, urging them to and "bring it on."

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:17 PM

29. Here's how I see it: he didn't choose this issue,

he got stuck with it, along with the rest of the toxic leftovers he's been cleaning up for the last four years. Does he give a fig about shooting skeets? Maybe, but I doubt it. Was gun control ever at the top of his personal to do list? I kind of doubt that too. But after the worst year for US mass shooting fatalities (2012) going back 30 years, per a Mother Jones study released after Newtown, he didn't have a choice. And this being politics he does what he needs to do, and apparently he determined that he needed to arrange for such a photo to be taken and released. If it gives him credibility on the issue I don't see any harm.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:28 PM

31. I agree with your main point

but I think the photo was probably meant as pre-election PR (but not used at the time for whatever reason).

The photo was taken in August and Newtown happened in December.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:55 PM

38. You might be right.

That crossed my mind too. My guess is that he had the photo shot as soon after the Aurora, CO shooting (July 20) as he decently could, knowing he'd have to take on the gun lobby soon or later, either as an election issue (fortunately, it didn't become one) or afterwards. And the inevitable came along all too soon.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:20 PM

36. The WH is just having a little fun with the nut jobs who were screaming that he was lying.

That's all.

Just see Plouffe's "skeet birthers" tweet.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:10 PM

39. skeet shooting at camp david, an American tradition and a lot of fun!

nothing harmed except a lot of broken clay, gotta love that.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:17 PM

40. I think it is fine. Takes the wind out of their skeet birther sails. Empty pockets. No come back.

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Response to demgrrrll (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:32 PM

42. If the NRA was smart they could greatly improve the gun image with NON-killing gun sports.

but I don't know if the baggers could give up their love of killing helpless animals from choppers,canned hunts and big profit gov. contracts to run wildlife to death by helicoptor.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:28 PM

43. Please he made the right look like fools

yet again. They walked right into the trap he set for them.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:24 AM

44. President Obama and VP Biden are serious about changing

gun laws with the reality that they're NOT going to take away everyone's guns. He talked about it in the interview and then WP demanded to see a pic of it.

This same WP..

Tweet from.. Eric Boehlert @EricBoehlert
context: The WP that demanded photos of Obama's skeet shooting was the same WP that ran endless front-page WH warnings about WMD's


M$M..

Keith Boykin @keithboykin
They can take George Bush's words on weapons of mass destruction but they can't take President Obama's word on his own weapon?


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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:35 AM

48. This is Democratic Underground.

Obama has said very recently that the 2nd amendment affirms private gun ownership.

Our party platform says the exact same thing.

Why would him shooting a shotgun, which is not a firearm that will ever be banned, be a bad thing?

Besides, he shuts up the extremists who act as if Obama has never even fired a weapon before. It gives him credibility.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:45 AM

50. He might have released the pic b/c WaPo basically called him a liar...

nothing wrong with self defense imo, though it's beyond despicable he was called out in the first place.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/wapo-fact-checker-demands-multiple-skeet-shooting-photos-to-clear-president-obama-of-lying/

WaPo Fact-Checker Demands Multiple Skeet-Shooting Photos To Clear President Obama Of Lying

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:57 AM

54. At least he was not packing or blasting away with a semi-autos at targets resembling people.

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:15 PM

56. It's sad, but I think it was probably decided it was better to release it than not

And I don't think President Obama is doing it to gain followers. He doesn't have to as you mentioned yourself, so since it's obviously a calculated political move it was probably done for various reasons. Shutting people up about his wanting to take their guns away is important if he wants to get gun control legislation passed. He looks to me like he knows his way around skeet shooting pretty well and why would he do it unless he enjoys it? The photo was taken long before the Sandy Hook shootings and long before gun control became an issue at all.

I think he calculated that in order to do what he wants to do about gun control it would be easier if he shows he uses them just like all other gun owners do. I don't believe for an instant that he's trying to get some macho points. That just isn't him.

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:28 PM

57. Because of THAT?

Hmm.


Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Maintaining Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act,
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public support for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA and the new CISPA-like executive order
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize such spying
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Supporting a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans, while the
Bush tax cuts were extended for billionaires.
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with no mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Growth of the power of lobbyists to prevent government regulation of corporations.
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:39 PM

60. i don't care about these cultural battles

if dems think praying, shooting, chewing tobacco, watching Nascar, fucking sheep will score points for them, i say go ahead and do it. I want them to fight on economic issues.

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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:34 PM

61. I agree.

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