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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:58 AM

MSNBC deceptive editing of Newtown Father being heckled.

I don't like it when Faux does it, and I sure as hell don't like it when MSNBC resorts to this kind of bullshit. It undermines your credibility. Don't do it. I understand doing the news or POV politicing requires clips to be edited, but don't do it to the extent of deception in order to change the pertinent context. The original edited version left out the man asking for anyone to answer his question. Even though someone eventually answered him by shouting over him, MSNBC should've at least shown that a person was responding to him asking a question of anyone in attendance.

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Reply MSNBC deceptive editing of Newtown Father being heckled. (Original post)
CANDO Jan 2013 OP
CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #1
DeadEyeDyck Jan 2013 #4
CANDO Jan 2013 #6
winterpark Jan 2013 #2
earthside Jan 2013 #5
CTyankee Jan 2013 #12
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #3
CANDO Jan 2013 #8
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #10
CANDO Jan 2013 #11
EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #7
CANDO Jan 2013 #9
flamingdem Jan 2013 #13
marshall Feb 2013 #14
davidpdx Feb 2013 #15

Response to CANDO (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:02 AM

1. What I don't like is the constant repeat of THIS claim

he was indeed heckled. By insensitive asshole gunlovers (redundant). Rhetorical questions are not an invitation for audience participation.

I am tired of all you gun nuts claiming he was not heckled.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:07 AM

4. Don't think it is a matter of being pro gun.

I saw both versions and it truly seems that MSNBC was trying to alter the context.
The father seemed to be waiting for a reply.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:30 AM

6. Easy there

Watch who you're calling a gun nut. You must've missed the point of my post, which was about ANY news organization doing selective editing. Leaving out the part of the man asking a question (rhetorical or otherwise) to anyone within the sound of his voice, but including the rude response and portraying it as heckling is not a very credible thing to do. Agreed, we can argue whether it was heckling until the cows come home. My post is about selective editing. Nothing more, nothing less. Show the truthful context of what happened. The man asked a question and received a delayed and rude response (shouting over top of him). Was that heckling? Probably. But show us that he was receiving an answer to something he threw out there also.

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Response to CANDO (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:03 AM

2. Lawrence played the whole clip. Didn't see it during the day so I can't speak to that. n/t

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Response to winterpark (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:12 AM

5. Saw the whole clip on Martin Bashear yesterday.

So, I don't know how 'selective' their editing has been ...

I did think if it weren't heckling in the usual 'shout someone down sense' -- it was certainly a rude response to what was essentially a rhetorical question.

And, once again, the unbending, fanaticism of the gun fetishists works against them by making them look so insensitive and uncivil.

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Response to earthside (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:06 PM

12. thank you, eathside! I agree 100%. It was a rhetorical question by a man who was

probably in the worst depths of grief. What do you do with someone in that depth?

Well, you don't start a big discussion about the second amendment.

This was clearly an unfeeling, insensitive response to a man in intense pain over the loss of a child.

What is the matter with people who love guns so much? have you, at long last, no decency? To decently respect a parent's grief of a loss that they will NEVER get over all of their lives?

What if it happened to YOU?

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Response to CANDO (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:05 AM

3. Funny

I watched Lawrence on msnbc and saw the father asking the question. Then gun advocates started quoting the second amendment NOT answering his question, just giving their same old tired talking points.

What show were you watching? Because they were not offering answers.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:48 AM

8. I watched most of the evening lineup.

By that time, MSNBC was in damage control mode. I agree they weren't "answering" his question, but bad on MSNBC for originally editing out Mr. Heflin putting out the challenge for anyone to answer. Not receiving satisfactory answers to questions in a political context shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. I tune in to MSNBC because I trust that I'm getting the facts. And when I'm lied to, it makes me not trust that source. My point is don't selectively edit.

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Response to CANDO (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:16 PM

10. I find it difficult to believe your version of events

because that is not how it played out on Lawrence's show. I too don't like being lied to and you need to provide proof that an edited version played first. Because that is not what the majority of viewers saw.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:41 PM

11. The AP story about it was in my local newspaper.

http://sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/286742/MSNBC-criticized-for-editing-of-gun-hearing-video-.html?isap=1&nav=5021

The story claims that on Monday's Martin Bashir show is where the selective editing took place.
My concern is that this was picked up by the AP and now any time any of us on the left try to use MSNBC as a trustworthy source, that gets immediately shot down. We all know Faux does it all the time. I take pride in searching out facts and finding truth. And now MSNBC is seen as just another hack fake news outlet after stunts such as this one. As I said earlier, Lawrence was doing a fine job at damage control by examining the entire exchange and rightfully pointing out the rudeness with which this man got his answer, if you can call it that at all. Again, the whole point of this post is shame on anyone, especially MSNBC, for selective editing.

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Response to CANDO (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:38 AM

7. Go away, gun nut. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:52 AM

9. Not likely you little pest.

I see you've been here a whopping 7 days! I've been here 10+ years and you think calling me a gun nut somehow makes me afraid. Go onto the gun forums in this site and try to find me there. I'm not. Yet I'm a gun nut. That's some funny shit right there!

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Response to CANDO (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:15 PM

13. I think it was 50/50 rhetorical but in a sense he wanted an answer..

.. just not that insensitive answer.

You could see the pain in his whole being as he turned to see what the noise was, yes he acknowledge it but still..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:28 AM

14. That's the problem with asking a question--sometimes you get an answer

And often it's not the answer you wanted to get. But considering that the man was grieving and also probably very nervous to be speaking before such a large crowd, I can understand.

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Response to CANDO (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:58 AM

15. I've only seen one of the clips

And the person who yelled was out of line either way. I do agree the networks have to be very careful not to edit things to make them appear different. I still like MSNBC and have grown weary of CNN lately (unfortunately that is the only one I have access to in South Korea though).

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