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Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:41 PM

About that idiot who wants to be armed in case five intruders break into her house.

FIVE intruders? Really?

How many times has this happened?

How these instances compare stadistically to women being murdered with a weapon kept in the home used by a SO, husband, or even an intruder?

I wish someone had told her that

Just mind boggling

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Reply About that idiot who wants to be armed in case five intruders break into her house. (Original post)
lunamagica Jan 2013 OP
JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #1
tblue Jan 2013 #2
mokawanis Jan 2013 #3
raidert05 Jan 2013 #5
mokawanis Jan 2013 #8
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #4
Smilo Jan 2013 #27
The Blue Flower Jan 2013 #6
pauldemmd195j Jan 2013 #7
Mike Daniels Jan 2013 #9
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #35
Pakid Jan 2013 #10
SailorMike Jan 2013 #11
jenmito Jan 2013 #13
maxsolomon Jan 2013 #32
jenmito Jan 2013 #12
John2 Jan 2013 #16
jenmito Jan 2013 #17
lunamagica Jan 2013 #19
Lex Jan 2013 #14
CBHagman Jan 2013 #15
LiberalElite Jan 2013 #18
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #25
winter is coming Jan 2013 #34
odiumestpuritas Jan 2013 #20
lunatica Jan 2013 #21
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #26
jimmy the one Jan 2013 #22
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #23
Paladin Jan 2013 #24
Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #28
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #29
summerschild Jan 2013 #30
CBHagman Jan 2013 #33
hack89 Jan 2013 #31
mainer Jan 2013 #36
hack89 Jan 2013 #37

Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:43 PM

1. These people

Are just grasping at straws now.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:50 PM

2. She should live in a panic room.

If she's that fearful and if the world is that scary. She needs help, not a gun.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:53 PM

3. I bet she's never had an intruder in her home

if so, wouldn't she have included that in her testimony? Why doesn't she demand the right to own a bazooka and a flame-thrower while she's at it? You know, in case 75 or 100 violent criminals attack her family.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:02 PM

5. What

 

If she had said that or what if she actually has a flame-thrower?

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Response to raidert05 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:17 PM

8. Then

it would strengthen my opinion that she's unrealistic and that she's a dangerous gun nut who might end up accidentally injuring or killing her own kid(s).

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:00 PM

4. Is that the one that testify today at the hearing? Gayle Trotter?

I didn't hear everything she said. If she did ---

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:52 AM

27. Yep - pro gun, but anti the VAWA.

Stupid cow.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:05 PM

6. Her testimony was an utterly ridiculous waste of time

She claimed to be speaking for women. It was beyond insane.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:09 PM

7. She's a paranoid nut

 

People like her should be kept as far away from a gun as possible. They need mental help.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:42 PM

9. If you have five intruders you've probably done something to deserve it

i.e. you've pissed off the wrong people in a drug deal or the intruders are of the LEO variety.

Because mobs of people invading a random house is just your run of the mill daily event.

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Response to Mike Daniels (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:14 PM

35. Wow I do not see how you can draw that conclusion.

I think the "five intruders" is a stupid argument for gun rights but have you ever heard of "home invasions"? They are rare, yes, that is why I say it is a stupid argument, but they do happen, and you can't assume that the victim "deserves it."

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:36 PM

10. Maybe this just her own personal fantasy

after all we all have are dream some are just a lot sicker then others

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:16 PM

11. I don't see a link..

 

so I don't know the story.

And I don't know where you or she lives, but in the Atlanta metro area, it just is not uncommon for a home invasion to have three or more bad guys.

And those being robbed ARE NOT drug dealers. They are jewelry store owners, diamond couriers and coin dealers, or vending machine owners with a lot of cash on hand.

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Response to SailorMike (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:36 PM

13. She made up a scenario. She didn't have even one real-life example to speak of. n/t

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Response to SailorMike (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:01 PM

32. So... are they home invasions or store robberies?

When I was a lowly barista, I took the day's cash directly to a bank across the street immediately after closing.

I would think diamond couriers practice greater equal or greater discipline regarding taking valuables or cash home.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:23 PM

12. She was just annihilated by Lawrence O'Donnell on this very subject (and exposing her as a RWer when

she claimed to be an Independent).

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Response to jenmito (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:52 PM

16. O'Donnell just did

 

what that trumped up hearing should have did. The pundits wouldn't even let you hear the questiioning but from the little bit I did hear, they only got softball questions. I thought all the examples by the gun nuts were just pathetic. The first pathetic diatribe was a rant from Senator Grassley about mental illness and video games. His peers just let him rant on without challenging his pathetic logic. It was an insult to anybody that have half an education. ODonnell should have been on the panel.

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Response to John2 (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:58 PM

17. Yup...

here's a link from tonight's show which explains what happened today with her: http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/30/guns-make-women-safer-says-gayle-trotter-at-senate-hearing/

I couldn't stand how Grassley went on and on with his BS and got away with it.

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Response to John2 (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:25 AM

19. I just saw that on the re airing of his show. He was wonderful!!!!

I was so angry when I saw her earlier today I was almost shaking....but he chewed her up and spat her out using her own stupidity

Oh, Lawrence, Laurence, I LOVE you!!!

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:40 PM

14. Typical gun fantasies of these people.

They are disturbed.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:40 PM

15. What Gayle Trotter did was more odious than fantasizing.

First, for those of you who weren't able to follow the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing on gun violence, the OP is referring to testimony by Gayle Trotter, who is with the Richard Mellon Scaife-financed Independent Women's Forum (See link below).

To cut to the chase here, Trotter basically sang the praises of the AR-15 rifle, which was of course used to kill 20 children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14th, 2012. The owner of the gun, Nancy Lanza, was also shot multiple times.

She used as justification for her position the image of a young mother using the rifle to protect her terrified babies from three, four, or five attackers. But of course the AR-15 was the means of Nancy Lanza's death, not her rescue, and a source of terror for the faculty and children at Sandy Hook.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/how-nra-uses-women-human-shields/61588/

Women like the AR-15 because "they're light, they're easy to hold, and most importantly, their appearance," Trotter said. The rifle is intimidating, she said, and then appeared to riff on a hypothetical home invasion in which one would be necessary. "Three, four, five violent intruders in her home -- with her children screaming in the background -- the peace of mind that comes with a scary looking gun…gives her more courage when she's fighting hardened, violent criminals." Trotter said. "I speak on behalf of millions of american women who urge you to defend our Second Amendment right to choose to defend ourselves."

The Independent Women's Forum:

http://www.iwf.org/


http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/officials-adam-lanza-shot-way-into-sandy-hook-elementary-1.4339051

But Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance said he was confident questions about the second-worst school shooting in the United States would ultimately be answered.

He said all of the victims at the school, including 20 first-graders and six adults, were shot with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle and that "numerous" magazines were emptied at the scene. Lanza, a quiet young man described as developmentally disabled and who struggled socially, had hundreds of bullets that went unused, Vance said.

"There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips," he said. "Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved" by first responders approaching the school.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/nancy-lanza-mother-of-gunman-private-home-life_n_2313027.html

All three of the guns that Adam Lanza carried into Sandy Hook Elementary were owned and registered by his mother – a pair of handguns and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, his primary weapon.

(SNIP)

Marsha Lanza told the Chicago Sun-Times that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. "She prepared for the worst," Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. "I didn't know that they (the guns) would be used on her."

Guns were her hobby," Dan Holmes, who got to know Lanza while doing landscaping work for her, told The Washington Post. "She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting."

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:59 PM

18. Five? What if only four show up? nt

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:49 AM

25. I had SIX one time...

Granted, it was Thanksgiving and these were my in-laws but they were really scary.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:05 PM

34. I'm disappointed in you.

I was expecting a picture of puppies or kittens.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:53 AM

20. People this paranoid should not be allowed to have guns however

 

I think many worked agree that is not going to happen.
Yes it is justified to be worried about the probability of a home invasion happening that is normal, even wanting to get a gun to defend yourself from the possibility is normal if it is a frequent occurrence in your area. This woman is way past normal or healthy in her paranoia
With that being said a shot gun would be more then adequate and easier to use in an home invasion situation then a AR15, AK or even a handgun. Things would happen so fast for most people the invaders would take the AR/AK from you before you even fired a single shot.
We as a people really need to amend the second, bring it up to date so to speak, if we want a real solution. Nobody wants to take away hunting and target guns; I don’t think most people have a problem with pump and bolt action guns either but we need to keep guns away from those that should not own them and regulate everyone that owns a gun.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:03 AM

21. Those five violent intruders were made of straw

So is the assault weapon wielding mother on steroids defending her babies.

It's a great picture for a comic book cover though.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:50 AM

26. She could defend herself with a lighter (nt)

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:38 AM

22. Shooting Mom-bos, women in combat

luna: About that idiot who wants to be armed in case five intruders break into her house

.. just another specious gunnut reason to justify their extremes, wayne's world. She's turning the scene into a rambo movie, like women in combat, Shooting Mom-bos.
With 5 screaming children in the background, wouldn't a normal mother check to see what they're screaming about? if the invaders are already in the 'living room' and the children are screaming, it would not be wise to start shooting where if they return fire they might hit the kids, or ricochets go wild from all guns.
.. if kids are in a bedroom or removed, a normal mother would check on them after complying with the invaders, the presumption should be that they just want money or valuables, not killing.
If they're intent on killing 5 to one odds is a losing scenario for the mother, even armed with an automatic.

Compliance is the better policy in this, burglar robbers are intent on just money & goods 99% the time, pretty good odds of survial if you comply, & not really improved that much if you become a shooting mombo.

somebody wrote: With that being said a shot gun would be more then adequate and easier to use in an home invasion situation then a AR15, AK or even a handgun. Things would happen so fast for most people the invaders would take the AR/AK from you before you even fired a single shot.

Concur; If mom was lucky they would take it before she fired a shot, cause if she hit or killed one of them, the reprisal would likely be the worse case scenario, leaving the kids mom-less.
Compliance is not a bad word, & would work 99 times of 100.
Start blasting away, just to save a tv set or stereo? Teach the kids to jump out the windows & run for help, or hide in the attic.




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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:45 AM

23. What country does she think she's living in?

IMHO if you seriously have to worry about such a scenario, you need to immediately re-evaluate your living conditions, your neighborhood, and/or profession. It sounds like she's certifiably delusional, watched too many (violent) movies, and/or played too many (violent) videogames.


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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:53 AM

24. Wishful Thinking By Yet Another Gun Extremist. (nt)

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:31 PM

28. 5 intruders...please. Now zombies...

that's what you really got to be afraid of!

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:33 PM

29. She looked like a nice, sweet, pampered well to do suburban mom

until she opened her mouth and crazy fell out.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:50 PM

30. That woman is a paid shill.

She may or may not believe a word she said; she's spouting the paranoia the NRA chooses to spread.

The Independent Womens Forum is just another rightwing organization, supported by the usual array of rightwing sponsors including the Sarah Scaife and Richard Mellon Scaife foundations (remember the Arkansas Project?) and she works for them.

See http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Independent_Women%27s_Forum

Some of their other noble efforts include killing the Violence Against Women Act and banning climate change science in schools.

They were founded in 1992, and the Independent Women's Forum grew out of the ad hoc group, Women for Judge Thomas.

Her testimony was even ravaged by comments on their own website article about the Congressional hearing and Lawrence O'Donnell's confrontation. http://www.iwf.org/blog/2790441/Shut-Up,-They-Explained

So she doesn't speak for women or for children. I'm sure she was paid handsomely for looking stupid.

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Response to summerschild (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

33. Thanks for the additional info.

I hadn't checked the feedback yet...

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:51 PM

31. When you google "home invasion five suspects" you get a bunch of results

https://www.google.com/search?q=home+invasion+five+suspects&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

Not saying it is common but it is not unheard of.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:17 PM

36. Not as common as "accidentally shoots brother/sister/mother/father"

in the headline.

It's like being afraid of the one black swan when you're under attack by white swans.

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Response to mainer (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:22 PM

37. Never said it was. nt

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