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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:15 PM

Filibuster Reform Ends With A Whimper: How It Fell Apart

How did it all fall apart?
According to conversations with pro-reform Democratic aides, party leadership sources and outside opponents of the filibuster, Reid’s main goal was ultimately not to weaken the 60-vote threshold that reformers desperately wanted to change. Instead his objective was to eliminate mandatory gaps between votes in order to move legislation and nominees that have cleared a filibuster more quickly — which he achieved.
For reformers, the beginning of the end was Thursday of last week.

One outside pro-reform source told TPM that Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) called him that day to say that despite all his efforts, the “talking filibuster” proposal he championed was essentially dead — that Democratic leadership relayed to him that it didn’t have the votes.
At that point, reformers knew their best hope was that Reid’s negotiations with McConnell would fall apart and he would move forward with still-substantial changes that would have flipped the burden from a majority seeking to advance legislation and nominees to a minority seeking to filibuster them. Reid expressed support for that approach in mid-January.

In hindsight, proponents of reform inside and outside the Senate doubt that Reid was ever willing to use the constitutional option to change the filibuster with 51 votes, despite his claims, and believe he used the threat to gain leverage over McConnell.
“I especially got that sense over the weekend when I had a conversation with Schumer on Sunday and kept asking him about the constitutional option,” the outside source said. “He got emphatic and said, ‘Harry’s reticent to do it.’ He said that twice and poked me in the chest.”
On Tuesday, Merkley tried to nudge the majority leader in that direction. It didn’t work. Democratic leadership aides leaked that Reid called out Merkley during a conference meeting for violating the trust of senators by naming names to outside activists.
By Wednesday night, the deal between Reid and McConnell was all but done. On Thursday morning, it was final.
A Democratic leadership aide told TPM that “whether you wanted more or not, Reid got virtually everything he has said he wanted.” The aide pointed to examples of the majority leader saying his goal was to make the Senate operate more efficiently.

Reformers in and out of the Senate believe that Reid tapped into their enthusiasm to advance his goal. “Reid said he wants to make it easier to move on bills,” said a pro-reform aide. “This doesn’t do that. He still has to negotiate with McConnell to get on a bill. It’s a negligible difference to how the Senate operates today.”
The outside reform source accused Reid of “a total 180 reversal.”
“Everything we were seeing led us to believe … that he was very serious about including ,” the source said. “But that all hinged on him using the constitutional option, which I don’t think he ever really intended to do.”


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octoberlib Jan 2013 OP
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RedstDem Jan 2013 #2
earthside Jan 2013 #3
ewagner Jan 2013 #4
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grasswire Jan 2013 #6
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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:23 PM

1. Why the hell can't we know who's for and against things?

On Tuesday, Merkley tried to nudge the majority leader in that direction. It didn’t work. Democratic leadership aides leaked that Reid called out Merkley during a conference meeting for violating the trust of senators by naming names to outside activists.
I'm glad Merkley leaked names. Doing business this way is as bad as the "silent" filibuster is.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:27 PM

2. ha ha

never expected anything more...
shame on those who thought "this time is different"
don't you get it yet?..lol

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:29 PM

3. And THAT is why folks are going after Reid ...

... and not the other reluctant Senators.

Reid is a prime example of a guy who has been in office way too long. He is a total creature of the institution and has apparently forgotten that he is there to serve and represent the people.

Some Senators and Representatives are able to keep their feet on the ground with the people even with long tenures, but some, like Reid, think that maintaining the establishment status quo is more important than even promoting essential democracy.



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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:37 PM

4. This really angers me...



" Reid’s main goal was ultimately not to weaken the 60-vote threshold that reformers desperately wanted to change."



"In hindsight, proponents of reform inside and outside the Senate doubt that Reid was ever willing to use the constitutional option to change the filibuster with 51 votes, despite his claims, and believe he used the threat to gain leverage over McConnell. "

Everything we were seeing led us to believe … that he was very serious about including ,” the source said. “But that all hinged on him using the constitutional option, which I don’t think he ever really intended to do.”

What upset me the most is that Reid is living in a Senate that no longer exists...the Republicans in the Senate are not "principled" men dedicated to the nation's well-being...their f-ing idealogues who will destroy the country for the sake of their party.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:44 PM

5. What a disappointment!! This country needed the talking filibuster back. Thanks alot Dems!!!

What the hell was the election of keeping the senate for if not to bring the talking filibuster back and try to end this obstructionism?? Let's see how this "experiment" works and if it doesn't help in bringing bills to the floor faster then out with harry. Who should replace him?? Brown, Schumer, Boxer?? Any other suggestions??

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:02 PM

6. Here's the precise betrayal by Reid:

"Reformers in and out of the Senate believe that Reid tapped into their enthusiasm to advance his goal."

That is the precise point of betrayal.

And this is why Democrats can't trust Reid. He played us all.

HE PLAYED US ALL.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:27 PM

7. AND THAT IS WHY HARRY SHOULD LEAVE

HE DIDN'T JUST PLAY US... he lied to the president and the nation

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:42 PM

8. yes nt

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