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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:37 PM

Reid caves on filibuster reform

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/24/harry-reid-explains-why-he-killed-filibuster-reform/

i dont get it at all. i was trying to figure out WHAT REID DID AGREE TO and it appears even more complicated than what we have now. all these guys in the senate, democrats and republicans are all good buddys in their little private club. we had a chance to make the senate work, and reid crapped on us.

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mgcgulfcoast Jan 2013 OP
samrock Jan 2013 #1
mgcgulfcoast Jan 2013 #4
forestpath Jan 2013 #11
elleng Jan 2013 #2
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #3
otohara Jan 2013 #5
mgcgulfcoast Jan 2013 #6
hedda_foil Jan 2013 #7
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #8
davidpdx Jan 2013 #9
Purveyor Jan 2013 #12
davidpdx Jan 2013 #19
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #10
mgcgulfcoast Jan 2013 #16
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #17
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #18
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #20
bigwillq Jan 2013 #13
Blue Idaho Jan 2013 #14
Third Doctor Jan 2013 #15
Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #21
bemildred Jan 2013 #23
Cha Jan 2013 #22
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #24

Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:42 PM

1. I never had a doubt he would..

Money/power protect their own

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Response to samrock (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:43 PM

4. yep

they are all a bunch of fat cats living the good life.

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Response to samrock (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:33 PM

11. +1

 

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:42 PM

2. WTF!!!!

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:43 PM

3. +597

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:44 PM

5. Back to Gridlock And Failure

WTG Dems

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Response to otohara (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:46 PM

6. yep

nothing will get done.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:01 PM

7. I tried to believe that Harry would allow filibuster reform to proceed.

I really hate feeling both terribly disappointed and totally unsurprised again. Does he actually believe for a moment that McYertle won't use the same rationale to totally shut out the Dems the instant they have even the smallest majority again?

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:13 PM

8. Dont blame Sen Reid. He was elected to lead the Democrats. He represents them. Apparently

the Democrats as a party didnt want to fix the log jam.

On edit: Your title should be, "Democrats Cave on Filibuster Reform"

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:18 PM

9. I'm not defending Reid

But it sounds like he didn't have the votes. Too many senators were sitting on the sidelines saying "let's see what happens".

We should start calling them the Ant-filibuster 7.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:43 PM

12. Then he should have still put it to vote and failed that way so we would have 'names'. eom

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:21 AM

19. I agree

He's covering for them so they won't have to decide. I know people aren't going to like it, but I will bring this up when any of these seven are up for reelection

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:21 PM

10. There are 53 Democrats and 2 Independents.

Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:23 AM - Edit history (1)

So that means 5 Democrats/Independents were willing to vote with the REpublicans to keep the status quo. Shameful.

Edited to correct numbers of Dems in the Senate.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:30 PM

16. i think the senate is 55-45 right now.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:56 PM

17. I stand corrected. nm

Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:25 AM - Edit history (1)

Edited to remove bum dope. My error.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:58 PM

18. Are you joking right now?



You might have missed that whole thing where Scott brown ran against Martha Coakley for Kennedy's seat, and then Scott Brown won, and then Elizabeth Warren ran against him in the 2012 election, and Elizabeth Warren won the seat?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:24 AM

20. Sorry I got all confused whose seat was whose. nm

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:54 PM

13. Is this really a surprise?

Reid needs to step down as Leader.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:40 PM

14. Spineless Weasels

They do not deserve the responsibility and power they have been given. They use their office strictly for paycheck protection - their paycheck protection.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:53 PM

15. How many of these that would not support this

are blue dog dems in red states? I think we should take one page out of the teabagger book and start primaries for people that don't stand up for what they just ran on. We can kiss a lot of we just fought for goodbye.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:03 PM

21. The problem is that these people love their power

And the way that the rules are set up now, individual Senators have a tremendous amount of power. So much so that the institution has become completely dysfunctional.

I think that the rule that you need 41 votes to sustain a filibuster rather than 60 to stop one was a good start, even if you don't need to talk endlessly. I'm also 100% fine with McConnell's demands that the minority be allowed to offer germane amendments on the floor.

But you shouldn't be able to indefinitely be able to thwart majority rule without at least putting some skin in the game. Furthermore, you shouldn't be able to filibuster nominees for agency directors or boards for the sole purpose of trying to make sure that that agency or board is legally unable to function.

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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:37 AM

23. +1. nt

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:55 PM

22. Senator Sanders said he only had 47 Votes.. So how is that CAVING?

"Caving" is way over used. It would be accurate if there were some facts behind it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251280680

And, no Reid didn't crap on you.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:51 AM

24. The less mentally stable of the GOP in the Senate will take pride in obstruction

 

and how much they can do it, the GOP base would rather see that nothing gets done.

In thier own words they want to punsih the takers for voting for Obama.

The more the GOP Obstructs the more the base loves them.

We are not dealing with rational beings.



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