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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:10 AM

Could you imagine what election night (11/6) would have been like if that EV split was in effect?

It would have gone something like:

"NBC News now projects President Obama will win PA over Mitt Romney, yet Mr Romney will receive 12 of the states 20 electoral votes even though Obama has won the state overall"..

"NBC News now projects President Obama will win MI over Mitt Romney, yet Mr Romney will receive 8 of the states 16 electoral votes even though Obama has won the state overall"..

"NBC News now projects President Obama will win WI. over Mitt Romney, yet Mr Romney will receive 4 of the states 10 electoral votes even though Obama has won the state overall"..

Something really f-ing wrong with this, but this COULD actually happen in 2016 if only blue states split their electoral votes and no red ones do....

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Reply Could you imagine what election night (11/6) would have been like if that EV split was in effect? (Original post)
Hawaii Hiker Jan 2013 OP
Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #1
earthside Jan 2013 #2
Filibuster Harry Jan 2013 #3
Hawaii Hiker Jan 2013 #6
BlueDemKev Jan 2013 #8
Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #4
former9thward Jan 2013 #5
Cosmocat Jan 2013 #7
BlueDemKev Jan 2013 #9
former9thward Jan 2013 #12
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #13
BlueDemKev Jan 2013 #15
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #10
Stardust Jan 2013 #16
NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #11
SpartanDem Jan 2013 #14
Stardust Jan 2013 #17
Johnny2X2X Jan 2013 #18

Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:31 AM

1. Even if red states split as well.

 

The way the House is gerrymandered, Romney would have won even if every state was split.

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:39 AM

2. A Disaster

According to Jon Nichols:

Under the most commonly proposed district plan (the statewide winner gets two votes with the rest divided by congressional district), Obama would have secured the narrowest possible win: 270-268. Under more aggressive plans (including one that awards electoral votes by district and then gives the two statewide votes to the candidate who won the most districts), Romney would have won 280-258.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/opinion/column/john_nichols/john-nichols-republicans-scheming-to-win-even-if-they-lose/article_a561f07c-64c0-11e2-8cf5-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz2IoTusedp


Imagine ... Obama/Biden winning the popular vote by 5 million ballots and losing the electoral college under a clearly rigged system.

This scheme by the Repuglicans needs to be batted down severely!
If this was adopted we would have presidential election after presidential election where the popular vote winner loses the presidency --- we would have a revolution for sure (and should).

Just like the present filibuster rule in the U.S. Senate, the Repuglicans seem to want a tyranny of the minority.

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Response to earthside (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:56 AM

3. 100% on spot. They are looking for any and every way to win the 2016 election. These ways

assure them of winning even if they go farther (if possible) to the right of where they are now.
And people better beware because if they are able to take the white house, house, and senate they will put this country backwards. They will stiff all but the rich and Rand Paul's quote of "king" will fit them. They will get rid of the Affordable Health Care Act, Social Security, Earned Income Credits, reduce the taxes on the rich, eliminate estate tax and capital gains tax, etc. They will starve the beast. BEWARE!!!

So let's drop the electoral college and go popular vote.

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Response to Filibuster Harry (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:26 PM

6. Yeah, i'm tihnking same way - popular vote is better

Years ago i was unsure if i wanted to abandon electoral college, but after seeing at what lengths the repubs will go to rig the election, i think a change is needed..

Now i think having the national popular vote is the way to go...It would actually make the bigger states like CA, NY, TX, which aren't comeptitive now in the electoral sense, but could become significant in a popular vote total....

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Response to earthside (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:22 PM

8. Don't bash the filibuster right now...

...as it may be our ONLY chance of stopping this electoral vote scheme in State Senates of PA, OH, MI, WI, and FL.

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:13 PM

4. President Romney.

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:17 PM

5. It is hard to predict.

Both candidates would have run completely different campaigns. They would have concentrated on swing congressional districts in all 50 states.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:36 PM

7. There were democratic opponents

in most of these congressional districts, most often better people than the jackwagon Rs who won. But, the R won because of the gerrymandering.

Barrack Obama could have campaigned the entire election and put every cent he had into our district, and he would not have won it.

There really are not a lot of "swing" districts at this point.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:25 PM

9. What "swing" districts???

There are hardly any left after Republicans redrew the district maps following their victories in 2010. Virtually every district is now either a conservative rural area, or a liberal urban area.

We have only ourselves to blame for not getting our base out to vote in the 2010 midterm elections. We can NEVER make that mistake again.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 07:17 PM

12. Out of 435 there are about 70-80 swing districts.

Both parties pour money into them. The swing districts are mainly suburban areas.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 07:58 PM

13. Fewer than that

If you define a 'swing state' as one that either candidate won by a margin of less than 7% this time, there were 10 swing states - from North Carolina to Wisconsin (next state on either side was Georgia and Minnesota). Use the same margin for congressional seats, and there were 40. To get 73 House seats as 'marginal', you have to increase the margin to 12% (that would have in included Paul Ryan's seat, which certainly would have been sweet to win). By that criterion, you'd call Mississippi and New Mexico marginal states, and there would be 19 in all.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:27 PM

15. So less than 1 in 5 seats is considered a "swing" seat?

That's pathetic. It leaves little room for compromise on anything.

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:27 PM

10. There probably would had been violent uprisings geared toward Republican legislators and leaders.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:41 PM

16. Hah! 'Fraid those days are gone...nt

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:41 PM

11. 2016 US Presidential Election if Republicans have their way.

FL
Republican wins FL-1,FL-2,FL-3,FL-4,FL-6,FL-7,FL-8,FL-10,FL-11,FL-12,FL-15,FL-16,FL-17,FL-18,FL-19,and FL-25=16ev
Democrat wins FL-5,FL-9,FL-14,FL-20,FL-21,FL-22,FL-23,FL-24,FL-26,and FL-27=10ev
Tossup=FL-13 and Statewide=3ev
IA
Democrats win IA-1,IA-2 and Statewide=4ev(14ev)
Republicans win IA-4=1ev(17ev)
Tossup=IA-3=1ev(4ev)
MI
Democrats win MI-5,MI-9,MI-12,MI-13,MI-14 and Statewide=7ev(21ev)
Republicans win MI-1,MI-2,MI-3,MI-4,MI-6,MI-7,MI-8,MI-10,and MI-11=9ev(26ev)
OH
Democrats win OH-3,OH-9,OH-11,and OH-13=4ev(25ev)
Republicans win OH-1,OH-2,OH-4,OH-5,OH-6,OH-7,OH-8,OH-10,OH-12,OH-14,OH-15,and OH-16=12ev(38ev)
Tossup=Statewide=2ev(6ev)
PA
Democrats win PA-1,PA-2,PA-13,PA-14,PA-17,and Statewide=7ev(32ev)
Republicans win PA-3,PA-4,PA-5,PA-6,PA-7,PA-8,PA-9,PA-10,PA-11,PA-12,PA-15,PA-16,and PA-18=13ev(51ev)
VA
Democrats win VA-3,VA-8,and VA-11=3ev(35ev)
Republicans win VA-1,VA-4,VA-5,VA-6,VA-7,VA-9,and VA-10=7ev(58ev)
Tossup=VA-2 and Statewide=3ev(9ev)
WI
Democrats win WI-2,WI-3,WI-4,and Statewide=5ev(40ev)
Republicans win WI-1,WI-5,WI-6,WI-7,and WI-8=5ev(63ev)

Democrats win CA-55,CO-9,CT-7,DE-3,DC-3,HI-4,IL-20,ME-4,MD-10,MA-11,MN-10,NV-6,NH-4,NJ-14,NM-5,NY-29,OR-7,RI-4,VT-3,and WA-12=220ev
Republicans win AL-9,AK-3,AZ-11,AR-6,GA-16,ID-4,IN-11,KS-6,KY-8,LA-8,MS-6,MO-10,MT-3,NE-5,NC-15,ND-3,OK-7,SC-9,SD-3,TN-11,TX-38,UT-6,WV-5,and WY-3=206ev

Democrats have 260ev
Republicans have 269ev
Democrats need to win FL-13 and Statewide,IA-3,OH Statewide,VA-2 and Statewide plus
Philidelphia suburban Congressional Districts(PA-6,PA-7,and PA-8), and VA-4 and VA-10, FL-25
Democrats could win the popular vote in NC-15 (proportional representation-Democrats win NC-1,NC-4,and NC-12).

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:28 PM

14. These right wingers love blathering about revolution.

what do think going to happen if the popular vote winner loses the election? Do they think we would just peacefully accept stealing an election?

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:48 PM

17. Were you here during 2000 and 2004??? The first one was outright stolen

from us thanks to the Supreme Court and Katherine Harris. And if truth be known, 2004 was stolen thanks to Ohio and Ken Blackwell. These aren't conspiracy theories, they're facts.

Millions knew the score back then yet there was no uprising or even investigations.

This is an indictment against the vast majority of the American people who've gotten exactly what they deserve.

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:00 AM

18. Help

What can be done to stop this? They already have their messaging circulating to justify this. "You're vote won't count for nothing now if your candidate didn't win your state, they'll still ge a portion of the EVs." Doing it by Congressional Districts is not even necessary, they'll do it by %vote equals % of EVs.

All the Republicans have to do is have a few key Dem states split their EVs and they will have shifted the landscape in their favor tremendously. Think VA, PA, WI, OH. IF the best a Dem candidate could do was a little more than half the electoral votes of these states it would be a very tough road to victory. Of course Red states would all still be winner take all.

What is being done to stop this? Can it be stopped?

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