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Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:44 PM

John Lewis to Rush, who suggested they wouldn't have needed Selma if they'd had guns.

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Rush:

"If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma?" He continued, "If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge?"

Rep. Lewis:

"Our goal in the Civil Rights Movement was not to injure or destroy but to build a sense of community, to reconcile people to the true oneness of all humanity," said Rep. John Lewis. "African Americans in the 60s could have chosen to arm themselves, but we made a conscious decision not to. We were convinced that peace could not be achieved through violence. Violence begets violence, and we believed the only way to achieve peaceful ends was through peaceful means. We took a stand against an unjust system, and we decided to use this faith as our shield and the power of compassion as our defense.

"And that is why this nation celebrates the genius and the elegance of Martin Luther King Jr.'s work and philosophy. Through the power of non-violent action, Dr. King accomplished something that no movement, no action of government, no war, no legislation, or strategy of politics had ever achieved in this nation's history. It was non-violence that not only brought an end to legalized segregation and racial discrimination, but Dr. King's peaceful work changed the hearts of millions of Americans who stood up for justice and rejected the injury of violence forever."

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Reply John Lewis to Rush, who suggested they wouldn't have needed Selma if they'd had guns. (Original post)
AAO Jan 2013 OP
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #1
enough Jan 2013 #9
MBS Jan 2013 #44
Historic NY Jan 2013 #2
freshwest Jan 2013 #14
90-percent Jan 2013 #19
freshwest Jan 2013 #20
azureblue Jan 2013 #27
FarPoint Jan 2013 #26
freshwest Jan 2013 #33
FarPoint Jan 2013 #36
Plucketeer Jan 2013 #75
Gregorian Jan 2013 #3
AAO Jan 2013 #4
immoderate Jan 2013 #5
Hoyt Jan 2013 #6
freshwest Jan 2013 #13
kimbutgar Jan 2013 #7
JohnnyLib2 Jan 2013 #8
AAO Jan 2013 #10
erpowers Jan 2013 #11
AAO Jan 2013 #12
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #84
99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #15
jtuck004 Jan 2013 #16
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #56
AlbertCat Jan 2013 #17
Pholus Jan 2013 #52
AlbertCat Jan 2013 #67
Pholus Jan 2013 #68
another_liberal Jan 2013 #18
me b zola Jan 2013 #21
Ilsa Jan 2013 #22
supercats Jan 2013 #23
samsingh Jan 2013 #24
another_liberal Jan 2013 #47
samsingh Jan 2013 #71
AlbertCat Jan 2013 #73
AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2013 #25
still_one Jan 2013 #28
SCVDem Jan 2013 #29
nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #51
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #60
Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #30
cer7711 Jan 2013 #31
UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #32
Rider3 Jan 2013 #37
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #34
Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #35
freshwest Jan 2013 #38
AAO Jan 2013 #39
Pharaoh Jan 2013 #40
freshwest Jan 2013 #41
Sunlei Jan 2013 #42
AAO Jan 2013 #43
Rhiannon12866 Jan 2013 #45
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surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #50
catbyte Jan 2013 #53
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FourScore Jan 2013 #55
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NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #59
proReality Jan 2013 #61
AAO Jan 2013 #63
workinclasszero Jan 2013 #64
AAO Jan 2013 #65
Andy Stanton Jan 2013 #66
olegramps Jan 2013 #69
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DallasNE Jan 2013 #76
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #77
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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:48 PM

1. K&R for a great man

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:17 PM

9. +1 (nt)

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:04 PM

44. He really is a great - and good - man.

It's people like him who give me real hope for the country.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:51 PM

2. Rush is just ignorant... K&R

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:48 PM

14. He thrives on hate and division. He's a coward and bully, not worth the time. Good retort from Lewis

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:15 PM

19. "He thrives on hate and division"

Rush also earns $80,000 a day fomenting such rage and division.

He's spewing what his corporate master's want him to do, which doesn't say much for the humanity of his masters.

-90% Jimmy

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Response to 90-percent (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:18 PM

20. He is paid the coinage his masters value. He is a miserable person for doing it.

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Response to 90-percent (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:54 PM

27. and just plain

stupidity...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:49 PM

26. Rush is the dark negative of what we all represent.

The worse he is...the better we become. He makes it so very clear where we need to go.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:31 PM

33. Good point. The GOP's insane clown circus helped, too.

Obama said he trusted in the goodness and decency of the American people. That's where we need to go, forward into the light, doing what needs to be done. This nation has a lot of dark history to overcome and it will be a good thing.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:39 PM

36. Rush savors the outage reaction...he thrives upon it, he needs outrage to survive.

I will not give him the energy.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:24 PM

75. Rush has to devise ever more corrosive spew

to keep his faithful attuned. It's just words - not even HIS, I'd bet. But words he has to say to maintain his lifestyle. He's a Punch & Judy show starring bigotry - he's what results when an ill-mouthed puppet operates with multiple hands up it's ass.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:51 PM

3. That's too obvious for someone as obtuse as Big Mouth.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:54 PM

4. And he has no shame, so this won't have any affect.

But it sure was a great comeback anyway!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:55 PM

5. ** THAT **

...is very well put.

--imm

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:56 PM

6. Representative Lewis' thoughts just kicked rushbo's bigoted ass.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:45 PM

13. John Lewis is a wise and compassionate person. The BFI is incapable of understanding his words.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:05 PM

7. 3-2-1 rush will be attacking Rep. Lewis next

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:07 PM

8. Good for him!


Recommended

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:33 PM

10. I edited the OP to add Limpballs comments...

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:34 PM

11. If African-Americans Had Used Guns

African-Americans using guns during the civil rights movement would have set the movement back. If African-Americans had used guns a number of people would have claimed they were just a bunch of thugs who wanted to hurt people. Because African-Americans did not use guns people instead said these people are being beaten and jailed just because they are seeking the right to vote.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:36 PM

12. Rush only WISHES they'd used guns. The movement would have been crushed in it's cradle.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:05 AM

84. There would had been total chaos with riots and many dead.

What is the likelihood that it would had impacted his home directly maybe at a minimum his parent's home destroyed?

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:48 PM

15. Rush needs to brush-up on his Black Panther history

When black DID arm themselves, they got "taken out" in the middle
of the night by FBI swat teams and murdered in their beds.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:54 PM

16. +1 n/t

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:07 AM

56. As if any truth of history has any effect on what Lush Slimeball and his minions believe and preach.

It's a very disturbing thing to remember that millions of Americans admire such a disgusting specimen.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:00 PM

17. Rush can't even spell "Satyagraha"....

.... much less know what it is.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:38 PM

52. Over in RKBA they say Ghandi would have failed


except that the British displayed benevolence in not violently suppressing its own population. Their conclusion is that the only way to effect change against tyranny is at gunpoint.

That Rush is saying the same things today is unsurprising I suppose.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:26 AM

67. Ghandi would have failed

Both times? In South Africa AND India decades later?

Sure...whatever...

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:34 AM

68. When your only tool is a hammer....

every problem looks like a nail, right?

For some reason they're insecure about the fact that nonviolent resistance can effect meaningful change.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:07 PM

18. Moses in a rowboat!

Limbaugh is definitely: "King of Trolls!"

I have to go take a long walk.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:21 PM

21. Recommended

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:26 PM

22. Rush et al will never learn. They think threats and violence are the answer. nt

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:35 PM

23. Elegantly Stated....

Congradulations Rep. Lewis for not only replying to Limbaugh with an elegant explanation of the civil rights movement from your first hand perspective, but you also did it with the forsigjt of not buying into his goading anger.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:38 PM

24. rush should go back to heavy drug use

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Response to samsingh (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:52 PM

47. Go back?

What makes you think he ever quit? He paid no real price for his doctor-shopping and coercing employees to get drugs for him. Why should he have thought he needed to quit?

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:40 AM

71. that's a good point.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

73. Why should he have thought he needed to quit?

He went deaf?


Well, they fixed that too, didn't they?

Take a handful more Rushbo! If you go deaf again, sure they can fix it.....again


How much friggin' Oxy does one have to take to go deaf?!?!?!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:38 PM

25. Rep. Lewis is a great man, who is patiently schooling a bigot / bully. Amazing that

the racist Limbaugh is giving advice to the civil rights movement - go figure.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:58 PM

28. The whole movement was based on nonviolence. How out of touch the

Republicans are is demonstrated day in and day out by their comments


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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:19 PM

29. History would have recorded it as

The Selma Massacre!

Any excuse to kill blacks would work just fine.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:34 PM

51. No kidding.

If they had guns, there would have be A LOT more dead people, Lewis included.

How utterly clueless. Reminds me of Jon Stewart's response to the same type of claim. If only the Jews in Germany had guns... He pointed out that it took many nation's entire armies to bring down Hitler. It just victimizes the victims again, implying that they are somehow at fault for being victims of violence.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:11 AM

60. you're right

it would have been national guard troops with tanks, machine guns and helicopters against black men with handguns and hunting rifles.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:24 PM

30. The GOP lacks in achievements so Rush has nothing to brag about. Rush and Hannity

Sound like substance abusers, repeat something over and over, trying to convince themselves if they say something 50 times it will sound better and their worshipers just might understand. They would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:28 PM

31. "Compare & Contrast" as the English Teachers Say

I've nothing further to add except--Wow!--could the difference between these two men be drawn any clearer? And by their own words, no less.

On the one hand: loving wisdom, understanding and kindness (John Lewis); on the other: venomous, hate-filled hissings of sociopathic derangement (Limbaugh).

Which one, gentle friends and neighbors, in a just world do you think should have recently been awarded a 400-million-dollar contract to spread their message far-and-wide?

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:29 PM

32. And because of that

 

this happened today:

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:42 PM

37. YAY!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:37 PM

34. How much longer before Rush gets yanked from the air?

WTF more does he have to do?

I really expect any time for him to call for an armed act of treason that gets his few remaining Dittoheads bumped off.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:38 PM

35. So let me get this straight Rush

Are you now saying that you support the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam? They had guns. I guess I'm just surprised, because I always thought reich wingers like you said they were terrorists.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:43 PM

38. I won't go to FR, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth must be epic.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:46 PM

39. K&R

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:14 PM

40. Woot!

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:22 PM

41. A little bit more about this from different sources:



Love, not guns, the lesson of Selma for John Lewis (Daily Kos)

...Now, Congressman Lewis didn't "say" he was "beat upside the head" on March 7, 1965; any American can watch the video of the vicious attack by Alabama state troopers. Regardless, Lewis responded to Limbaugh's obscenity in exactly the dignified way all Americans should by now have to come to expect from him:


(This continues with the quote at the OP.)

...On May 9, 1961, Freedom Rider John Lewis was viciously beaten in a whites-only waiting room at the Rock Hill bus station. In February 2009--48 years after Lewis sustained a fractured skull in the assault--his attacker Elwin Wilson came forward and apologized to Georgia Congressman Lewis...

There is a lot more at the link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/19/1180481/-Love-not-guns-the-lesson-of-Selma-for-John-Lewis

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:41 PM

42. Dr. King was so brave. Great accomplishments and upwards of 80!! phone death threats a day.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:47 PM

43. Kick for the evening readers

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:07 PM

45. What part of "nonviolent" doesn't this ass understand?!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:10 PM

46. Emphatic K&R! Rush is so ignorant of history, one

 

hardly knows where to begin, so bereft of logic that I'm amazed that Lewis even deigned to respond.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:53 PM

48. A LOT of anti-civil rights whites had guns too

Maybe Rush really wanted a massacre or Balkanization to occur.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:59 PM

49. Everyday limbaugh proves he's stupid. But, this stupid also

gave John Lewis an opening for a beautiful answer of the meaning of the Civil Rights Movement. And, right before MLK Day and Obama's 2nd Inauguration.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:26 PM

50. Wow.

That's one he'll of good statement by John Lewis.


k & r

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:45 PM

53. Rush is a maggot, which is an insult to maggots. John Lewis is a hero.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:29 PM

54. catbyte, yes, that is an insult to maggots....

maggots are actually quite useful to the ecosystem. I really can't think of any way that limpballs is useful to this planet.

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Response to prairierose (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:30 AM

62. I know, but for some reason maggots just creep me out. I don't mind snakes, spiders, slugs, worms,

really any creatures--even cockroaches--but there's something about maggots that just disgust me, which is why I wrote that. You are correct, of course!

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Response to catbyte (Reply #62)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

72. I can understand that...this is a problem I have been having too...

we need to find a word or phrase that describes something completely useless and often worse than useless. As in the case of limpballs and all of the hate talkers. I keep searching for the right words but every word I think of that has a negative connotation seems to actually have a positive purpose. Like maggots, shit is great fertilizer so piece of shit isn't a phrase that means some thing bad; it means something to feed plants. So, I do not know what to call someone who deserves nothing but contempt.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:21 AM

55. Rush doesn't get it. Thank you for your bravery and your work Rep. Lewis!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:55 AM

57. Oh Rush, you're so transparent.

I am sure he is just expressing his twisted fantasy.

If African Americans in the 1960's had chosen to use violence as the
means to gain civil rights, and to "pick up guns", then the white supremicist,
racists in Alabama and Mississippi would have had the perfect excuse to
shoot them -- nevermind just hitting them "upside the head."
The whole civil rights movement would have been squashed before it even
started and neatly swept away.

That's just what folks like Rush dream about. Racist assholes, pure and simple.

It also reveals how a conservative "thinks" and problem-solves
(might makes right, us against them, guns solve disputes) vs
how a liberal thinks and problem solves
(we are a community, violence begets violence)

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:57 AM

58. k and ar

nt

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:10 AM

59. I'm sure armed black men marching through the cities

would have just automatically made all those white Southern governors, and the police and national guard troops at their command, just roll over and give in. Yeah, that's the ticket.

heck, posse comitatus would have been repealed in a heartbeat and the marines probably would have moved in...

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:28 AM

61. It's truly heartbreaking and pathetic that Rush is incapable of making a living

any other way than preaching hate, fear, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, white supremacy, ...

One could almost feel sorry for him. Almost.


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Response to proReality (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:31 AM

63. The fucker doesn't even HAVE to make a living anymore. He'll never change.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:38 AM

64. Rush is an ignorant white trash bigot and a stone cold hater through and through

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MLK changed the destiny of millions with his words. He was one of the greatest Americans who ever lived IMO.

Rush Limbaugh, OTOH is a boil on the ass of humanity. His legacy of hate will die in the grave with him.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:40 AM

65. Can't happen soon enough for me.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:07 AM

66. Perfect answer

The response made by John Lewis was the perfect answer to a typical moronic rant by Rush.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:44 AM

69. Limpballs is prime example that the quest for civility is a never ending struggle against evil.

History demonstrates that the dark veil of ignorance that feeds hatred is only overcome through determined resistance to demigods who prey on the fears and prejudice of much of society.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:55 AM

70. I wonder how much of that will fly right over Rush's (and his listeners' heads)?

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:52 PM

74. MLK did have an armed guard at his home some nights

Not all the time. He wanted to change civil society, not start a blood bath.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:43 PM

76. Spoken With Such Eloquence And Grace

Such eloquence will surely pass over the head of Rush for he is such a shallow thinker. The power of compassion must be our defense so thank you Congressman Lewis for again reminding us of where we stand and with such eloquence and grace. It truly honors Dr. King.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:59 PM

77. the thing about peace and peaceful expression

is that it puts a glaring spotlight on violence and violent expression. That is why it works so well because violence against a peaceful person is repugnant in a civilized society--there is no scattering away from or wiggling out from under that.

it's something that lumpfuck and those who follow him will never in a million lifetimes understand.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:20 PM

80. And this is why RW nuts don't get MLK, Gandhi...

or even the teachings of Jesus, despite claiming to be Christians. They don't believe in a civilized society, but a Randian dystopia.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:39 PM

81. lumpfuck - precious! I'll use it if you don't mind. Conjures up LumpFuck!

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Response to AAO (Reply #81)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:46 PM

86. LOL! It's yours!!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:51 PM

78. As a strategy for change, non-violence places the focus on the moral and social cost and

benefit of the change that is advocated. Non-violence seeks to achieve change through cooperation and consensus.

Violence places the focus not on the substance or worthiness of the change that is advocated but rather on whether those wanting change have the force, the strength, the weaponry and the cruelty to impose the change on the unwilling.

Change achieved through non-violence is likely to be more enduring because it is willingly embraced not fearfully clutched.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:25 PM

79. it's easy to forget

that King was likely considered as polarizing as Al Sharpton was in the early 1990's. Possibly even more so.

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Response to maverickfox (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:06 PM

82. Oh, no. Back then MLK was far more despised by the white power crowd

Than Rev. Sharpton ever dreamed of being! I was around in those days.



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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:58 AM

83. So why isn't John Lewis on radio and TV and Rush pushing is hate in the street?

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:39 PM

85. I can just imagine

how incredibly supportive Rush and the rest the right-wing echo chamber would have been of Angela Davis, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton and the Black Panther Party's armed citizen patrols exercizing their 2nd Amendment Rights of armed self-defense and open carry.

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