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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:25 PM

PPP: Hillary Clinton Would Lead Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio In Florida 2016

01/17/2013

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton would lead Florida politicians Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio among Sunshine State voters in the next presidential election, according to a new survey from the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling, which called her "a force to contend with" in 2016.

Clinton, who enjoys wide support nationally, took 49 percent to former Republican Gov. Bush's 44 percent, and 50 percent to Republican Sen. Rubio's 46 percent in the poll. Voters were asked to consider potential matchups in the 2016 presidential race.

The secretary of state was also the overwhelming favorite in a hypothetical Democratic presidential primary in Florida, taking 65 percent in a field of nine possible candidates. She was trailed, distantly, by Vice President Joe Biden, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/hillary-clinton-poll_n_2497426.html

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Reply PPP: Hillary Clinton Would Lead Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio In Florida 2016 (Original post)
TroyD Jan 2013 OP
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #1
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #5
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #8
Janecita Jan 2013 #24
mgcgulfcoast Jan 2013 #26
graham4anything Jan 2013 #2
bluestateguy Jan 2013 #3
graham4anything Jan 2013 #4
antigop Jan 2013 #6
Always Randy Jan 2013 #13
antigop Jan 2013 #14
antigop Jan 2013 #7
TroyD Jan 2013 #9
antigop Jan 2013 #10
antigop Jan 2013 #11
RudynJack Jan 2013 #27
antigop Jan 2013 #29
RudynJack Jan 2013 #31
antigop Jan 2013 #35
antigop Jan 2013 #36
stevenleser Jan 2013 #49
antigop Jan 2013 #52
stevenleser Jan 2013 #58
antigop Jan 2013 #60
Beacool Jan 2013 #18
antigop Jan 2013 #19
stevenleser Jan 2013 #42
antigop Jan 2013 #43
antigop Jan 2013 #44
stevenleser Jan 2013 #45
antigop Jan 2013 #46
stevenleser Jan 2013 #47
antigop Jan 2013 #53
antigop Jan 2013 #54
stevenleser Jan 2013 #57
antigop Jan 2013 #59
antigop Jan 2013 #55
antigop Jan 2013 #20
DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #41
Beacool Jan 2013 #50
DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #56
Politicub Jan 2013 #12
antigop Jan 2013 #15
RudynJack Jan 2013 #32
davidpdx Jan 2013 #33
antigop Jan 2013 #37
BlueDemKev Jan 2013 #16
Beacool Jan 2013 #17
TroyD Jan 2013 #21
Hawaii Hiker Jan 2013 #22
stevenleser Jan 2013 #48
Whisp Jan 2013 #23
antigop Jan 2013 #38
Lobo27 Jan 2013 #25
Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #28
Kahuna Jan 2013 #30
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #34
samsingh Jan 2013 #39
Fringe Jan 2013 #40
RC Jan 2013 #51

Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:33 PM

1. Rubio is a SEXIST JERK

and a TROLL for the Tea Party. End of story.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:59 PM

5. Not that I doubt you

but, did Rubio do anything beyond the normal Republican anti-woman agenda to be called a sexist jerk?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:01 PM

8. Co-sponsored the Blunt Amendent

but kept that under wraps and didn't seem to want to announce it to the world.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:40 PM

24. And also a liar!!

Calling himself "a son of Cuban exiles" when his parents came here before the revolution!!! I'm Cuban, and I totally hate the bastard!

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:58 PM

26. rubio is a shady character

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:40 PM

2. It takes Hillary45 to beat a Bush nationwide, and she will with 400-450 electoral votes imho

 

with Bill's campaigning, and President Obama's strong support, Hillary can win
Arkansas, KT, Tenn, GA, SC and well, we can dream,(especially if Castro becomes Governor), Texas, led by women and the demographic shift raw numbers.

Florida, with Democrat now, Gov. Charlie Crist back in office, should be takeable against either.
But Rubio won't even run if Jeb does.

imho.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:48 PM

3. Getting Crist in is important

Because the Secretary of State office is appointed in that state by the governor. Crist can appoint a SOS who will stop the shenanigans and extend early voting.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:51 PM

4. A poll today says Charlie is leading big time against Scott.

 

Jeb (or Rubio) won't have a theft machine if Charlie wins.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:09 PM

6. what an absolutely stupid poll....no one has announced they are running and Obama hasn't

even started his second term.

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Response to antigop (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:51 PM

13. Not a stupid poll

Rubio was on Faux news today, Bush is coming out with a new book in the Spring-----be aware that a politician is always running for the next election----all of the talk here about Ashley Judd running against Mitch McConnell in 2014 is quite real-----we need to stay fired up on this-----no disrespect meant by this----but stay vigilant

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Response to Always Randy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:53 PM

14. no...it needs to be ignored because it's a stupid poll. There is no race to poll. It's dumb. nt

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:11 PM

7. but, ah, yes, the "inevitability" meme appears once again. There will be a PRIMARY in 2016

not a coronation.

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Response to antigop (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:36 PM

9. Of course there will be a Primary, but IF Hillary runs in 2016, she will likely win

And I think one of the reasons Hillary is on top in the polls and so popular with Democrats as the #1 2016 choice is because there's a sense that she probably deserves it more than in 2008.

She has now been Secretary of State for 4 years and has put in more time than she had when she first ran. She has 'paid her dues', so to speak. She joined the cabinet of her rival and has been a loyal member. She will also be standing up for the Administration again next week when she testifies on Benghazi. People like Sen. Rand Paul are already pledging to try and destroy her.

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Response to TroyD (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:19 PM

10. ah, yes...there is no one else. She's the one.. the "inevitability" meme once again. Keep it up

It worked so well in 2008.

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Response to TroyD (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:27 PM

11. I'll repeat...it's a ridiculous poll. It proves nothing since no one has announced they are running

nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:23 PM

27. No poll

ever proves anything. It's a measure of where people stand today. I see no reason to get worked up over It.

If you think it deserves no attention, don't give it any. Easy-peasy.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:38 PM

29. who's worked up? I'm not--I'm simply pointing out it's a stupid poll because...

no one has announced they are running and Obama hasn't even started his second term.

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Response to antigop (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:07 AM

31. You seemed a bit overwrought.

And nobody said anybody announced. I'm pointing out that all polls only measure what the public feels at any point. This poll doesn't claim who's going to win (or even run) four years from now. It is what it is - and you seem bothered by it.

You shouldn't be. Nobody has claimed it means more than it does. But it shouldn't be surprising that a political discussion board would discuss a political poll.

I suspect you don't like the results, and that causes your tsuris. But stay calm. As a predictive tool, the poll is exactly as meaningless as you think. The problem, on your part, is acting as if the poll IS predictive.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:52 AM

35. no...it's the other people posting who think it's predictive...I'm trying to educate them.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:55 AM

36. and, no, I'm not "overwrought". Just pointing out it's a stupid poll...kind of like asking

"Would you buy a Ford or a Toyota 4 years from now?"

It tells you nothing.

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Response to antigop (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:37 AM

49. You're overwrought. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:28 PM

52. nope. Just pointing out that it's a stupid poll. No one has announced they are running nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:18 PM

58. Ya, see my #57 nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:22 PM

60. No one has announced -- that's a FACT. nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:30 PM

18. It eats you up, doesn't it?

The sweeter the poll results.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:35 PM

19. No, it eats you up that I point out the "inevitability" meme. Keep it up. It worked so well -2008.

nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:09 AM

42. If she wants it, it's hers. No one can take it away from her. I'm not making a statement on whether

that is good or bad, it just is.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:06 AM

43. Add +1 to the "inevitability"meme counter. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:11 AM

44. 2008 reminder nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:26 AM

45. In 2008, she hadnt had the most powerful job in the cabinet. Its not 2008 nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:54 AM

46. It's not "hers". No one "owns" the nomination. But keep it up -- it worked so well in 2008 nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:21 AM

47. This discussion obviously bothers you a lot to the point you cannot be objective

I am completely agnostic to the idea of Hillary being the obvious frontrunner, but I can see what is rather that what I would like to be.

You obviously cannot get there.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:29 PM

53. It's a FACT that no one "owns" the nomination. We have democratic processes. nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:31 PM

54. deleted...posted in wrong place. nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:17 PM

57. Right, you aren't upset or overwrought, and you have people skills too...

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:18 PM

59. just pointing out FACTS. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:36 PM

55. No one has announced. That's a FACT. nt

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Response to Beacool (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:36 PM

20. some of us see through the charade. nt

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Response to Beacool (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:11 PM

41. The hillary that ran in 2008

did not deserve to win,
however, it is not 2008.

I just hope that this time, Bill knows when to speak,and when to shut the hell up,
and that Bibi Netanyahu does not keeping giving Hillary visions of herself as Golda Meir (oh come on,Hillary killing all those arabs will make you tough )

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:20 PM

50. I beg to differ.

Hillary was a good candidate who received more votes from registered Democrats than Obama (some were open primaries). Although I do agree that the campaign itself could have been run better.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:32 PM

56. we will see in 2016

because if sh repeats 2008, she might lose.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:33 PM

12. Dems have a lot of strong potential candidates



The GOP- not so much.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:56 PM

15. and no one has announced they are running. Obama hasn't even started his second term yet. nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:42 AM

32. Correct.

Has anybody here argued otherwise?

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:37 AM

33. A lot of people are sure acting like it...

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:56 AM

37. thank you, david nt

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:30 PM

16. Good News.

Still, a lot can change between now and 2016. I'm concerned about Hillary's health, plus the fact she'll be 68 in 2016--almost as old as Reagan was when he first took office. Would she be able to handle the job? Would she be healthy enough to run for re-election in 2020?

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:29 PM

17. No wonder Rubio has been going after Hillary over Benghazi.

Ditto for Rand Paul. They want to run for president and fear her popularity. As for Jeb, it will be a long time before the nation is ready to see another Bush run for president. He can thank his brother for that.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:19 AM

21. Rand Paul is a loser

Unlike Marco Rubio he has no future outside his own state, IMO.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:55 PM

22. Yeah, but if these electoral votes scams go thru, no Democrat will be able to win

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014371719

Give any opponent (in anything) an unfair advantage and he or she will always win....If electoral votes are split in BLUE states only, there is no way a Democrat can win...I mean, if i got to race Usain Bolt in the 100 yard dash, and he had to run the race with an elephant tied to his back, well, I'm going to win the race...If the Cleveland Browns were spotted 25 points at start of every game, they'd go 16-0 and be in the Super Bowl...

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:32 AM

48. Hillary would still probably win, but its hard to see anyone else. It would take a strong Dem

candidate and a weak Repug candidate.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:00 PM

23. interesting, but doesn't mean a darn thing this early

It's just another story to give the pundits and yappers something to chew on that means Nothing. typical.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:59 AM

38. it's a charade..and many are falling for it, sadly. nt

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:49 PM

25. As Hispanic American

I dream of the day a Hispanic achieves the office of the President. But I would not want Rubio to run for office, not because I don't agree w/ his agenda, but because I feel they would use him to simply pander to hispanics. Very upsetting.

On a side note, here in Texas the GOP is already doing all they can to tarnish the Castro brothers. Many feel Julian Castro could be our next governor, perhaps not in the next election, but in the one after. The Gop would hate for a solid red-state to have a Dem governor, not mention a hispanic one.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:40 PM

28. Let's get to work!

And let's make sure gerry-mandering doesn't get in the way.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:08 PM

30. No shit. If Hillary runs, she will win in a landslide. nt

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:45 AM

34. Wow. That poll also had really bad news for Chris Christie.

Only 7% of Republicans think he should run in 2016.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

39. still too many people voiting repug - they must truly be idiots

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:46 AM

40. Hillary 2016!

I hope Hillary keeps her lead, and is the NEXT president of the United States!!

However, it does make me nervous that she has a lead so early, usually not good for the person with an early lead, too much of a target.

I've always been an Obama supporter, but I love Hillary as well, and am thankful for what Bill Clinton did for Obama this past election, and hope that, we all will be there to push Hillary across the finish line when the time comes.

She will need all our help because, " Republicans be CRAZY" especially when it comes to the Clintons.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:46 PM

51. How 'bout we wait 3 years and see who the Center Right Democratic leadership allows us to vote for?

 

Hillary is far enough Right of Center to be a Democratic front runner - if she were to run. But she has indicated she is not interested in running. That information was sucked down the memory hole before the last election.
She will be 70 in 2016. A bit old for the job, don't you think? Plus she already knows what the Presidency actually entails. So why would she want more stress from running, let alone the job itself?

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