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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:26 PM

Obama is Already Two Steps Ahead of Republicans on the Debt Ceiling

http://www.politicususa.com/obama-steps-republicans-debt-ceiling.html


Obama is Already Two Steps Ahead of Republicans on the Debt Ceiling

By: Jason Easley
Jan. 6th, 2013



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Before the Republican congressional leadership had a chance to utter a word about the debt ceiling, the president said,

But we canít simply cut our way to prosperity. Cutting spending has to go hand-in-hand with further reforms to our tax code so that the wealthiest corporations and individuals canít take advantage of loopholes and deductions that arenít available to most Americans. And we canít keep cutting things like basic research and new technology and still expect to succeed in a 21st century economy. So weíre going to have to continue to move forward in deficit reduction, but we have to do it in a balanced way, making sure that we are growing even as we get a handle on our spending.

Now, one last point I want to make ó while I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that theyíve already racked up through the laws that they passed. Let me repeat: We canít not pay bills that weíve already incurred. If Congress refuses to give the United States government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic ó far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff.


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The president has public support, the better message, organization, and plan. Obama is running circles around the Republicans while dysfunction, disagreement, and chaos have paralyzed their party. Republicans will bluster about letting the nation default, but no one believes for a second that the big money interests who really run the party will ever let that happen.

Congressional Republicans have demonstrated repeatedly that they donít have the stomach to carry out their threats. A much wiser President Obama has learned to ignore the rightís empty threats while exploiting the fragmented disorganization of their caucus.

While Republicans are trying to dig themselves out of their fiscal cliff hole, Obama is digging in for another win on the debt ceiling.

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Reply Obama is Already Two Steps Ahead of Republicans on the Debt Ceiling (Original post)
babylonsister Jan 2013 OP
SDjack Jan 2013 #1
pacalo Jan 2013 #2
Sunlei Jan 2013 #12
freshwest Jan 2013 #14
pacalo Jan 2013 #19
freshwest Jan 2013 #21
Sunlei Jan 2013 #23
freshwest Jan 2013 #29
pacalo Jan 2013 #24
freshwest Jan 2013 #28
pacalo Jan 2013 #33
NightOwwl Jan 2013 #25
freshwest Jan 2013 #26
Cary Jan 2013 #30
freshwest Jan 2013 #34
tavalon Jan 2013 #35
freshwest Jan 2013 #42
tavalon Jan 2013 #47
davidpdx Jan 2013 #44
Flashmann Jan 2013 #45
freshwest Jan 2013 #46
fredlefebvre Jan 2013 #3
CJCRANE Jan 2013 #4
Cosmocat Jan 2013 #5
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #8
ReRe Jan 2013 #15
sheshe2 Jan 2013 #17
Cha Jan 2013 #20
tavalon Jan 2013 #36
rippinsteo Jan 2013 #6
Sunlei Jan 2013 #11
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #13
tavalon Jan 2013 #37
CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #7
Sunlei Jan 2013 #10
sheshe2 Jan 2013 #16
CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #48
pacalo Jan 2013 #18
tavalon Jan 2013 #38
pacalo Jan 2013 #39
Cha Jan 2013 #22
sheshe2 Jan 2013 #32
Cha Jan 2013 #40
sheshe2 Jan 2013 #41
Sunlei Jan 2013 #9
uncommonCents Jan 2013 #27
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #43
donco Jan 2013 #31

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:55 PM

1. Boner can't bear the responsibility alone. If he doesn't have

the Repug votes to extend the debt limit, he will allow the House to vote it up-or-down. DEMs plus some reasonable Republicans will extend it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:12 PM

2. From the moment I heard his speech, I thought this one line said it all:

I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that theyíve already racked up through the laws that they passed.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:01 PM

12. I though that speech of Pres. O was top flight, spot on. Congress needs to pay their bills.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:15 PM

14. That was it for me, too. I haven't bought into the terrorism. No decent person wants us to default.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:28 PM

19. It's a brilliant approach, like holding up a magnifying glass to the entire cause of friction.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:41 PM

21. One of my friends here met Obama last summer. He knows many highly educated, intelligent people.

He was stunned by Obama's intelligence. i believe the man is a genius. I've known a few, and they are humble and ready to listen - after all, they have an innate love of knowledge.

There are things to learn from any person on different subjects. Even those considered 'mentally challenged' have some insights because of where their minds wander.

The most pitiful person is the one who is trapped by ego or fear into not exploring things. The louder and more confident one is in one's own notions, always ready to insult or ridicule others, is a sign of low or stifled intelligence, IMHO.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:59 PM

23. I to believe the man is a genius, he listens to everyone and is trustable.

Looking so foward to his next books. Read somewhere after politics President O. wants to teach again. I would love to take that class!

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:49 PM

29. I'm wondering if he'll teach at the University of Hawaii? Maybe later.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:20 PM

24. Well said, freshwest!

As for my personal opinion about Obama, he's the first president who has reminded me so much of JFK. He's got the same presence: intelligence, quick wit, poise, charm, good looks, & a young, democratically-driven family.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:47 PM

28. That was always my impression of him. No wonder the Kennedy family endorsed him.

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I used to tell people that of those in my memory, JFK and Carter and would have been RFK - were the best ones. But I've seen more in Obama than those men, and I'm glad he got his second term. This country needed someone of this caliber for a long, long time. Very grateful to see someone who is able to handle so much.

Humility and patience are not weaknesses, the bravado and coarseness of loud mouths and bullies are dangerous. Obama has excellent and necessary traits for leaership. People who blow up and lash out cannot be trusted with so much responsibility and working with so many conflicting interests.

He is also one of those who work with things as they are, even though we don't like the way this country has changed. He comprehends this without the sloth of believing the status quo always wins, and gets things done without desiring credit or being adored. That is the downfall of shallow men and nations.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:13 PM

33. You nailed it with me on this...

He is also one of those who work with things as they are, even though we don't like the way this country has changed.


Perfectly put.

(fixed the typo on "changed" )





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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:36 PM

25. He possesses a high level of self-awareness

and very little ego. Buddha would be proud.

I'm still amazed he is our President.

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Response to NightOwwl (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:40 PM

26. An almost infinite emergy flows thorugh him - so that he is able to handle all aspects at once.

I've seldom seen such a self-actualized being. Good.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:52 PM

30. I know a few dozen graduates of Harvard Law

You don't get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review unless you're brilliant.

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Response to Cary (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:14 PM

34. Yes, a lot of his biggest conservative bashers are quite crude and... well, let's leave it at that.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:01 AM

35. If I could wish anything into existance, it would be to change Obama's political stance to liberal,

because I've known from the first time I heard him that he was a genius, and that genius pared with a Wellstone like political POV, would be just sublime. The First Lady is no slouch either. And I just bet you, their children got the good stuff too.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:50 AM

42. He's more liberal well over than half the voters. A fact that must be faced and he has.

This country has been going conservative for over 30 years, and has always had a large group, even before the latest craziness, that quietly went along with some of the most radical things.

We might pretend it is a generational problem or a regional one, but it's a bit different than that. I consider this country to have been operatiing with more than one social and economic model since before the Civil War. Classical liberalism has been around a long time, but was had only been manifested since the Civil Rights era in a context most of us understood.

This country have been further divided by how people live. We no longer have town halls or town centers in most of the country. Capitalism defined our work, where we live and socialize. Everything is a product, we are in a vertical social order set up not only on the physical scale but by media, separation in eduation and property.

At one time it was possible to call for a general strike among a community that trusted each other and had resources to share to see people through a temporary hardship. This is no longer the case. We have been taught to despise each other, the heart is no longer willing to stand by each other in hardship because there is no sense of roots, no belief in the greater good.

Even liberals or those who profess to be liberals, are not able to formulate what they want society to be in a positive manner - we spend more time examining our differences with the right than explaining what we want. Our voice has been taken from us, we have trouble keeping a meme, a motto with longevity to build on with those we wish to teach.

Those we see as allies, often are merely following conventional thinking patterns and believe things won't change to harm them if they stand aside and wait for the dust to settle. Then they will participate, but in the rmeantime the energy needed to change things is wasted.

The right wingers work in communities every day with their set of beliefs guiding them. This is not FDR's, JFK's,RFK's, LBJ's, Carter's or Clinton's America. More and more power and wealth has created a separate group that cannot be ignored as they have taken over the functions of many entities traditional liberalism created.

The masses of people not only do not protest this, they would not want it to change. Obama cannot dissuade them from what they see as the only way to survive. When we get more of our fellows to embrace liberalism. PBO can get more done in that direction.

He is not a master hypnotist, and he is not into controlling us as some might think. That is a losing strategy, because there are too many people in this world to get them to all agree.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:02 AM

47. Actually, I think I can describe what my personal liberal ideal is

I want a nation in which children, the elderly, the infirm and those who struggle with poverty are assisted by the government. I want us, as a nation to care about one another, such that a person being hungry or homeless is seen as unacceptable and that our government as well as each individual chooses to help those in need.

I want America to stop being a foreign aggressor and with the United Nations, devote a much smaller amount of our GDP to helping other nations in need, rather than fueling the military industrial complex. Homeland security would be replaced by the Dept. of Peace.

I want unions to be strong or even better, unnecessary and I want those who have more than they could ever want for to give back what they don't need to those who do.

I want us to have universal health care and universal public education.

I want a nation that values its nurses, firefighters and teachers and finds CEOs who do nothing but amass money to be contemptible.

I want, just once, to find that there are some people who are more liberal than I am.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:06 AM

44. I'd love the opportunity to be in the same room with him

I honestly wouldn't know what I would ask him first being both a political freak and having an interest in law.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:28 AM

45. No decent person wants us to default.

Decent people are not the problem.......Republicans are.......

Decent people and thuglicans are two entirely different animals....

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 AM

46. Agreed, but there are those on the opposite extreme who think it would be liberating, thus good.

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Many want to liberate us from the evil government and would welcome a permanent state of default, and the collapse of civil government on every level. But it would only liberate a few millions of their lives and future. Those who work to maintain social relationships, who are not on the sidelines howling for entertainment, don't want default.



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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:37 PM

3. Any responsibilitty?

 

Pres. Obama was a United State Senator from January '05 until November '08. Does he include himself and the votes he cast in the phrase "bills they've already racked up"? Or are we to assume that his numerous "did not vote" record absolves him from any responsibility for the bills we have?
And do you really expect that Sen.'s and Rep.'s who have gotten us to this point will be able to solve it? Not likely.

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Response to fredlefebvre (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:46 PM

4. He wants Congress to raise the debt ceiling

so your point is moot.

The debt ceiling is just an arbitrary number like a bank overdraft limit. If you've already spent the money then it's absurd to suddenly tell the bank not to cover it.

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Response to fredlefebvre (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:00 PM

5. either way

he is saying congress needs to pay the bills it racked up.

Dense, aren't you.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:54 PM

8. Well, at least our 1-post wonder got a pizza.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:17 PM

15. I read and read and read...

and after I read a reply like that, my eyes wonder to their post count. Never fails. It's happened about 10 times in the last few days. I chuckle ever time... like now...

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Response to fredlefebvre (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:23 PM

17. Oh my alot of first posters on DU tonight.

All negative on PBO!

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Response to fredlefebvre (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:39 PM

20. President Obama is taking responsibility.. It's the asshole republicons who

who run like scared chickens from taking any responsibility. Zero accountatbiilty for their lies and spending when bush-cheney was Racking up debt and raising the ceiling 17 times.

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Response to fredlefebvre (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:02 AM

36. I agree with your last statement, unfortunately,

but you know Obama is pushing them to pay for everything that was passed in this generation? That would include him.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

6. No debt ceiling

 

We deserve what is ours. No debt ceiling. Nobody cares about debt. I want what's mine. Peace.

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Response to rippinsteo (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:58 PM

11. Romney is that you?

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:15 PM

13. Just another pizza eater.

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Response to rippinsteo (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:03 AM

37. No wanna double digits?

Awww, innit cute.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:47 PM

7. Two steps ahead with three back peddles in his back pocket

 

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Response to CranialRectaLoopback (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:56 PM

10. what do you mean by that?

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Response to CranialRectaLoopback (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:19 PM

16. WOW...you are dropping your little tidbits of negativity all over DU.

Last I saw you, was on my post, at the BOG. That didn't work out so well for you, did it!

It's pretty clear that you have nothing but disdain for this President.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:12 AM

48. Ido have disdain for this President.

 

Do you applaud drone killings, warrantless wiretapping, rendition, extrajudicial killings? I don't.

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Response to CranialRectaLoopback (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:24 PM

18. That's "pedals", hon.

This thread really struck a nerve -- there coming out of the wudwerk!1!

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Response to pacalo (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:04 AM

38. I love your smiley

and your comment.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:16 AM

39. Aww, thanks!



You're welcome to steal it.


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Response to CranialRectaLoopback (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:43 PM

22. Hope you don't choke on the

dust.

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:05 PM

32. What is with these 1st posters tonight....Cha

two have appeared on my threads...one at BOG....now on second tread. I can't even alert on him. My computer is wacky again tonight. When I tried my post below covers the alert!

This guy is nuts.

she

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:17 AM

40. Droppings are more importantly

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expedient than actually knowing what they're talking about.

No worries.. they won't stop the progress.

she

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:39 AM

41. They will not stop us for a moment in time! Never.

We are moving forward rapidly. We are fired up! Yes we can!

I can not wait until the Inauguration. It will be awesome. Waiting with baited breath for what Chipsticks comes up with for that. It is why she has been moving so rapidly on her "moment or two series." She plans to finish through december before the Inauguration. A commemerative...then a new beginning.Then we have the SOTU!

WOW what a great month this is turning out to be.

Cha,
Mahalo Nui Loa!
For Everything.

she

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:56 PM

9. not 2 steps ahead, President Obama is 100 miles ahead of them and gaining.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:45 PM

27. Taxes have already been raised, check your next pay stub. :)

 

Taxes have already been raised, check your next pay stub. During the debt ceiling negotiation, President Obama got most of what he wanted if the U.S. went off the "fiscal cliff". This time, Republicans get most of what they want if the government is shut down. Since they can still pay social security and interest on the debt, Republicans have a much stronger hand this time. President Obama is out saying that a shutdown will be catastrophic, but it wasn't catastrophic the last time it happened. Get ready for a shutdown. Taxes have already been raised, check your next pay stub.

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Response to uncommonCents (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:37 AM

43. Uh, Republicans raised the taxes.



Notice column B: End Payroll tax break.

They have no leverage. And unless they want to be extinct in 2014 they need to keep quiet. The last thing they need is media pointing fingers at them. GONE.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

31. Karnak sees

a steady stream of business leaders going in and our of the Whitehouse the next couple of months.

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