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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:13 PM

Dems: What Will We Do When Deal Collapses? (Ohhh this is really good!)


Dems: What Will We Do When Deal Collapses?

Some Democrats were already thinking out loud about what will follow the collapse of the Senate deal, which they now expect.

If Republicans attempt to offer amendments -- as is expected -- Democrats will oppose a rule to allow that to happen procedurally.

If the GOP then tries to pass an amended bill, "they will have to do it with their own votes," said Rep. James Clyburn, (D- S.C.), a member of the leadership. Either scenario would kill the deal.

If the GOP doesn't offer an up or down vote on the Senate deal, well, that would kill the deal, too.

And then what? "Well, I say that then we wait for the new Congress to come in on Thursday. We'll have better numbers, more members on our side," said Clyburn. "Then we offer a new bill that they will like even less. They didn't like the 450 (thousand dollar in household income) floor on the tax increase? Let's see how much they like it when we push it back down to 250 (thousand)!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/fiscal-cliff-news_n_2393443.html#liveblog


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Reply Dems: What Will We Do When Deal Collapses? (Ohhh this is really good!) (Original post)
Tx4obama Jan 2013 OP
Skittles Jan 2013 #1
mwrguy Jan 2013 #20
mike_c Jan 2013 #2
Isoldeblue Jan 2013 #3
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #4
WCGreen Jan 2013 #19
PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #5
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #6
salinen Jan 2013 #9
Brigid Jan 2013 #17
bvar22 Jan 2013 #7
grantcart Jan 2013 #8
jenmito Jan 2013 #10
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #11
jenmito Jan 2013 #12
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #13
jenmito Jan 2013 #14
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #16
jenmito Jan 2013 #18
benld74 Jan 2013 #15
grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #21
humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #22
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #23
humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #24

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:18 PM

1. fuck, push it even lower

STICK IT TO THEM

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:00 PM

20. 100k

please

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

2. this is one reason that I'm hoping the "deal" collapses utterly....

It's a bad deal. The full expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the sequestration is better by far-- and we can get far more concessions from republicans when they're weaker in the new Congress and when democrats force them to go on record with their votes for each individual piece of legislation to correct problems with the sequester.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:20 PM

3. In other words........

Stick your amended bill, where the sun don't shine, baggers!!

I swear, they are just totally insane!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:23 PM

4. Whatever they do, they need to do it quick.

For the estimated 5 million people who have been unemployed for at least six months more than 40 percent (2 million) will lose their unemployment benefits if we go off "the Cliff." That translates into untold misery and homelessness.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:55 PM

19. As well as billions of money serging through the economy...

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:26 PM

5. Which Democrats expect the Senate deal to 'collapse' ? n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:41 PM

6. Please include reducing the age for Medicare to 55. I am series. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:17 PM

9. Me too,

 

May 21, 1957

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Response to salinen (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:23 PM

17. Sounds good to me.

I'll be 55 in May.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:02 PM

7. Now THAT is how to "compromise".

Instead of following the Republicans all the way to the extreme right edge in a misguide attempt at "bi-partisanship",
"Let's see how much they like it when we push it back down to 250 (thousand)!"

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:06 PM

8. If they don't take the deal tomorrow then it will fail.


The markets will then punish the Republicans for the next 2-3 weeks and when several trillion of capital is wiped out they will come back.

Even Rush Limbaugh has seen that.

6 months ago I predicted to my clients that the deal would be agreed to on Jan 2 at around noon, curious to see how close that will be.

Prediction: deal will pass among gnashing of teeth.

Cantor will have significant loss of face.

Tonight the Wall Street heavy weights are calling their Republican lackeys and giving them a dose in reality.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:20 PM

10. The House WILL vote on the Senate bill tonight. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:37 PM

11. Yep, in about 30 more minutes :)

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:41 PM

12. Thanks. MSNBC was giving updates for about the first ten minutes of every hour, but then they'd

go to their pre-recorded, multiple-times aired, New Year Specials. So I'd switch to CNN.

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Response to jenmito (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:44 PM

13. Looks like they will have one hour of debate before the vote. n/t


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:46 PM

14. OK. Thanks again. :)

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Response to jenmito (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:18 PM

16. Bottom of CNN screen says: Final vote may come after 11:15 pm ET n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:28 PM

18. MSNBC is staying on the story now. They're saying the vote might come earlier than expected. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:15 PM

15. Sheet! ALL the R's are stating over and over again are

'significant entitlement reform'
'rigorous debate'
'bipartisan effort'

I CALL BS!!!!!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:01 PM

21. No deal is the best deal so far.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:01 PM

22. I was hoping too but it

passed overwhelmingly.... that's why I can't believe if it was so bad for the thugs why did almost all of them vote for it, didn't need all that extra vote to pass but it got it, .... hmmmmm....

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:04 PM

23. The bill has NOT been voted on yet in The House.


The earlier vote in The House was a procedural vote.

The final vote 'on the actual bill' will take place after the current debate that is now taking place,
sometime around 10:45 pm ET or so.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:06 PM

24. Oh Damn... LOL... my bad...

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