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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:24 PM

$7 Milk?

$7 Milk?

Milk could go to $7 a gallon if the farm bill isn't extended. Some people think this is a bad thing.

As kids we were told that milk was the healthiest thing we could possibly consume. In school we learned about the food pyramid, which prominently featured milk and other dairy products.

Now we learn from best-selling books by Drs. Esselstyn, Campbell and Fuhrman that milk is UNHEALTHY! The fat from it causes heart disease, diabetes, stroke, erectile dysfunction, and dementia. Milk protein causes cancer.

As it turns out, the American dairy industry has been playing a big part in writing the nutritional guidelines! Who knew?

Some are calling the possibility of the bill not getting signed and milk going to $7 a gallon the “dairy cliff.” We should allow it to happen. Falling over this kind of cliff could save your life!

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Reply $7 Milk? (Original post)
JEFF9K Dec 2012 OP
virgogal Dec 2012 #1
plethoro Dec 2012 #2
lunasun Dec 2012 #3
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #7
hogwyld Jan 2013 #24
JEFF9K Jan 2013 #36
Sunlei Jan 2013 #47
tridim Dec 2012 #4
d_r Dec 2012 #5
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #8
d_r Jan 2013 #9
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #26
Aerows Jan 2013 #28
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #31
Aerows Jan 2013 #32
pangaia Dec 2012 #6
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #16
pangaia Jan 2013 #18
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #20
roody Jan 2013 #29
pangaia Jan 2013 #34
Squirmworm Jan 2013 #10
Sunlei Jan 2013 #51
Lil Missy Jan 2013 #11
Heather MC Jan 2013 #12
cprise Jan 2013 #14
JEFF9K Jan 2013 #15
queenjane Jan 2013 #22
Squirmworm Jan 2013 #13
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #17
Aerows Jan 2013 #42
SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #19
cornbread_king Jan 2013 #21
bunnies Jan 2013 #23
bunnies Jan 2013 #25
Chico Man Jan 2013 #27
Aerows Jan 2013 #41
Aerows Jan 2013 #30
Chico Man Jan 2013 #39
Aerows Jan 2013 #40
Chico Man Jan 2013 #43
Aerows Jan 2013 #44
Chico Man Jan 2013 #46
Aerows Jan 2013 #48
Chico Man Jan 2013 #54
Aerows Jan 2013 #55
apnu Jan 2013 #33
AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #35
JEFF9K Jan 2013 #37
AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #38
Sunlei Jan 2013 #45
Aerows Jan 2013 #49
jcgoldie Jan 2013 #52
Sunlei Jan 2013 #53
jcgoldie Jan 2013 #56
Sunlei Jan 2013 #57
Tippy Jan 2013 #50
Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #58
Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #59
Purrfessor Jan 2013 #60

Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:33 PM

1. I like milk and would hate to see it go as high as that. Ridiculous.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:34 PM

2. I haven't drank it for about 20 years. My wife drinks the 1% kind in her morning

 

latte. That's it. If I want cereal in the morning, I use that Almond Milk from Costco. It tastes good although it is expensive. It doesn't do any damage to organs, though.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:34 PM

3. What are good non dairy sources of calcium ? Any that are cheaper? Dairy has always been subsidized

What should kids use instead?

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Response to lunasun (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:00 PM

7. books

Here are the books I have read this year on healthy eating:

1) PREVENT AND REVERSE HEART DISEASE by Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. M.D.
2) THE CHINA STUDY by Thomas M. Campbell II, MD and T. Colin Campbell, PhD
3) EAT TO LIVE by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.

All make a convincing case for avoiding animal products. They say you can meet all your nutritional requirements with a plant-based diet. And you don't even have to use vegetables in certain combinations to get the protein you need!

CAUTION: You will lose weight, save money on food, live to be 100, and save the planet.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:04 AM

24. Replying to research later

Thanks for the book list. I'll have to check these out. I'm trying to find out how to change a lifetime of poor diet and getting my kids to eat healthier. I've suspected milk is not good for ya.

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Response to hogwyld (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:16 PM

36. luckily

Luckily, heart disease can be reversed with a plant-based diet!

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Response to lunasun (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:40 AM

47. spinach, just don't forget the vitamin D. perhaps a multi vitamin is easiest :)

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:36 PM

4. I drink at least 2 gallons a week, this would hurt.

But I bet the price of ice cream would hurt even worse.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:52 PM

5. i think they fixed this already

Sorry

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Response to d_r (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:03 PM

8. I typed

I heard about the problem on NPR an hour before I typed this.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:46 AM

9. reruns?

Seriously I think this is fixed

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:11 AM

26. A temporary fix as passed on Tuesday...

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:27 AM

28. Thank heavens

I love milk, eat cottage cheese nearly every day, and I am addicted to cheese.

Milk is in no way as bad for you as some people claim. I'll take milk over a soft drink (which I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole anyway) any day!

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Response to Aerows (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:30 AM

31. Happy New Year!

I'm a milk drinker as well. The whole world should be as healthy as I am.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:04 AM

32. Happy New Year to you too!

And the whole world should be as healthy as I am, too. Milk does this body very good!

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:16 PM

6. I drink soy milk. Much healthier.

Also, milk is not needed for calcium.. just a big 'milk industry' sales pitch. There are other better sources of calcium.. :>)

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:02 PM

16. Except that over 90% of soy in the US is genetically modified

Personally, I think your best bet is to alternate your non-dairy "milks" and perhaps mix them. They all have advantages and disadvantages.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:25 PM

18. Bummer.

What about organic soy milk? That's what I drink.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:52 PM

20. Look on the container, if it's not GMO they'll say so

If it doesn't I'd look on the manufacturer's website.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:28 AM

29. USDA Organic is not GMO.

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Response to roody (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:13 PM

34. Thanks roody and TexasBushwacker..`

This is Wegmans organic Soy Milk

Wegmans is a small grocery chain based in Rochester, NY.. pretty good store...
USDA Organic
product of Canada
Certified organic by Quality Assurance International

Looks like I'm good to go. :>)

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:50 AM

10. Peta

 

just another peta propaganda scam

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Response to Squirmworm (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:16 PM

51. why peta? I think this is more the dairy industry threatening a price hike will happen if they

lose the millions of dollars in Federal subsidies money (americans federal money) they have enjoyed forever.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:51 AM

11. The farm bill has been fixed already.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:40 AM

12. Almond Milk is just as good and doesn't come from cow tits

Of course ot usually cost $3 for a half gallon. but it's natural so if you were so inclined you could make your own. We would better off if we consumed less animal products as a nation.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:35 AM

14. Almond milk is a high-sugar beverage

having about 30% more carbs than cows milk. And soy milk has raw soy protein which blocks nutrient uptake in the body (and its not a complete protein either).

Westerners want a beverage that tastes fatty, and without moderation that inherently creates dietary problems. Our culture should learn to relegate milk to growing children and for baking desserts (which are assumed to be eaten in small portions... at least when being responsible).

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Response to cprise (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:54 PM

15. "complete" protein

The books I cited reveal that the need for "complete" protein is a myth.

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Response to cprise (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:55 AM

22. You can buy unsweetened almond milk (n/t)

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:51 AM

13. milk

 

there are so many other milks like cow, soy, wheat, bea, cotton, goat and oak.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:08 PM

17. Just because a book is a best seller doesn't make its science valid

Paula Dean's books are best sellers too and they're based on butter and sugar. There is science to support the Atkins diet and the Paleo diet and they are both for omnivores.

Esselstyn's study was a whopping 24 patients and he still gave some of them cholesterol statin drugs. If a vegan diet and incomplete proteins work for you, great, but they don't work for everyone. If you talk to the people that live to be 90 to 100 you'll find few who are vegetarians, even fewer who are vegans. It's not a magic bullet. Just ask Linda McCartney. Oh that's right, you can't because she died at 56 of CANCER.

When Travis Barker of Blink-182 was badly burned in a plane crash, he wasn't healing as quickly as he had hoped. His doctor asked him about his diet. When he told him he was a vegetarian the doctor said he wouldn't get enough protein if he didn't start eating meat again. He did. We have molars for grinding plant material and canine teeth like carnivores. We are meant to eat a mixed diet, mostly plants, not too much.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:47 PM

42. Vegan diets don't work for everyone

If it works for a person, good for them. I applaud them. Vegetarian diets don't work for everyone, either. If it works for someone, great.

I drink milk, and I eat meat. I have a very lean BMI, and I can't handle a lot of carbohydrates without my blood sugar getting whacky, so I don't eat many of them. What I can do is eat a lot of vegetables, protein and fats, and it keeps me in great shape.

Diet is not a one size fits all. It needs to be tailored to the person.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:22 PM

19. +1

My cardiologist fixed my high cholesterol with a statin drug and I am working on it by quitting smoking, a better diet and regular excercise. My doc said my odds of dying of heart disease have dropped by 75%! I had to respond that all that meant was my odds of dying of cancer or some other form of horrible death just went up by 75%.
Pick your poison. I haven't seen anybody make it to 120 yet. And the ones I've seen make it to 100....none of em are a pretty sight!

I love milk. I love a good ribeye. "As good" is a subjective observation, but to be fair I haven't tried almond milk yet. When it drops below the cost of milk, I suppose I will.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:55 AM

21. so now milk doesn't matter?

 

my god america hates the poor. I'm sorry i didn't die soon enough for you guys.

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Response to cornbread_king (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:59 AM

23. "I'm sorry I couldn't die soon enough for you guys."

A bit melodramatic. Dontcha think? Many of us here are poor or working poor (including me). Trust me... you wont DIE from a lack of milk.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:06 AM

25. 7 bucks seems like a lot for a jug of hormones, blood & pus.

Couldnt pay me enough to drink that stuff...

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:13 AM

27. Milk really upsets my stomach

I dropped milk and dairy and now switch between almond and soy milk for my morning smoothies. What a difference in how I felt! And acne I had been battling for a good portion of my life magically disappeared. Then I had my cholesterol tested.. Holy moly! What a difference!!

Maybe some people have iron stomachs able to handle bovine fluids.. But I'm in agreement that dairy milk is no good.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:41 PM

41. I can drink milk by the glassful and

it doesn't upset my stomach. I usually drink 1%. It's a good pick-me-up when I need it. Sorry to hear it upsets your stomach. It kind of fortifies me when I drink it.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:29 AM

30. I love milk

If you want to look for a culprit, I think soft drinks are about the worse thing in the universe for your health. I'll take a big glass of milk over a glass of sugar and chemicals any day.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:23 AM

39. Funny

A glass of milk is full of chemicals and sugar.

The milk industry is formidable.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:20 PM

40. You equated a food

that we all need in the early, formative stages of our lives with a soft drink? Really? Then say that the milk industry is formidable?

I really don't know what to say after that. I drink unsweetened iced tea. That's chemicals, too, I guess. But yes, milk is *exactly* the same as a soft drink. Soft drinks are naturally occurring, of course.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:59 PM

43. And humans are calves

In need of nourishment..

Naturally.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:05 PM

44. Humans drink milk

And the closest thing to human breast milk is cow milk. Why do you think we started drinking it in the first place? I could tell you about goat's milk or sheep's milk, and how they can be adequate, too.

Would you care for some scientific facts, or are you just going to rail against information that says that, yes, milk is good for you if you aren't of the population subset that becomes ill from it. It's as simple as that. Many societies and civilizations both ancient and modern have consumed milk. It's not as though drinking milk is a new idea, and it isn't as though there hasn't been centuries of consumption of it to illustrate that it isn't some deadly dangerous foodstuff.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 08:48 PM

46. How about these for facts?

60% of adults can't digest milk

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

"It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.

Being able to digest milk is so strange that scientists say we shouldn't really call lactose intolerance a disease, because that presumes it's abnormal. Instead, they call it lactase persistence, indicating what's really weird is the ability to continue to drink milk."

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

48. There are far worse things for you than milk

I guess I'm lactose persistent then. I'll still be hitting the moo juice long after this conversation is over, and I'm sure you will be refraining. It probably is a genetic thing. My entire family has always drank lots of milk.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:32 PM

54. Lots of people struggle with digestive problems

Maybe if the facts about milk were more distributed, we'd have a much happier and less gassy society.

Milk: it does a body good (unless you are part of the 60% who cannot digest lactose). Shhhhh...

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:46 PM

55. Indeed

and it is a good idea to let people know that it might be milk that is affecting them. I still like you if you don't drink milk, if you can forgive me for my moo juice hitting ways

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:20 AM

33. At my grocery store, its already over $7.

I paid $7.49 for a gallon of 1% on New Year's Eve. Granted it was organic, but still, I paid over $7 for milk.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:49 PM

35. Okay, Jeff, are you just joshing us here?

No way this could possibly be serious.....

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:22 PM

37. ignore at your own risk

It's all true!

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:07 PM

38. Oooookaaaay then.....LOL.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:35 PM

45. I think there will be milk retailers who will sell for much less. Besides, goat butter is delicious.

Competition is good for the dairy industry. People will try less expensive options.

Once people try goat butter, it tastes soooo much better than dairy cow butter..they won't go back.

Goat milk too has much smaller fat gobbles, easier to digest and tastes better than watery cows milk. It is terrific in coffee, The goat milk tastes better than the most expensive dairy cow cream.

The dairy industry will probably still get gov. money for milk sold to public schools and Gov. programs. But I believe with the other milk options out there and the competition they won't raise the price to the point they lose all the sales.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:43 AM

49. I've never tried goat butter

I love goat cheese. That sounds delicious, actually.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:30 PM

52. I raise dairy goats...

You are correct the milk is delicious and tastes a lot better than cow's milk. We drink it raw without pasteurization. The problem from a competitive standpoint is that the laws are all stacked against the small scale producer. 75-100 years ago milk was a major health issue and many laws were passed to protect people from unclean dairy products. Now we have much better knowledge about how to keep things clean and technology for getting it cold faster etc and these outdated laws have been manipulated by large dairy corporations to make it effectively impossible to provide a small farm alternative to mass produced milk. They hamstring small business under the guise of health standards.

I can sell milk off of my farm, for example, but I cannot advertise it in any way nor can I take it off my farm to sell it at a farmers market nor can I bottle it. Customers have to hear about it through word of mouth... come to my farm ... and pour it in their own bottle. Obviously these restrictions make it very difficult to compete as a producer. Large dairies lobby state legislatures to strengthen such laws and increase the penalties to avoid having to compete with small family farms.

On the cost side. Livestock feed prices precede food price hikes by about 6 months. Thanks to last summer's drought and a decimated corn crop primarily, we have been paying $12 dollars for 50 lbs of grain that was $8 last year and by August hay prices had nearly doubled. Crappy grass hay goes for $8/ bale because of the shortage. I do not recall it ever going above $5 here in this area of southern Illinois. We've been paying these prices all year and people still are resistant to rising milk prices.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:26 PM

53. hey thats such a cool family business, I would love to have a local farm I'd go hens and goats :)

Bummer you can't "cannot advertise it in any way" Could you go around that with offering tours to local schools? Selling the containers that people have to bring for filling, posting pics of cute goats and all the cute things they do...not really an ad for milk sales but with your address and phone number so people would call and ask.

The cow dairy industry must want to hog all the retail sales though I do see canned/dry goat milk, the cheeses and butter on some of the grocers shelves. And there is a dairy in Ca. I think that sells and ships, butter & cheeses) on the internet.

I hope your business does well, once people give a try to goat products they won't go back to tastless regular cows milk, butter or cheese. You would have loyal customers for many years here

Not even to mention the meat it is very, very good also.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:18 PM

56. Thanks Sunlei

You would also be surprised how much anti-goat sentiment there is. I don't think its that way through most of the world as goats are much smaller and more efficient milk producers... easier to maintain on fewer resources, so goats milk is popular in other countries. The milk is very sweet and delicious and the animals are extremely personable and bond with people in a way most livestock do not. But many people won't even try it, they think goats are dirty animals who stink and are ornery tempered and will eat anything. All these stereotypes are about 180 degrees from the truth. As I said they are very friendly, smart like dogs... only the bucks in rut give off bad odors, never the does... and they are very picky about what they eat, more-so than cows or pigs or chickens by far (when people say their goat ate a tin can they are BSing you). When people try the milk for the first time they are usually shocked that its so good, they seem to expect it will be foul in some way. The industry discourages small farmers from selling cows milk just the same... its not just a prejudice against goats its an attempt by big business to monopolize the market...

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:59 PM

57. you are right it is the way big businesses monopolizes the market. That's not fair to local farms.

The Gov should only give subsidy federal moneys to smaller family farms and to encourage local production. The dairy farms are huge now thousands of cows, along with the other mega farms, chickens and hogs. The products are not as healthy, runoffs damage the land/water, and the animals are not treated decently.

I always use goat butter, it's pure white and tastes better than the most premium cows butter. Goat butter has a lower melting point than cows butter, easy to spread on toast & in baking everything tastes more buttery and smooth. I love a good cup of coffee and that cup is the best /w goats milk.

Good luck with your dairy goats. I hope this Admin. assists more family farms like yours to thrive in your local market. I hope they can remove some of the roadblocks the giant dairy industry has placed in your way.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:49 AM

50. Milk prices her went up over the weekend 10 cents a gallon

Have a hunch this is the beginning...But if the Farm bill is not signed everything will go up....not just milk.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:09 PM

58. the farm bill was extended along with the "fiscal cliff" agreement

this is no longer applicable

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:17 PM

59. Hmm...now what will I have with my gummy worms?

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:51 PM

60. We must open more cows to drilling...

and expand our milk pipeline capacity.

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