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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:01 PM

 

Obama played the Senate GOP like violins today.

As of midnight tonight, the Bush Tax Cuts EXPIRE and are DEAD.

Any tax cuts after that will be the Obama Tax Cuts.

Brilliant how Obama is taking the "Tax and Spend Democrats" meme and is now turning it on its head to being the party of tax cuts for the hard working people of America.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:09 PM

1. 13th dimension chess...

 

.while he sent U.S. Troops to 13 countries in Africa W/O Congressional approval...

... and he renewed the FISA SPYING on Americans.

Ulimited war paid for by you and I.....

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:48 PM

2. but money for that stuff doesn't count, lib2DaBone!!!!

STOP TRYING TO LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:46 PM

5. yeah maybe you need to bone up on the constitution

the Commander in Chief can send troops anywhere he wants. There are time limits. 'War' can only be declared by Congress. Which hasnt been done for a long time. Recall everything since Vietnam has been some manner of 'police action' or other semantics.

You also need to know that there are a LOT of al quaida types in Africa right now. Clinton did little and Bush did nothing. And frankly, if you are not in uniform, you got nothing to worry about.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:47 PM

6. Spoken like a true republican!

 

Congratz!

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:56 PM

13. Too bad you can't make your point without personally attacking the poster.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:48 PM

7. Speak the truth, bro....

...there are more men and women who've served on this forum than people know.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:06 PM

10. Where in the Constitution does it state that the Commander in Chief can send troops

anywhere he wants?

Please give a cite and the webpage.

I don't remember seeing that.

I remember that Article I, Section 8 authorizes CONGRESS to declare wars.

I believe that Article II makes the president the Commander in Chief.

Oh, wait a minute let me get my citations for you. Then you give me yours.

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

. . . .

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .

And


Article II, Section 2




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Section 1.

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8

Now, what part of the Constitution are you referring to? Please post the text and the Section.

I have never read anything in the Constitution that says the President can send troops where he wants when he wants.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:16 PM

12. Maybe that complete excerpt

has been condensed, or is partially or completely missing from this version though.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:29 AM

16. THANK YOU!!!

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:58 PM

14. I see the President protecting us.. do have links for

the troops he sent to the "13 African Countries"? I'm interested.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:19 PM

3. Yep, President Barak Obama, the man that killed the Bush tax cuts for good.

That was great political theater, and I'm glad Barak has figured out that this is show business. You want to be the good guy, you have to get up there and play the role in public.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:57 PM

4. President Obama was on TV live today. He was awesome and said congress may wait untill 11:59

He smiled and laughed a lot

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:32 AM

19. Here's the actual live TV record- where the President was so awesome 12/31/12

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:52 PM

8. You must have missed the "Breaking News"

http://news.msn.com/politics/update-white-house-gop-reach-a-deal-on-the-fiscal-cliff


Oh the drama cliff avoided Obama gave in to 450K and above vice his 250K red line....

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:02 PM

9. Give him long enough, and he'll cut SS, too!

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:07 PM

11. I think that's pretty much a given at this point.

It won't be called "Chained CPI" any more though. I believe the proper term will now be "slightly bending the long term cost curve". The latter likely polls better with voters. Kind of like re-badging the estate tax as the "death tax"...I may not have an estate...but I sure as hell am gonna die, so I guess I'm against it...type of thing that works so well with LIV.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:27 AM

18. No he will NOT.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:49 PM

15. I don't know about all the dimensional chess, and what have you...

but I thought since the day I saw a picture of the future President at a 2008 rally in Portland with a giant crowd of 75K, that, 1) this was a man who just might understand where the real power (the people) is in the United States, and 2) this was a man who might not mind having a bunch of pretty cool stuff named after him.

Call it arrogance, confidence, audacity or anything else. There is really only one good way to get his name and legacy emblazoned on highways, high schools, health care legislation...he must do the best job he can do for all the people of the United States.

I love the way he creams the Republican's corn every day, and they have to go around pretending that they are winning. Idiots.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:35 AM

17. Obama

 

...has been doing it since 1999, at least. He is a mastermind that even people who voted for him don't understand.

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