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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:12 PM

The President is a freaking genius !

He is letting the GOP save face by letting them take credit for taking the Chained CPI off the table.

This way he gets exactly what he was after anyway.


Brilliant!

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Reply The President is a freaking genius ! (Original post)
sellitman Dec 2012 OP
Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #1
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #7
Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #26
meti57b Dec 2012 #28
greatauntoftriplets Dec 2012 #30
Hekate Dec 2012 #35
MADem Dec 2012 #40
heaven05 Dec 2012 #50
skeewee08 Dec 2012 #51
KT2000 Dec 2012 #57
Tutonic Dec 2012 #59
grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #42
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #2
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #44
sellitman Dec 2012 #60
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #62
sellitman Dec 2012 #63
bowens43 Dec 2012 #3
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #5
Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #10
Cha Dec 2012 #16
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #45
Cha Dec 2012 #49
MADem Dec 2012 #41
leveymg Dec 2012 #4
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #6
leveymg Dec 2012 #12
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #17
leveymg Dec 2012 #18
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #19
leveymg Dec 2012 #21
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #25
leveymg Dec 2012 #38
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #46
Cha Dec 2012 #9
leveymg Dec 2012 #13
Cha Dec 2012 #14
leveymg Dec 2012 #20
man4allcats Dec 2012 #8
Cha Dec 2012 #15
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #36
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #47
Hekate Dec 2012 #58
loyalkydem Dec 2012 #11
Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #22
Jake2413 Dec 2012 #23
joshcryer Dec 2012 #24
madrchsod Dec 2012 #27
Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #29
Jennicut Dec 2012 #55
doc03 Dec 2012 #31
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #34
Hekate Dec 2012 #37
Cha Dec 2012 #39
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #32
bemildred Dec 2012 #33
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #43
Cha Dec 2012 #53
JEB Dec 2012 #48
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #52
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #54
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #56
sellitman Dec 2012 #61

Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:16 PM

1. Ah, crap.

Can we hate him anyway?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:24 PM

7. Don't worry, plenty here on HairOnFireUnderground will hate him anyway.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:11 PM

26. +1

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:13 PM

28. LOL!!!!!!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:22 PM

30. Love the new name!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:41 PM

35. heehee. The excitement never ends, at HOFU.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:52 PM

40. That was hilarious--you win the thread!








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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:15 PM

50. you

got that right. But they would find something wrong with a perfect human being who happened to be POTUS. I have learned to IGNORE them. And yes I do trust, with some reservation, this politician who is POTUS. Have a good one.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:22 PM

51. Lol u made me spit my juice out on my ipad

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:51 PM

57. Do you think we would get an Alert

if the acronym HOFU comes up now and then? Maybe just a new smilie would do it!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:20 PM

59. Tee hee hee

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:58 PM

42. You do realize he was sending you up?

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:16 PM

2. Tell it the clowns who have been shitting all over Obama for weeks here.

 

Once again they insisted he was cutting SS.
Once again they blew it.

Gobama!

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:04 PM

44. He admitted this morning that he proposed cutting Social Security.

The clowns are those who deny that fact. Would he have accepted the so-called "compromise" that would cost seniors and save middle class tax cuts? Most certainly. He said he would have.

Do those who think Obama was not offering to cut Social Security think that he lied this morning to David Gregory? Or that Obama did not bargain in good faith with Republicans?

Because I don't think he lied, and I think he offered cuts in Social Security sincerely and in good faith (Not good faith to those of us who are present or future Social Security recipients).

I think Obama said very clearly that he tried to "compromise" by cutting Social Security and that the Republicans refused his, Obama's offer.

I listened to the whole Meet the Press interview, and what Obama said was very clear to me. I have no reason to think the President was lying.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:20 PM

60. He knew they would never accept it.

He is playing three dimensional chess and the GOP isn't.

Don't you get it?

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Response to sellitman (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:21 AM

62. Dangerous game!

He let ignorant people think that Democrats want to cut Social Security and Republicans stopped them. Not very good chess in my book.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:08 AM

63. End game

He wins. We win. I'm not unhappy he fooled the ignorant. They probably weren't his demographic anyhow.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:17 PM

3. He still has you fooled......oh well youre not the only one.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:19 PM

5. Your ilk are the ones who look foolish. But should we really expect different?

 

You've been wrong about Obama since 2008 and you haven't learned a damn thing in the past 4 years.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:28 PM

10. +1!

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:41 PM

16. I see you as the one who is "fooled".

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:05 PM

45. Love is blind. I now know what that means. Wow!!!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #45)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:15 PM

49. I don't think you "see' anything.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:56 PM

41. Doubling down, are ya?

You'd probably do better writing lines for Jon Lovitz....you're not sounding terribly convincing.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:19 PM

4. I can guarantee it will go back on the table later.

If it was never on the table, the GOOP wouldn't have accepted "credit" for taking it off. It wasn't even relevant to the Cliff.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:21 PM

6. You can't guarantee anything except the fact that you will continue to bash Obama.

 

That we can all be sure of.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:31 PM

12. You wanna give me odds on that one?

Tell you what, if in 6 mos there's no resurrection of the Chain or similar adjustment of SS COLA by the Administration, I'll make a $50 donation to DU in your name. If I'm right, will you make it a C-note?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:41 PM

17. Why the 2:1 odds if you're so sure

Shouldn't it be the other way?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:42 PM

18. I didn't think anyone would take me up on it. I was right. Even if I gave odds.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:44 PM

19. The odds are 1:1 that you will continue to bash. What kind of bet is that?

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:53 PM

21. I don't need to bash. If Obama wants to spit on the third rail and make it spark as a party trick,

he can be my guest. But, it was no act of genius.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:02 PM

25. and yet, that's all you really do. Just look at your posts.

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:48 PM

38. How would you know? You obviously haven't.

I post about many things, and I give credit where credit is due.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:07 PM

46. We aren't bashing Obama as a person; we are bashing his proposal to cut Social Security.

There are lots of things about Obama that I like very much. His attacks on Social Security are not among them.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:27 PM

9. The gops put it on in the first place..

But letís be clear, this is something that the Republicans have asked for, and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the President has agreed to put this in his proposal -- agreed to have this as part of a broad deficit reduction package that includes asking the wealthiest to pay more so that we can achieve the kind of revenue targets that are necessary for a balanced approach to deficit reduction.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/18/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-12182012

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:34 PM

13. No - this same idea was on the table during the Clinton Admin., along with privatizing SS.

More recently, it's a notion put forward by both sides of the Catfood Commission.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:39 PM

14. Yes, Jay Carney said the repubs brought it up.

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Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:46 PM

20. Depends upon when you start the clock. Recall it was a feature of the '98 proposals that were

revived in large part by the Catfood Commissioners a couple years ago. Now, here it is again from Obama. Gone again, but it will reappear Cheshire Cat-like in a few months.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:26 PM

8. Really? I'm quite willing to accept your premise once there is sufficient evidence to support it.

Right now, I think your conclusion is a bit premature. He's either a genius or a conservative manipulator. Time will tell which description fits best.

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Response to man4allcats (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:40 PM

15. "A conservative manipulator"?.. Yeah right..

"Obama Ends ĎDonít Ask, Donít Tellí Policy"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/us/23military.html

"Obama Endorses Same-Sex Marriage Initiatives In 3 States"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2020733.html
.
"Obama Says Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Legal"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/obama-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 206 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty!"
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

"ObamaCare Facts: Facts on the Obama Health Care Plan
ObamaCare Facts 2012 - We Tell you the Facts, Not The Talking Points"

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:43 PM

36. Good answer!

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:08 PM

47. Are you saying that Obama likes gays and doctors, but not old people?

Just teasing you.

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:54 PM

58. Good links, Cha!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:29 PM

11. that would explain why we're seeing a few of them conceede

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:59 PM

22. So now the GOP is fighting to save SS while our guy wants to cut it?

 

He's a genius!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:18 PM

23. Nice

But I hope he doesn't do an end run

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:31 PM

24. The Republicans were never going to vote for poverty reduction of nearly 4 million seniors.

Therefore Chained CPI wasn't really on the table any more than I can expect my nephew to eat his broccoli.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:11 PM

27. yup.....

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:17 PM

29. This will come up in every budget fight for the next four years. Teabaggers....

claiming he's a socialist, and Socialists claiming he's a Corporatist who wants to make your granny eat cat food. Of course, they're both full of it, so he must be doing something right.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:40 PM

55. Pretty much.

My conservative parents think Obama's Satan. Some on DU think he wants to do in old people and is almost Satan.

I am inclined to think he falls somewhere in between.





















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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:25 PM

31. I don't see the genius in it. You are right the Republicans will

take credit for saving us from the chained CPI. They will use it in ads in 2014 to win more seats in the House. All this will do is kick the can down the road a couple months until the debt ceiling and they will have Obama right where they want him.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:38 PM

34. I agree

The repugs will come out looking better in this part than Obama even though it was them that requested it. Why? Obama just spent months saying that he would defend SS and for the second time he let it into the discussions for a possible cut.. I don't see the genius in it either. It just seems like he weakened his hand for no good reason and pissed his base off.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:46 PM

37. It pissed off the part of Obama's "base" that never liked or trusted him in the first place

Just my observation.

He has not weakened his hand and SS is still safe.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:48 PM

39. They can put it in ads all they want.. all they do is lie but, they're a


"CHAIN OF FOOLS"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

."Fiscal Cliff: GOP Gives In On Social Security Cuts In Stalled Talks"

The cut that GOP leaders had proposed -- picking up on a now-defunct offer from President Barack Obama -- involved basing Social Security cost-of-living adjustments on a chained consumer price index (CPI), which grows more slowly than current measures of inflation and therefore would give seniors less in benefits as time went on.

But Senate Republicans realized in a caucus meeting Sunday afternoon that the idea was a loser for now, even if they might return to it in reaching a larger deal later on.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/30/fiscal-cliff-social-security-chained-cpi_n_2385623.html

But letís be clear, this is something that the Republicans have asked for, and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the President has agreed to put this in his proposal -- agreed to have this as part of a broad deficit reduction package that includes asking the wealthiest to pay more so that we can achieve the kind of revenue targets that are necessary for a balanced approach to deficit reduction.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/18/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-12182012

Brian Fallon

@brianefallon MT @jamespmanley For the record- repub senators like rubio denying that they wanted the cpi change-um, well, they are not telling the truth

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:34 PM

32. Obama was a quick study of sun tzu

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:34 PM

33. Yep, classic Calvin-ball.

It was very funny reading Reid's compliments for Mitch's "sincerity" too.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:00 PM

43. He should never have put chained CPI on the table.

Republicans will blame him for having done that. He should have waited for Republicans to suggest it.

In negotiations, you never, never offer something unless you are asked to do it.

Those negotiations were very poorly managed on the Democratic side.

Similarly, Democrats really messed up in 2008 during the banking crisis. They should have insisted on fair treatment for those in foreclosure. It was obvious from the beginning.

It is unfortunate that political talent does not necessarily come with mathematical ability or a sense of justice.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #43)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:25 PM

53. Maybe if you got the story straight you'd quit blaming President Obama

and start putting the blame where it deserves to go.

CHAIN OF FOOLS


"Fiscal Cliff: GOP Gives In On Social Security Cuts In Stalled Talks"

The cut that GOP leaders had proposed -- picking up on a now-defunct offer from President Barack Obama -- involved basing Social Security cost-of-living adjustments on a chained consumer price index (CPI), which grows more slowly than current measures of inflation and therefore would give seniors less in benefits as time went on.

But Senate Republicans realized in a caucus meeting Sunday afternoon that the idea was a loser for now, even if they might return to it in reaching a larger deal later on.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/30/fiscal-cliff-social-security-chained-cpi_n_2385623.html

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:09 PM

48. As long as it is off the table,

I could give a flying frig who gets the credit.

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:24 PM

52. I want my props too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2036506

"It is possible this is a grand raise

To see how far they'll go. It is possible. In my opinion, in pure braincells, this guy has got the top marks.

I look forward to the conclusion of the hand." - AldoLeopold


I love quoting myself!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to sellitman (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:27 PM

54. He's not getting what he wanted. He wanted chained CPI.

 

If he didn't get it this round, he'll wait for the next.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:43 PM

56. Look! Another Cupie doll all for me!

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:25 PM

61. He never wanted it.

He used it as a barganing ploy.

His ploy is working. he is three steps ahead of the GOP.

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