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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:06 AM

Peggy Noonan's reflections on the elections

(and getting grief from the ones who comment)

(snip)

Early on it was clear that the best candidates on the GOP side gave shape to the entire election . . . by not showing up. We hoped for Mitch Daniels. He, John Thune, Haley Barbour and Jeb Bush didn't get in, leaving the way for Mitt Romney, who we assumed would be the nominee.

(snip)

(In July) we made the most wrongheaded criticism of the year. The thing I denigrated not only turned out to be important—it was probably the most important single element in the entire 2012 campaign. In writing about what struck as the president's essential aloofness, I said there were echoes of it even in his organization. I referred to a recent hiring notice from the Obama 2012 campaign. "It read like politics as done by Martians. The 'Analytics Department' is looking for 'predictive Modeling/Data Mining' specialists to join the campaign's 'multi-disciplinary team of statisticians,' which will use 'predictive modeling' to anticipate the behavior of the electorate. 'We will analyze millions of interactions a day, learning from terabytes of historical data, running thousands of experiments, to inform campaign strategy and critical decisions.' "

This struck me as "high tech and bloodless." I didn't quite say it, but it all struck me as inhuman, unlike any politics I'd ever seen. It was unlike any politics I'd ever seen. And it won the 2012 campaign. Those "Martians" were reinventing how national campaigns are done. They didn't just write a new political chapter with their Internet outreach, vote-tracking data-mining and voter engagement, especially in the battleground states. They wrote a whole new book. And it was a masterpiece. Hats off. In some presidential elections, something big changes, and if you're watching close you can learn a lesson. This was mine: The national game itself has changed. And it's probably going to be a while before national Republicans can duplicate or better what the Democrats have done.

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The party conventions revealed something essential about each party's nature. The Republicans are all for individualism and entrepreneurship, for freedom, but some of their speakers were too entrepreneurial—they were in business for themselves. They told their own stories, lauded their own history—a whole lot of I, I, I. They didn't speak enough about Mr. Romney or the party, which seems as an institution to garner little loyalty even from its stars. The Democrats, on the other hand, were more communal. There was a lot of "us" and "we"—we are together, we are part of something, we are united, we are Democrats. The "we-ness" of the Democrats would seem more attractive to a lot of voters in modern, broken-up America. I wish I'd noted that here.

(snip)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324669104578205714173777172.html

(The subject of the op=ed is: About Those 2012 Political Predictions If cannot open by clicking on the link, copy and paste the subject onto google)



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question everything Dec 2012 OP
still_one Dec 2012 #1
Squinch Dec 2012 #9
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #18
CTyankee Dec 2012 #14
MADem Dec 2012 #2
question everything Dec 2012 #3
MADem Dec 2012 #4
Hekate Dec 2012 #21
Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2012 #6
MADem Dec 2012 #11
Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2012 #5
freethought Dec 2012 #7
question everything Dec 2012 #19
roguevalley Dec 2012 #8
Justice Dec 2012 #10
yellowcanine Dec 2012 #12
catbyte Dec 2012 #13
question everything Dec 2012 #20
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #15
grantcart Dec 2012 #16
yellowcanine Dec 2012 #23
Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #17
Mr_King Dec 2012 #22

Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:10 AM

1. Peggy noonan is irrelevant

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:10 AM

9. Also an idiot. In this particular brain burp, she is saying that hiring for a IT job for the Obama

campaign shows how bloodless and cold the Obama approach is.

I suppose it's warmer and fuzzier to use an abacus? What the hell is the point of her observation?

She's a pompous dolt.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:29 PM

18. She couldn't fathom that by using something so bloodless and cold

it allowed the campaign to be more personal showing warmth and empathy.

If I was the President I would apply the same tactics to the Congress. Get everything you can legally about each member of Congress and use it to connect better with them. If your kids go to the same school or did. If you have some similar interests. etc.

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:59 AM

14. I hope she has just written her own career obituary.

If you can't keep up, Peggy, plus if you only listen to people inside your political echo chamber, well shit happens, doesn't it?

Hope the WSJ gets wise and cans her...

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:16 AM

2. She is the personification of Nails on a Blackboard.

That breathy, didactic tone--I am not a violent person, but I hear her babbling on and I just want someone to hit her smack dab in the face with a three-day-old fish. ANYTHING to make. her. stop!

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:30 AM

3. I rmember the Challenger disaster in 1986

I was driving home and Reagan was eulogizing. My eyes filled with tears while, at the same time, I told myself that these were not his words. That someone else wrote them. That someone else was Peggy Noona. I will remember her for that.

"..We'll continue our quest in space. There will be more shuttle flights and more shuttle crews and, yes, more volunteers, more civilians, more teachers in space. Nothing ends here; our hopes and our journeys continue.

I want to add that I wish I could talk to every man and woman who works for NASA, or who worked on this mission and tell them: "Your dedication and professionalism have moved and impressed us for decades. And we know of your anguish. We share it."

There's a coincidence today. On this day three hundred and ninety years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake died aboard ship off the coast of Panama. In his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans, and a historian later said, "He lived by the sea, died on it, and was buried in it." Well, today, we can say of the Challenger crew: Their dedication was, like Drake's, complete.

The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honored us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God."


Edit to add the link

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/ronaldreaganchallenger.htm

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Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:34 AM

4. She should try using her talents to write stuff that doesn't make her sound like a noxious ass! nt

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Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:09 PM

21. That's lovely, and she's a big part of "The Great Communicator's" ability

That's lovely, and she's a big part of "The Great Communicator's" ability to reach out and touch the American people.

Too bad I have to add that I couldn't stand RR and his policies, but you have to give him (and her) credit for this kind of thing.

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:45 AM

6. She's a stupid person's idea of what 'deep' sounds like

and the single most pretentious moron in punditry.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:52 AM

11. George "Stolen Briefing Book" Will is up there, too! Insufferable! nt

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:44 AM

5. She was hoping for Haley "Boss Hogg" Barbour to get in? Seriously?

If that's her idea of a real candidate, it's no wonder she's irrelevant and was deluded enough to predict a poll-defying Romney landslide.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:46 AM

7. Well Peggy, this is the legacy of your former boss Mr. Reagan

He talked about entrepreneurship, freedom, and success at any cost. As if to say screwing your neighbors, your country, and the future is totally ok if it makes you rich! The generation that followed his words became known as the "ME" generation, one of the most greedy, self absorbed, and selfish generations seen.

Now, years later after his death, those who took up Reagan's banner see that the only people worth representing are banking execs, hedge fund managers, and other sickeningly overpaid CEOs.

Well Peggy, this was the seed that was planted, you're now reaping the harvest!

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Response to freethought (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:34 PM

19. And, she admits it

I was scanning some of the comments on the story and the freepers there are as dismissive of her as people here. Someone refers to her as rhino (I suppose his spellchecker did not allow rino...)

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:23 AM

8. listening to her is like listening to air leaking out of a balloon

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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:43 AM

10. two reactions: one: this column and peggy are both proof of how far out of touch republicans are;and

two, peggy, you could have just said "I was wrong"

silly little comments like - I wish I'd noted that here and my fav - if you're watching close you can learn a lesson.

Watching close? How about just plain watching?

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:52 AM

12. She will be just as wrong the next time. Noonan is like the French generals - always fighting the

last war.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:18 AM

13. Your link slammed me into a paywall, but you can access op-ed through RCP

I would really like to know just what those "sinister undertones" were at the Democratic National Convention. Socialism? Communism? Too many people not White? Teh Gays? Probably all of the above.

Noonan is a florid, bombastic, overwrought clown.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:35 PM

20. Sorry about that

As I added at the bottom of the post, if you copy and paste the title:

About Those 2012 Political Predictions

onto google, you can get it.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:39 AM

15. Peggy learned all the wrong lessons...just like the rest of the Republican party

The irony in all of this is that in four years the country will become even more progressive and diverse. They simply are trying to resist what is naturally happening and out of their control. How futile....

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:42 AM

16. Didn't Peggy Noonan used to be somebody?

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:07 PM

23. You are thinking of Peggy Fleming, the figure skater.

Peggy Noonan was never somebody. She was always a political shill, though, if that is what you mean.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:04 PM

17. Who let that drunken ass fool out of the country club again?

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Edit:
God damn outocorrect!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 05:01 AM

22. And yet the Sunday before the election....

she was on "Face The Nation" predicting a comfortable victory for Romney. She didn't know what the hell she's talking about then and now she is still talking out of her ass here. I haven't seen her since the election say anything about how her prediction was wrong like Dick Morris and Newt Gingrich have.

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