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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:47 PM

Is it California's Turn to Legalize Marijuana?

When news broke on the evening of November 6 that Colorado had become the first state to legalize cannabis for adults 21 and older, patrons at the trendy Casselman's Bar & Venue in Denver erupted in cheers before they hugged each other and cried. Onstage, organizers and friends of the Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol thanked those who had gathered — the elderly African-American ladies, the young hipsters, the business execs. There were far more people in suits, however, than in tie-dye in attendance that night, and there was nary a hint of ganja smoke in the hip establishment.

Pragmatism trumped counter-cultural rebellion again a few hours later in Seattle's Hotel Ändra, where travel writer Rick Steves joined business leaders and members of the ACLU, along with Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes, in thanking volunteers for making history in that state. Last week, Washington's Initiative 502 went into effect, and Colorado's Amendment 64 was implemented on Monday. Prosecutors in both states have already been dismissing simple possession cases by the thousands.

But cheers for Colorado and Washington on election night were accompanied by a bit of jealousy here in California, where voters narrowly defeated the pot legalization measure Proposition 19 in 2010. "A lot of people have said to me, 'How come we couldn't do that last election?'" remarked Stephen Downing, a retired Los Angeles Police Department deputy chief and a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP).

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NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, has planned a conference on legalization for January 26 and 27 at Fort Mason in San Francisco. NORML, the Marijuana Policy Project, the Drug Policy Alliance, LEAP, Americans for Safe Access, the Emerald Growers Association, and the Oaksterdam community in Oakland, have been holding both public and private talks as well. "No question about it," said Bill Zimmerman, who helped run California's successful Proposition 215 medical marijuana initiative in 1996. "A lot of people in California are starting to talk about a future campaign — certainly the debate about 2014 versus 2016, all that's being engaged."


http://www.alternet.org/it-californias-turn-legalize-marijuana

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:06 PM

1. The growers don't want it legalized.

They're making a fortune with the laws just the way they are, unfortunately.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:32 PM

2. 2016 in CA

They big growers have to come to the table if they want any kind of preferential tax treatment
There are not enough of them now to derail a well planned and well funded initiative. If they don't engage with the proponents they risk being overrun by corporate America, which will be involved in legal bud, no doubt.

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Response to musiclawyer (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:54 PM

6. Corporate America will not be involved

until marijuana is made legal under federal law.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:32 PM

3. CA should follow CO & WA and nullify federal laws prohibiting recreational use of marijuana. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:52 PM

5. Nobody nullified any federal laws.

Marijuana is still illegal anywhere in the US under federal law.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:06 PM

7. CO & WA laws were acts of nullification regardless of your or my opinion. nt

 

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:18 PM

9. Please provide link to SCOTUS opinion finding Tenth Amendment has been repealed. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:27 PM

10. Just as soon as you provide a link

that says the federal marijuana laws don't apply in WA or CO. I live in California, and the feds arrest medical marijuana growers in my county regularly. Fantacise all you want about the 10th ammendment, Marijuana is illegal under federal law in all 50 states, and that is a fact. The Supreme Court has ruled in the area of Marijuana as regards to the 10th amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Commerce_clause

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:46 PM

13. Nullification per Jefferson&Madison is states exercising their Tenth Amendment power, see link below

 

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Response to jody (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:16 PM

14. Already been tried with marijuana.

As per my link re the commerce clause, the Supreme Court already ruled that the federal laws stand. Perhaps with a few more strategic appointments to the court during Obama's second term, that can change, but for now it stands, and nothing has been nullified.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:16 PM

15. Agree a different court can reverse earlier decisions effectively "making the law" as opposed to

 

claims that the court only "interprets the law".

That's exactly the point Jefferson & Madison made with "nullification" and the powers retained by sovereign states and the compact they ratified we call our Constitution.

Jefferson & Madison pointed out that the Supreme Court is itself a part of Government and over time could become incapable of being a neutral arbiter between state governments and their creation, the federal government.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:33 PM

4. It failed a mid-term election, but it wouldn't fail in 2016.

 

Conservatives vote in mid-terms a lot more than liberals do.

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Response to Neon2012 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:12 AM

11. We Will Vote in 2014 or

we are fucking losers.

I think Dems learned a lesson about not voting in 2010

But I do agree, better chance in 2016.

64 got 53,000 more votes than Obama, because the kids believe a lot of the One World Order crap they hear from Alex Jones.

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