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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:06 AM

Is the NRA to us, what ACORN was to the right???

The more I read and hear about the shenanigans of the NRA and their power, the more concerned I get.

In 2005 they were able to have congress pass legislation and George Sign a bill exempting all gun manufacturers from liability...

This 501c3 lobby group has too much power, we need to find ways to limit their influence over our elected officials..

They want to make accessible the mental health records of those who buy guns, but do not allow a central registry of those who bought weapons????

Today in the WaPo another article emerges..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2012/12/17/ef280abc-4877-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a division of the Justice Department, is supposed to regulate the nations gun industry. But many within ATF say it is the industry that dominates the agency.

The gun lobby, concerned about government regulation of firearms ownership, has taken steps to limit the resources available to ATF and to prevent the agency from having a strong leader, according to former and current ATF officials.

For decades, the National Rifle Association has lobbied successfully to block all attempts to computerize records of gun sales, arguing against any kind of national registry of firearms ownership. And despite the growth of the gun industry and the nations population, ATF has fewer agents today than it did nearly four decades ago: fewer than 2,500.

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Reply Is the NRA to us, what ACORN was to the right??? (Original post)
Mtndreamer Dec 2012 OP
ywcachieve Dec 2012 #1
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #29
Scuba Dec 2012 #2
madaboutharry Dec 2012 #3
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #10
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #4
oldhippydude Dec 2012 #5
Enrique Dec 2012 #6
Crunchy Frog Dec 2012 #7
union_maid Dec 2012 #8
Overseas Dec 2012 #15
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #17
jberryhill Dec 2012 #9
Overseas Dec 2012 #16
bamacrat Dec 2012 #11
Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #12
graham4anything Dec 2012 #28
oddoneout Dec 2012 #13
catbyte Dec 2012 #14
Iggo Dec 2012 #18
brooklynite Dec 2012 #19
libodem Dec 2012 #20
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #21
jimmy the one Dec 2012 #22
Sheepshank Dec 2012 #23
TeamPooka Dec 2012 #24
Mtndreamer Dec 2012 #25
orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #26
graham4anything Dec 2012 #27
Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #30

Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:14 AM

1. WHAT? My goodness, ACORN was a group that registered voters, and got out the vote.

How in heavens name can you put them in the same category as a GUN LOBBY group, the NRA?

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:23 AM

29. Agreed...

ACORN was a grassroots community organization. The NRA is an industry lobbying group masquerading as a grassroots organization. ACORN made it easier for people to vote. The NRA makes it easier for people to kill. ACORN spends virtually nothing trying to promote legislation, the NRA spends millions.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:16 AM

2. Crazy talk.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:16 AM

3. There is nothing equal about these organizations

I don't get how you can even make a comparison.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:22 AM

10. Is the Pope an Eskimo?

I'm not saying he is. I'm just asking. (sarcasm)

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:25 AM

4. ACORN helped the poor

by promoting affordable housing and helping the poor register to vote.

The NRA is the well-funded lobbying arm of the gun industry. The only similarity to ACORN is that the NRA tries to get people to vote - though, the NRA is only interested in getting its members to vote. ACORN would have helped anybody that wanted to vote, though they were primarily focused in the cities.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:43 AM

5. low thread count

must say I'm concerned

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:44 AM

6. i'm not seeing the comparison

what does any of what you posted about the NRA have to do with ACORN?

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:57 AM

7. No.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:07 AM

8. The NRA has lots of power

Acorn was just another underfunded agency that helped low income people. In addition to helping people register to vote, they ran clinics to help people do their income taxes at no charge and helped people apply for benefits, like public assistance or food stamps or whatever they were qualified for. At least that's some of what they did in our area. They got targeted by the right and just became one of the imaginary boogeymen that the RW needs so much. The NRA and the power it's accrued is all too real.

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Response to union_maid (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:57 AM

15. +1

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Response to union_maid (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:57 AM

17. ACORN became a concern

when their voter registration drives became noticeable in 2008 - Republicans were determined to stop them because a disproportionate number of the people they registered to vote were poor minorities.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:13 AM

9. Uh, no

Despite the overworked imagination of right wingers, Acorn was not a lobbying group, and primarily helped poor people navigate the bureaucracy

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:57 AM

16. +1

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:43 AM

11. Not in reality but ...

it seems to becoming as politically toxic. True one is a great organization who mobilizes people to take part in the most American of acts: voting. The other is a vile organization that promotes lies to better their agenda and hold those who lack basic common sense hostage and in fear of a violent government take over.

Hopefully the NRA will become as big a liability to pukes as ACORN was for us.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:01 AM

12. Lobbyists versus community support

The reason ACORN was eviscerated was because they registered voters who were more likely democratic. Just like the attempted destruction of the unions (who generally support and contribute to Democrats), ACORN's destruction was for political gain.

NRA, conversely, is a lobbyist organization who is contributing to the violence in America.

The focus on NRA is not political--indeed they are so strong, the focus is on NRA despite politics.

The destruction of ACORN was completely, and solely manufactured for republican's political benefit.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:38 AM

28. Why do the people who love guns hate unions anyhow?

 

at least in the NY/NJ/PA area, the gun lovers tend to work union jobs yet hate unions,
yet take union benefits while fighting for the end of them

WHY?

Someone on another thread about the publishing of names of NRA members said something to the effect what if union names were published that i wouldn't want to go there

and I think, why? I am not ashamed of anything a union ever did

but I am ashamed of everything the nra ever did

so where is the connection?

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:40 AM

13. no

 

this is not the same at all!

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:42 AM

14. No. ACORN did nothing but help people and the GOP hated that. What good is the NRA?

Nothing but a gun nut/manufacturers lobbying group. Whatever good they might have done is long gone.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:10 AM

18. No.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:17 PM

19. No, more like the ACLU was to them 20 years ago.

Taking the constitutional principle of free speech and carrying it to the extremes always got Republicans worked up.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:58 PM

20. I was listening to NPR in the car

And there is even legislation against publishing what type of gun was used in which crimes. They are a self protection agency, literally.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:43 PM

21. I see what you're doing. Nice try.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:15 PM

22. NRA, BATF's full time enemy, part time friend

mtn dreamer: The gun lobby, concerned about govt regulation of firearms ownership, has taken steps to limit the resources available to ATF and to prevent the agency from having a strong leader, according to former and current ATF officials

That's the NRA in it's nutshell - complain about the BATF (bur alcohol tobacco & firearms, explosives now too for BATFE), while hogtieing it so it can't perform as well as it could.
.. & it's been going on for decades as you say. NRA complained so much about BATF in the 70's & 80's that reagan took NRA's advice & was going to dismantle BATF & switch firearm control to the secret service, but NRA SUDDENLY realized that if secret service, or fbi, took over firearm control, it would be far more harsh than their BATF patsy.

JPFO, a pro gun group actually: The N.R.A.s campaign was so effective that in 1981 President Reagan announced he would make good on a campaign promise to dismantle ATF. But he underestimated the depth of respect accorded the bureau among other law-enforcement agencies and was forced to backpedal.
He announced later that he would still demolish ATF but assign its agents to the U.S. Secret Service. ATF agents, who saw the shift as conferring instant prestige, loved the idea; the N.R.A., however, realized it was about to lose one of its best fund-raising assets. Suddenly the N.R.A. rode to ATFs rescue, blocking its demise. The reversal drew an acid appraisal from New Jersey Representative William Hughes, who accused the association of retreating because the Secret Service "might actually take the functions seriously and not be so easy to intimidated....


THE N.R.A. IS BEYOND DOUBT THE ATFS most committed opponent. Over the years the 3.5 million-member organization has built an infrastructure to ensure that far-flung cases of alleged ATF abuse get direct scrutiny from Congress. The organization is relentless.
The N.R.A.s favorite strategy in harrying the agency is to publicize individual cases of alleged ATF abuses, in the process ignoring the thousands of investigations that conform even to the N.R.A.s own anticrime platform.
In 1994 ATF recommended 10,000 defendants for prosecution, of whom 47% were previously convicted felons.
The N.R.A.s atrocity stories typically omit details that might muddy its anti-ATF message.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:09 PM

23. I *think* I know where you were going with this

Not necessarily comparing the groups per se, but the trying to draw an equivalency to their effect on the opposing party?

Except that even then, I know way too many people from the Right that will have nothing to do with the NRA and are concerned over their undue influence of policy making. Something that the Left didn't worry about regarding ACORN.

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:32 AM

24. no, but I will laugh at and mock this idea for months to come. nt

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:01 AM

25. The right used ACORN as some type of rallying cry and was effective is shutting it down,

we need the same fervor not to forget the carnage and try to do the same to the NRA..

This small group of people have pretty much dictated the conversation on the control of guns, and we need to strengthen our resolve to make sure that their power is limited...

It would appear that this 501 C3 organization has gained much political favor the years, so much so that it has completely tainted any semblance of efforts to do right about the american people.. democrats are as complicit as the republicans..

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:20 AM

26. More than a scam, the ' National Rationalize Anything ' CLUB, is more like

antebellum Americans trying to justify slavery .

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:35 AM

27. The NRA is aiding and abetting the mass murder of 10s of thousands. Acorn signed up voters

 

it is an insane comparrison

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Response to Mtndreamer (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

30. The NRA fear-mongers to get people to keep buying their merchandise

and signing up with their organization. ACORN helped low-income people get to the polls. NRA lied that PBO intended to ban all guns. ACORN did not slander any Republicans.

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