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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:09 PM

At what point

will (some) people realize that nobody is coming to their home to grab their guns? Back in the 1990's, the NRA told us repeatedly that it was just a matter of time before President Clinton, Janet Reno, and the "jack-booted thugs" at the ATF- in conjunction with the UN, of course- would be kicking down every law-abiding gun owner's doors and confiscating their weapons and re-locating them to a FEMA concentration camp yet nothing even remotely of the sort happened for the 8 years of Clinton's Presidency.

I believe that they were mostly silent during the Bush years (they seem to only believe that Democrats can be tyrants? ) despite his (mis-)administration taking real liberties with our liberties- the sort of things that the NRA and wingnuts would howl about during a Democratic Presidency.

Since President Obama was first elected in 2008, they went right back to insisting that it was only a matter of time before President Obama would grab their guns and gun and ammo sales have shot through the roof these past four years despite the absence of any legislation and/or administration policies curtailing gun rights (he has, however, signed laws EXPANDING gun rights, as have many states). Now that he has been re-elected, they are still proclaiming the end of individual gun ownership as we know it. During this past election, Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was arguing that if President Obama wins a second term that he would have a free hand to do what he wants with guns. Other conspiracy theorists have turned their attention to this UN International Arms Treaty that's going to strip them of their gun rights- if approved. I have FB acquaintance who happens to be a real wingnut (didn't know this when I friended him) pointing to a March UN conference where this treaty is set to be discussed as being the next "doomsday" target for gun owners.

My question is, what is it going to take to get people like him to calm down and stop freaking out about something that is never going to happen- or at least is so improbable it might as well never happen? Or IS there anything that we CAN do? People like this guy keep darkly hinting at things like a "Second Civil War" if the government tries to take their guns away (though just about any discussion of gun control- not total bans- invariably sets them off). However, I can't help sometimes but think that they are not so much concerned about the possibility of not ever being able to get a gun (with so many ways to get one, presently) but rather that they seem to be looking for an excuse and/or "justification" to use them against "the government" or people they find threatening or simply don't like. I mean, what's the point of people stockpiling massive amounts of guns and ammo if they don't plan to use them eventually for..........something? How are people even affording to spend all this money on guns and ammo and to what end, really? They can't sit there and make me seriously believe that they need a huge stockpile of weapons to protect themselves and their family. Protect them from what? Who? This isn't some lawless anarchic state where a person's daily survival actually literally depends on having weapons on them at all times yet in some states the list of places where guns cannot be taken seems to be growing shorter and shorter despite the absence of some growing threat of lawlessness and/or actual danger.

What gives? I just don't get it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:28 AM

1. sadly

 

Many of those people cite Ruby Ridge, Waco and Elian Gonzalez.

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Response to Superbot (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:21 AM

3. Those situations were legitimate law enforcement operations (as I understand it)

Interesting the right sided with criminals/people defying court orders in those situations (esp. Waco). The Gonzalez situation was mostly blown out of proportion due to the right's irrational hatred of Cuba.

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Response to Superbot (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 10:31 AM

4. Ruby Ridge happened under George HW Bush

And Elian Gonzales was returned to his father with nobody being hurt. Do these nutjobs think it would've been preferable if the family had shot at law enforcement?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:23 AM

2. My father in law once said if gun owners give an inch (on regulating guns)

that it's just the first insidious step to taking away their guns. He truly believed that. That's why true believers won't even talk about reasonable restrictions.

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