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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:30 AM

Tagg Romney: Mitt had “no desire” to run


A behind the scenes account in the Boston Globe finds cluelessness at the Romney campaign's highest levels

BY DAVID DALEY

Just how bad was Mitt Romney’s campaign? So bad that top Republican officials are now trying to “reverse engineer” his race to make sure no GOP candidate ever makes the same mistakes.

According to a behind-the-scenes story of the Romney campaign in today’s Boston Globe — by reporters Michael Kranish and Scott Holman, who co-authored the biography “The Real Romney” — Mitt’s aides are still in disbelief over what hit them.

It describes a campaign that was deeply divided on whether to run on Romney’s biography or on his business record. Ultimately, the paper reports, Romney sided with campaign manager Stuart Stevens rather than with the family members who wanted to stress his biography.

Among the revelations in the story:

* Romney’s Ohio director had no idea what Obama’s campaign was doing with all of its ground-game power. In a hilarious quote, Rich Beeson tells the paper: “Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and ­offices. They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters.”

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more:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/23/tagg_romney_mitt_had_no_desire_to_run/

Link to Boston Globe article:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/2012/12/23/the-story-behind-mitt-romney-loss-the-presidential-campaign-president-obama/2QWkUB9pJgVIi1mAcIhQjL/story.html

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Reply Tagg Romney: Mitt had “no desire” to run (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2012 OP
ywcachieve Dec 2012 #1
Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #2
Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #34
monmouth3 Dec 2012 #3
Cha Dec 2012 #24
lunatica Dec 2012 #4
DFW Dec 2012 #5
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #8
Wounded Bear Dec 2012 #17
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #28
karynnj Dec 2012 #6
Cha Dec 2012 #25
dimbear Dec 2012 #30
Sunlei Dec 2012 #7
Rozlee Dec 2012 #9
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #12
Rozlee Dec 2012 #13
Sunlei Dec 2012 #14
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #10
NICO9000 Dec 2012 #19
Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #11
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #15
JHB Dec 2012 #21
LynneSin Dec 2012 #16
Mz Pip Dec 2012 #18
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #20
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #22
JHB Dec 2012 #23
Cha Dec 2012 #26
Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #31
rurallib Dec 2012 #27
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #29
Cosmocat Dec 2012 #33
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #37
Malikshah Dec 2012 #32
Superbot Dec 2012 #35
MurrayDelph Dec 2012 #36

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:33 AM

1. {{{{shaking head}}}}

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:34 AM

2. He is re-writing history

The man ran for president for...7 years

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:11 PM

34. yep.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:47 AM

3. So he ran twice...This is not the way to save face...LOL..

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Response to monmouth3 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:32 PM

24. Well, that's the romneys for ya.. always doing the wrong

thing. How much better it would have been to come out and say; "they all fought hard(read LIE) because dad wanted it and thought he could do a good job"?

Now.. they've only given accurate well deserved talking points to their oppostition.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:50 AM

4. No retroactive reverse engineering will give them a clue either

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:56 AM

5. What a revolutionary concept for an election!

Creating contact with voters. Amazing!! Your goal is trying to get people to vote for your candidate and here, the opposing campaign comes up with the unheard-of concept of talking to them. Wow, no wonder they won. Who would EVER have thought up such a brilliant devious scheme?

I'll tell y'all what's unbelievable--not that Obama's people thought to do that, but that Romney's people DIDN'T!!!

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Response to DFW (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:43 AM

8. Republicans don't like voters and don't want to talk to them because Republican

ideas don't present well. They are too crazy. They make no sense.

You have to be a true believer in -- well -- Republican ideas in order to talk with someone who wants to talk about Republican ideas.

When Republicans try to talk to voters, the Republicans just get embarrassed. That is the problem.

Republicans need to rethink the fundamentals about what their party stands for.

Born-again, fundamentalist Christians pretty much can only talk to each other about their fundamentalist, Christian ideas.

Same for the Ayn Rand types. Most people just don't buy into those ideas.

Republicans won when they talked about family values, but once their own lack of family values came to light, they couldn't win on that point any more.

Ahhhh, the poor Republicans.

What they need to do to win is to become Democrats, proud and free Democrats.

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Response to DFW (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:40 PM

17. It's the vast left wing conspiracy....

They should talk to Bernie Sanders, a socialist who wins cycle after cycle in a rather conservative state. Yes, upper New England is fairly conservative, and was for many years a stronghold of fiscal/economic conservative Republicans. The "Southern Revolution" of the last couple of decades have pretty much rooted that out.

How does Bernie do it? Mostly by going around and holding town hall meetings and talking to voters. He's famous for that.

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Response to DFW (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:56 PM

28. exactly!! d'oh -- but it shouldn't surprise us. The Republicans generally seem to have a

missing piece where it counts.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:16 AM

6. Gee, don't all of us spend nearly all our time for 8 years working for things we don't want?

Very few people in each generation have the chance to be their party's nominee. If you ignored that people are the nominee more than once and assumed that the probability was equal for all birth years, it would be 1/ (4 * the average number of births in the period you are speaking of). Note this is an over estimate as there often are incumbents running again.

If you define a generation as a dozen years, there are usually no more than 6 people who become their party's nominee. This does not just happen.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:33 PM

25. The Romneys cannot stop

insulting the Intelligence of the American People.

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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:11 PM

30. Zing!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:17 AM

7. We have to thank republicans for that lame primary.

The billion they squandered in the 50 states gave a lot of people jobs and was a nice economic stimulus.

Saddest thing was when they stuffed bloggers with mac n cheese, pulled pork and open bar. Was sad, they killed poor Breibart with that heat attack diet and making him scream at protesters.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:07 PM

9. He might be right.

ANN ROMNEY wanted Mittens to win the presidency more than anything in the world. Mitt was just the hapless hostage.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:48 PM

12. I disagree. I think the LDS CHURCH wanted Rmoney to win the presidency

more than anything in the world. I think they ORDERED him to run, and being an obedient member, he did.

They overlooked the fact that they couldn't MAKE him want to win.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:31 PM

13. Huh.

That makes sense. Got to be a good little cultist.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:29 PM

14. interesting point, maybe in their secret meetups they believed Mitt was the chosen one.

Could be that blind faith. I think it was more the republicans running the show, wanted someone really clueless in the presidents seat, so they could continue to bleed Americas Federal and State funds into their pockets.

Romney never was presidential material at all, never.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:32 PM

10. Thus the real takeaway from this election:

A huge portion of the country these days will vote for the Republican no matter what, no matter how awful they are.

Not only did Romney run one of the worst campaigns ever, Obama ran one of the best (again, along with his 2008 campaign). Given that, I don't think many people -- if anyone -- could have done much better than Obama did

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:07 PM

19. + 1000!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:41 PM

11. I have no desire for him to run either.

It's a lie he didn't want to run! Another LIE! Why the hell had he been campaigning for 6 years?
He and Ann both wanted to be President Romney and clothes horse First Lady. They just feared the pain of being losers again. But they wanted the presidency so much...it overrode their fears.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:31 PM

15. He just wanted a coronation, not an actual contest.

I don't think he really wanted the job either, just the power.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:24 PM

21. He has that "I'm a CEO! What do you mean I have to APPLY for a job?" attitude.

The article stressed how much the family wanted to stress "what kind of person he was" through anecdotes about people he helped.

But that also shows the disconnect: there are relatively few "warped frustrated old men" of the Mr. Potter/Ebeneezer Scrooge vein who are uniformly sour. Most people can find it in themselves to be kind to individuals.

The key is when that gets abstracted a level and one starts thinking of groups. At that level, how freely do your prejudices flow? Romney put his on display in the 47% video, and has followed up showing it in his post-election excuse-making about "gifts".

So Romney proposed months of intense preparation, with 16 mock debates. (Obama did 11.) Then, just as Romney seemed ready, the campaign ­received news that a video had been leaked in which the candidate characterized 47 percent of Americans as “victims” who wanted government benefits and would never vote for him. That left the impression that Romney was referring not just to people on welfare but also to recipients of Social Security and veterans benefits. It seemed to confirm the worst view of ­Romney, that he didn’t care about average people. His poll numbers plummeted

Yeah, it left that impression... because to hit that 47% number, you are talking about Social Security recipients and veterans. And people on unemployment for economic reasons that Mitt only had experience in exacerbating, not counterbalancing. And people who do work at a job (or jobs) using Republican-supported tax credits, so that the income tax liability on their low-paying jobs is zero.

People noticed that it was the most honest he'd been in the entire campaign. The rest was all "Who let the dogs out". Months and months of it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:31 PM

16. Lets hope tagg and the rest of the romney's feel that way

Good riddance

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:45 PM

18. Sour grapes

Do they really expect us to believe that the guy who ran for 7 years didn't really want it? Ha Ha.

He wanted it so much he thought he had it in the bag and put together a $8.9 million transition plan that now has to be paid by the tax payers.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:56 PM

20. But he was the White Horse!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:00 PM

22. Romney is retroactively NOT running for president...

Gotcha, there, Tagg.

Tagg -- Isn't the name of a popular end table at Ikea?

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:15 PM

23. Oh, that definitely earns a +1

"retroactively NOT running"

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:40 PM

26. Got it..

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:48 AM

31. I beat you to it.....

Romney announcements 11/6/2012 10:59 Eastern

I retroactively retired from my position as GOP candidate for the office of President.
Posted by Fresh_Start | Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:51 PM (0 replies)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:43 PM

27. Looks like little Tagg has Daddy's gift for lying

May it take you far Tagg - from America.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:40 PM

29. How could someone

run for a office for 6 years and go through two bruising primaries and not really want the office? How could he be shellshocked after the loss and even ordered a fire works to display to start the minute after he won, if he did not want or expect to win? Romney wanted the office but did not want to be properly vetted (taxes ect) that went along with it. He did not like campaigning and mixing up with who he views as the help either. Tagg, seems to be a chip off of the old block. A damned liar.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:05 PM

33. That is it in nutshell

he darn well wanted the job.

he just didn't feel that he needed to do what was needed to get it

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:33 AM

37. Not to mention all the personal money he spent. IIRC, the first time around it was like $50 million,

How much money would he have spent if he REALLY wanted to be President?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:35 AM

32. Damn, these reporters/folks just don't get it. Ignore the substance...it's all about form!!!

What complete and utter tripe.

Romney-- you lost because your vision of the country is skewed in the wrong direction, pure and simple.

Give it the fuck up, pollsters.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:37 AM

35. I'm guessing he was made to say this

 

What a nail in the coffin!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:03 AM

36. Is it sour grapes, or

their own belief in themselves:

i.e. If Mitt really wants something, he gets it.
He didn't get it, therefore
He didn't really want it.

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