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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:37 AM

Columbine High School Had Armed Guard During Massacre In 1999

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Columbine High School Had Armed Guard During Massacre In 1999

WASHINGTON -- In a highly anticipated press conference on Friday, the National Rifle Association announced that after a week of reflection following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, it decided the way to prevent another such tragedy was to place more guns in schools.

"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school -- and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January," said the NRA's top lobbyist Wayne LaPierre in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C.

But having armed security on-site failed to prevent the deadliest mass shooting at an American high school.

In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."


So there you go - TWO Armed guards at a school and yet Harris & Klebold still pulled off that school massacre.

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LynneSin Dec 2012 OP
Texas-Limerick Dec 2012 #1
CBHagman Dec 2012 #2
Heather MC Dec 2012 #3
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #7
onehandle Dec 2012 #4
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #5
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #6
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #8
lancer78 Dec 2012 #10
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #11
Wounded Bear Dec 2012 #9
courseofhistory Dec 2012 #12

Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:01 AM

1. The Columbine guard was not wearing his glasses!

 

But was wearing non-prescription sunglasses when he fired at Harris.

"Might Gardner have had a better chance of hitting Harris if he'd been wearing his glasses? When the two traded shots, 11 of the 13 people killed by Harris and Dylan Klebold were still alive.
"If his vision is 20/30, no big deal," said James Rouse, an attorney who represents six families. "If it's 20/300, what's he doing shooting a gun?"

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:18 AM

2. I hadn't known about this until this week either.

It certainly ought to affect the conversation (or is it shouting match?) we're having now about the appropriate response to the Newtown massacre.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:29 AM

3. These shootings are planned

An armed guard might work if someone shows up who just happened to drive by a school with an arsenal of weapons and just snaps. Unfortunately these shootings are usually planned in advance. The shooters have time to pick a target, case the target learn the movement of an armed guard. And then attack
Also a good guy would not fire unless he had a clean shot so having a good guy on the scene with a gun would not garantee anyones safety.

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:47 PM

7. Yes, an armed guard would have to be lucky...

to be in the right spot, at the right time, with a clear shot. In a surprise attack, the attackers have an initial advantage.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:50 AM

4. Three of the guns were from gun shows. Gun shows should be BANNED.

Timothy McVeigh virtually lived at gun shows.

Breeding grounds for domestic terrorism.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:14 PM

5. Yes, through a straw buyer.

They didn't buy them directly. However, they couldn't have bought those three guns, and the fourth, if private sales were tightly regulated.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:40 PM

6. Yes, he exchanged shots with Harris early in the incident, from about 60 yards away.

Glasses or not, it's pretty hard to hit a target at that range with a pistol.
It should be noted that at that time, police procedure was to secure the perimeter, and wait for SWAT teams to arrive to enter the building. Following that shooting, procedures have changed. Now, the standard tactic is to not wait for SWAT team, but to enter the building and engage the gunmen, even if out-numbered.
The SWAT Teams had a difficult time. No entire unit arrived on the scene, so the teams were formed ad hoc from several agencies, and had no time to plan. The building was huge, with a maze of corridors, and the teams had no floor plan of the school. The teams also had to deal with confusing and conflicting reports coming in; up to eight gunmen, a sniper on the roof, hostages being held, automatic weapons, and the gunmen wearing body armor. All were false, but slowed down the SWAT Teams as they searched the building room by room, and evacuated survivors and injured. Also, there were several live bombs the gunmen had left, and all the abandoned bookbags and backpacks had to be assumed to contain explosives. Not to mention fire alarms blaring, fire sprinklers running, standing water, smoke, and a gas leak. All in all, an extremely difficult situation.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:26 PM

8. Also...

Virginia Tech had its own police department...

And Fort Hood was a fucking military base, where just about everyone was armed.

Did that stop the spree shooters?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:59 PM

10. At most bases

only MPs (Military Police) are allowed to be armed.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:23 AM

11. Okay, so the base has its own police department,

Manned by folks who are real hardasses when compared to civilian cops.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:26 PM

9. Conservatives are great at proposing....

shit that has been proven to not work as solutions to problems they helped create.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:20 PM

12. Put a fence

around school campuses with a locked gate (decorative but difficult to scale or break through) such as wrought iron landscaped to give it a nice look instead of the look of a prison. Many schools already have chain link fences around certain areas.

Then have a building several hundred feet or at least as far away as permissible from the locked gate where people check in, are ID'd and searched. The school itself would have bullet proof windows and a double entry at all entrances with bullet proof glass and be able to be opened easily from the inside in case of an emergency by just pushing the bar on the door. Faculty and students will be instructed not to let people in themselves. The guards will do it either with a scan card given to the visitor which de-codes upon use and an alert to admin there is a visitor, are they expected, etc.? So the admin can greet the person and take them to the office.

This would be pretty effective and give students and teachers a sense of security witout feeling imprisoned. No system is cheap or 100% fool proof but this is the best thing I've come up with or heard proposed. Then the students aren't subjected to armed guards in the school, armed personnel who can have their guns stolen or used accidentally, etc.

It would be expensive, but then what are young people's lives worth?

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