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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:48 AM Dec 2016

Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling and focus on issues

I cringe every time I see progressives use these terms during political discussions. This kind of schoolyard "you're a poo-poo head" taunting makes us look childish and petty and takes away from the real, serious issues we're trying to address.

Referring to our adversaries by their actual names won't normalize or elevate them or diminish our position. In fact, it will make it easier for us to get across our point.

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Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling and focus on issues (Original Post) EffieBlack Dec 2016 OP
Nope Amishman Dec 2016 #1
Agree! MoonRiver Dec 2016 #2
I'm with you. we can do it Dec 2016 #12
I'm with you, too. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #40
looks amateurish and weak... maybe a little crazy. sfwriter Dec 2016 #147
Feels good but is childish. I do it myself too though. dionysus Dec 2016 #160
He is a terrorist monster and I wont call him anything respectful ever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #3
And yet you have an avatar of Jimmy Carter... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #5
Your concern is noted. libtodeath Dec 2016 #9
Yes, he IS. Do you agree or were you being sarcastic? MoonRiver Dec 2016 #11
Good luck getting moderates or independents to hear your MESSAGE. n/t BP2 Dec 2016 #13
If they are racist supporters of his they can go fuck themselfs libtodeath Dec 2016 #15
What if... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #17
What if they voted for one? libtodeath Dec 2016 #19
There are very few moderates that would flip on name calling, I don't understand this line of thinki uponit7771 Dec 2016 #23
I Agree ... Can we stand for something better? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #4
Here we go again atreides1 Dec 2016 #16
Yes, here we go again... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #20
No, we just don't normalize them, that's not smart to do... ridicule their stupid so they always fee uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24
Okay, lets keep marginalizing almost 1/2 of America HopeAgain Dec 2016 #27
This is a RWTP, you know that right? Seeing that it wasn't 1/2 of America and the plurality of ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #29
Not acting like a ten year old is normalizing? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #32
Yeap, again... read the bad parts of history and don't repeat it. uponit7771 Dec 2016 #33
Why don't you make this same argument at Free Republic re: Trump Lil Missy Dec 2016 #95
We are by far the majority so maybe we ought to actually act it. libtodeath Dec 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Dec 2016 #34
I think you replied to the wrong post. libtodeath Dec 2016 #36
sorry !!! edited uponit7771 Dec 2016 #37
No problem,I want that entire evil family and their supporters to be shamed forever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #39
Yes, and historically and even now with ISIS recruits from the west shame and fringe and ridicule is uponit7771 Dec 2016 #42
+1, I totally agree with this line of thinking (now that I've aligned the post correctly K :-) ) uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38
Calling them by their names doesn't "normalize" them EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49
We agree, it doesn't normalize them and labeling them via demeaning names doesn't either but demeani uponit7771 Dec 2016 #58
You are 100% correct, but Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #82
To me they are because they voted for one. libtodeath Dec 2016 #18
Biden doesn't agree HopeAgain Dec 2016 #45
Yeah because a sitting vice president doesnt have to temper his words ever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #48
Because if there's anything Biden is known for, it's tempering himself mythology Dec 2016 #148
And it's why we lose MFM008 Dec 2016 #55
HERR TRUMPENSTEIN CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF!! How's that? RBInMaine Dec 2016 #86
I agree with you... Blanks Dec 2016 #6
Yes, let's respect him. tavernier Dec 2016 #7
You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #10
We didn't lose because we took the high ground HopeAgain Dec 2016 #14
Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2016 #87
I never said respect him EffieBlack Dec 2016 #50
And ISIS gets their point across by cutting off heads and attacking crowds and torture mythology Dec 2016 #149
Sorry... tavernier Dec 2016 #151
You're right, he has issues BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #8
I call him Trump, just Trump.... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #21
************* DO NOT NORMALIZE BENEDICT DONALD TO ANY DEGREE !!!! ********** uponit7771 Dec 2016 #22
No. I think people should use whatever terminology they prefer. MineralMan Dec 2016 #25
+1, relegate the fringe to the fringe normalizing them has never worked for any society uponit7771 Dec 2016 #43
This! + 1000 - k&r eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #44
I totally agree Mineral Man. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #121
*Pooty Poot* has to be the most idiotic. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #26
Despite all the "Dumbya" and "Chimperor" nicknames... Orsino Dec 2016 #28
Here we go again---demands that Democrats pull their punches. Paladin Dec 2016 #31
How is not calling people stupid names "pulling our punches?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #88
It's indicative of a conciliatory mindset which we can't afford, anymore. Paladin Dec 2016 #97
I guess I live in a different reality where not calling someone childish names is not EffieBlack Dec 2016 #98
You fight the battle your way, I'll fight it my way. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #99
I am tired of the morality police on DU. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #35
Nobdy is saying you can't call names HopeAgain Dec 2016 #46
Re: Nobdy is saying you can't call names SFnomad Dec 2016 #79
X 1000 MFM008 Dec 2016 #56
Spot-on, hamsterjill ailsagirl Dec 2016 #84
Well said. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #100
Thank you! hamsterjill Dec 2016 #107
Same to you and yours. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #113
CrookedHillary. Croney Dec 2016 #41
I gave him a new middle name. I am calling him... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #116
Yes, that one stuck and did crazy damage Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #150
I can do both. zappaman Dec 2016 #47
TRASHED. I WILL CALL HIM WHATEVER I DAMN WELL WANT. DinahMoeHum Dec 2016 #51
I get what you're saying and have felt like that from time to time as well. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #52
Are you joking MFM008 Dec 2016 #53
EXACTLY mtnsnake Dec 2016 #59
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64
+10000000 ailsagirl Dec 2016 #90
You make a very important point, but so many seem to ignore it. HassleCat Dec 2016 #54
It cost us anyway MFM008 Dec 2016 #57
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit uponit7771 Dec 2016 #65
And there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point. HassleCat Dec 2016 #67
Red Herring, we're not talking about the stupid suppostiion of being perfect just factors outside of uponit7771 Dec 2016 #68
Yes, but what about factors within our control? HassleCat Dec 2016 #72
50 state all county... No doubt but that doesn't change the election uponit7771 Dec 2016 #73
You nailed it Kilgore Dec 2016 #103
How 'bout you do you and I do me? If referring to his 'American Psycho extras' Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #60
It does make you an immature idiot. Their names are "my brother Darrell and my other brother Squinch Dec 2016 #76
I agree renate Dec 2016 #61
Sorry. I refuse to give Twittler even the respect of using his name. Vinca Dec 2016 #62
No, stick with the name-calling. Didn't it work stopping Bush from a 2nd term? It's 24601 Dec 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author mtnsnake Dec 2016 #66
Yes it did, got us a dem congresss uponit7771 Dec 2016 #69
Years 7 & 8, whoopie..... 24601 Dec 2016 #89
You think the Dems won the Congress in 2006 because you called Bush "Chimpy?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #117
Link and quite even the intimation of such? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #119
You can forget about that. In my humble circles, he is President-elect Asshole mtnsnake Dec 2016 #70
Agree 100% It is not just childish, but rude karynnj Dec 2016 #71
No thanks. I'll continue to call him POS, because he's a piece of shit. JustinL Dec 2016 #74
Great job focussing on the important issues in your OP! You raise interesting points on many Squinch Dec 2016 #75
Recommended because that is my ideal however: JHan Dec 2016 #77
Nope Emilybemily Dec 2016 #78
I never use those names. I think prick is more accurate. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2016 #80
Words express our feelings. I rather like "clod"-- short and sweet ailsagirl Dec 2016 #91
"Bird-Doo Head" has always been one of my faves. NT End Of The Road Dec 2016 #110
Hah!! ailsagirl Dec 2016 #111
Trash works....he and his family....trash. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #169
"Deplorables" oasis Dec 2016 #81
I think we can do both ailsagirl Dec 2016 #83
Sure talk about issues but also SMASH HERR TRUMPENSTEIN and blacken his EYEBALLS! RBInMaine Dec 2016 #85
When they stop call us the "libtards"..... lastlib Dec 2016 #92
I'll call him whatever the fuck I want. BlueStater Dec 2016 #93
Polite Speak is For Bretheren. These are traitors who applaud our arch enemy. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #94
How about 'IL IGNORANTO'? applegrove Dec 2016 #96
I will always call him what he is: Don the Con. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2016 #101
We called Bush Chimpy, Dimson, Commander Codpiece, Junior, McCokespoon, and more for 8 years Miles Archer Dec 2016 #102
Suggestion: Herr TrumpenFurhrer can shove his wall UP HIS ASS! How's that? RBInMaine Dec 2016 #104
I routinely call him Dump NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #105
It's therapeutic ailsagirl Dec 2016 #108
sorry, I won't utter any name.... blue sky at night Dec 2016 #106
Name-calling is silly. I usually don't read posts HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #109
Exactly - but given the tone and passion of the responses here EffieBlack Dec 2016 #112
I already don't do that and I don't screech at people on airplanes. nt m-lekktor Dec 2016 #114
I agree. People who use such terms are always the same people who wonder why their Exilednight Dec 2016 #115
Taken seriously by who? n/t BlueStater Dec 2016 #118
by serious people. Exilednight Dec 2016 #122
No idea who that could be. BlueStater Dec 2016 #128
If you met President Obama and had the chance to ask him one question that you disagreed with him Exilednight Dec 2016 #130
No, because I respect the man and wouldn't curse in his presence. BlueStater Dec 2016 #132
I don't find that to be true. Exilednight Dec 2016 #133
lol ... So now we're advocating respect for this straight up asshole? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #120
adults know how to prove a point without name calling. Exilednight Dec 2016 #123
People who understand human pathology know to ridicule despots often, the people who are uponit7771 Dec 2016 #124
Just an FYI Exilednight Dec 2016 #125
Ignorance would be to ignore human pathology when it comes to despots no? I honestly want to know uponit7771 Dec 2016 #126
What human pathology are you speaking of? Exilednight Dec 2016 #127
No, that normalizing despots by NOT ridiculing them consummately uponit7771 Dec 2016 #136
I don't understand your premise. Exilednight Dec 2016 #137
My premise is he's a despot, not someone that just has policies people disagree with.. .that Bush uponit7771 Dec 2016 #141
I find Trump no worse than Bush. Exilednight Dec 2016 #146
I ... OBJECTIONABLY.... don't feel the need. I'm basing my actions on human pathology.... science uponit7771 Dec 2016 #152
I'm still trying to figure out what "pathology" you're speaking of. Exilednight Dec 2016 #154
Normalizing despots uponit7771 Dec 2016 #155
Where's the science? Exilednight Dec 2016 #156
I'll look through my post, it was in part a history of what the media did with Hitler during the 30s uponit7771 Dec 2016 #157
Yeah, how'd that work out on Nov 8 ? Cattledog Dec 2016 #129
So we try to beat him by behaving like him? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #140
LOL. BlueStater Dec 2016 #144
If you start a conversation with hey asshole stevebreeze Dec 2016 #131
I have no interest in trying to persuade the hateful, idiotic supporters of the orange tumor. BlueStater Dec 2016 #134
Agreed. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #135
Both can be done blue cat Dec 2016 #138
We won the popular vote blue cat Dec 2016 #139
I don't base my decisions on how I should conduct myself on how Republicans behave EffieBlack Dec 2016 #143
You do your thing; I'll do mine. Different Drummer Dec 2016 #142
yes. sfwriter Dec 2016 #145
Ridicule is the only appropriate response. longship Dec 2016 #153
Actually, ridicule is a very lame and ineffective response to someone who's about to become the most EffieBlack Dec 2016 #158
Not joking, RIDICULE!!! longship Dec 2016 #161
One would have to understand the difference between the too. Rex Dec 2016 #165
I cringe every time I see his name just written as is.. he needs Cha Dec 2016 #159
I have a job dealiing with the public... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #162
we can do both coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #163
I don't trust authoritarians very much, they are shitty control freaks. nt Rex Dec 2016 #164
Absolutely NO, infact hell NO! Raine Dec 2016 #166
I say FUCK Trump!!!! triron Dec 2016 #167
I tend to agree, and think intentional misspellings like "drumpf" are silly, but to each their own n jack_krass Dec 2016 #168

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
15. If they are racist supporters of his they can go fuck themselfs
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

we dont need or want them in the Democratic party.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
23. There are very few moderates that would flip on name calling, I don't understand this line of thinki
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Dec 2016

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
4. I Agree ... Can we stand for something better?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:02 AM
Dec 2016

Call me stupid, but I think there is room for Americans to still work together IF we stop with the close minded hate. Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist, and if we keep focusing on dividing, we will keep losing. The Republicans have enough rope to hang themselves, so let's provide a sane alternative when they do.

I am angry too, but satisfying my own frustrations and anger by striking out and name calling does not contribute to a sane America, it just makes others who disagree with me dig in their heels.

atreides1

(16,066 posts)
16. Here we go again
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016

"Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist,..."!!!

Not every German was a Nazi, and many supported Hitler because he promised jobs and a better economy...even after Kristallnacht!|

They did and said nothing while Hitler dehumanized all non-Aryans, they looked the other way when the "People's Court" tried, convicted, and executed dissenters...ever heard of the White Rose Society?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

Looking at history, that "not all Trump voters are..."excuse, just isn't good enough for me!!!





HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
20. Yes, here we go again...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

Are we there? Really? Cause if we are, then get your guns and start shooting...

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
24. No, we just don't normalize them, that's not smart to do... ridicule their stupid so they always fee
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

... feel outside the norm and always know Americans know they're fringe.

That's pretty much the tactic security agencies are taking with ISIS recruites... don't normalize them

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
29. This is a RWTP, you know that right? Seeing that it wasn't 1/2 of America and the plurality of ...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016

... Americans voted for the other person.

The rest of the loss is Comey, Russia and voter suppression everything else is guessing.

But to get back to the RWTP normalizing Benedict Donald and his Band Of Bigots is way more dangerous than calling him names the non independent Trump voters don't like.

I'll not repeat the bad parts of history ... I've learned from it

Response to libtodeath (Reply #30)

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
42. Yes, and historically and even now with ISIS recruits from the west shame and fringe and ridicule is
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:44 PM
Dec 2016

... what works because part of their motivation is glory.

If they're going to be religated to the stupid part of history it lets the wind out of their sales

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
49. Calling them by their names doesn't "normalize" them
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

But calling them stupid nicknames actually makes them caricatures, far less dangerous than they are, and makes us look childish and unserious.

This is very different than calling him and his supporters out for enabling racism and misogyny. But it is amusing to see some of the same people who insist that we must all be extraordinarily deferential and respectful to Trump voters turn around and call the guy they voted for stupid names.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
58. We agree, it doesn't normalize them and labeling them via demeaning names doesn't either but demeani
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:01 PM
Dec 2016

... names keeps up the label for others who don't know and establish's they're fringe often enough.

On this issue I'm going to go with history not my or other peoples feelings.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
45. Biden doesn't agree
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

Joe said:

“They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

article: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-interview-20161222-story.html

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
55. And it's why we lose
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:45 PM
Dec 2016

All this" respect"......
Our adversaries laugh at us
And always get the gold.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
6. I agree with you...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:05 AM
Dec 2016

I was a little disappointed in Robert Reich for calling him 'Drumpf' even though that's his actual family name.

Name calling is what THEY do, let's be better than that.

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
7. Yes, let's respect him.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:11 AM
Dec 2016


Seems to me he got his point across conducting the worst name calling campaign in history, and we lost through our mannerly and respectful approach.

You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig.

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
10. You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:14 AM
Dec 2016

SO agree with you.



(Great line by the way )

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
14. We didn't lose because we took the high ground
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

We lost for lots of reasons, but taking the high ground wasn't one of them. I don't respect Donald Trump and never will. I also will not lose respect for myself by selling out my principles, one of which is acting as a mature adult, not as a name-calling child.

Great leaders lead by example...

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
149. And ISIS gets their point across by cutting off heads and attacking crowds and torture
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:44 PM
Dec 2016

To quote somebody else who dealt with worse that being called names:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Clinton didn't lose because Trump called her names. She lost because of that stupid email server.

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
21. I call him Trump, just Trump....
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:04 PM
Dec 2016

whatever anybody else calls him is their business. Frankly, I don't care about shit like this.

Whining amongst ourselves about petty shit like this is exactly what they want us to do. You do your thing, everybody else will do theirs. All will be fine.

How is arguing about shit like this "focusing on issues?" If you want to focus on issues, post about issues and ignore the chaff.

Problem solved.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
25. No. I think people should use whatever terminology they prefer.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

I would not suggest that people refrain from mocking Donald Trump, if that is how they feel. One of the things we do that holds us back is to pretend to be polite when that is the last thing we want to do. While it's admirable to treat even adversaries as honorable, it's not practical when those adversaries are far from honorable.

I don't want Donald Trump to be normalized. I want him to be mocked, ridiculed and challenged at every turn.

So, no thanks on your suggestion. Sorry.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
28. Despite all the "Dumbya" and "Chimperor" nicknames...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:21 PM
Dec 2016

...I rather liked referring to 43 as President Bush as a reminder of the magnitude of the the fucking up he did.

President Trump will arrive in office with no idea of what he needs to do, no matter How many times it's explained to him. He simply has no interest in anything other than being a big shot, for which he'll receive four hundred large per year plus all the graft he can eat.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
31. Here we go again---demands that Democrats pull their punches.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:34 PM
Dec 2016

When will we ever learn?

If you want to play nice with the monster president-elect and the dimwits who put him over the top, go right ahead. I will refer to Trump and his hordes any way I damn well please, and I encourage others to do likewise.

We have a brilliant, classy, scandal-free President who, with his wonderful family, has graced the White House for the past eight years. The only major fault I can ascribe to Barack Obama is how politely he treated a bunch of scumbag republicans, who hated his guts and who limited his effectiveness in every way possible, for every year/month/day/hour/minute of his time in office. There is no point in being nice to the likes of Mitch McConnell, or Jeff Sessions, or Mike Pence, or Donald Trump. They do not appreciate conciliatory behavior---they depend on Democrats to play nice, and in return, they stab us in the back. Every time. This country stands in mortal peril because a demonstrably insane individual is about to assume the presidency. Diplomacy will not work against this new regime---be it in the halls of Congress, or a Democratic online site. It's already ugly, and God willing, it will get a lot uglier, until this unprecedented threat to the nation is removed.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
88. How is not calling people stupid names "pulling our punches?"
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:41 PM
Dec 2016

It's nothing of the kind - it's simply making a choice not to emulate the people we claim to disdain.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
97. It's indicative of a conciliatory mindset which we can't afford, anymore.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:33 AM
Dec 2016

I stand by my prior comments.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
98. I guess I live in a different reality where not calling someone childish names is not
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

evidence of conciliation.

Charles Hamilton Houston, Thurgood Marshall, Dorothy Height, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Bayard Rustin, Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, etc. helped to dismantle a wretched, degrading system without once publicly calling anyone out of their names.

I stand by them.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
35. I am tired of the morality police on DU.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:38 PM
Dec 2016

If the name calling offends you, you are welcome to set the example by not engaging in it. But please refrain from expecting everyone else to be like you.

We are all individuals here. We are all adults. We can moderate our own behavior.

Donald Trump's election is going to harm me and my family in serious ways. I will call the sonofabitch whatever I feel like calling him - and whatever I call him will never fully describe the vileness about him because he is the worst of the worst.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
46. Nobdy is saying you can't call names
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

They're just saying it won't help. Take what you like and leave the rest...

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
79. Re: Nobdy is saying you can't call names
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:07 PM
Dec 2016

Actually, that is exactly what the OP says ...

Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
84. Spot-on, hamsterjill
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:28 PM
Dec 2016
As for me, I'll never call him anything but drumpf which, after all, is his real name.

And I refuse to ever capitalize it.

It's all part of vehemently opposing the status quo


Croney

(4,656 posts)
41. CrookedHillary.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:43 PM
Dec 2016

I will never stop hating him for that verbal assault and all the others he rammed down our throats. I can't type his name. It sickens me.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
51. TRASHED. I WILL CALL HIM WHATEVER I DAMN WELL WANT.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:25 PM
Dec 2016
AND, I will work in my community to get rid of his politician followers and policies in any which way I can, by fair means or unfair.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
52. I get what you're saying and have felt like that from time to time as well.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

Unfortunately, this one will always be The Tangerine Nightmare to me.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
53. Are you joking
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:42 PM
Dec 2016

Use of a name denotes a form of respect.
That orange blob of shit is M A G G O T.
That's it.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
54. You make a very important point, but so many seem to ignore it.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:42 PM
Dec 2016

Part of the reason we lost is because we underestimated Trump. We spent a lot of time calling him names, reveling in how stupid he was, ridiculing his supporters and calling them cute names. Then we took it to the next level, getting into the mud pit to wrestle with him. It wasn't a good tactic for us, not our style, not what we do best. It cost us. I can't say it was the only factor in our loss, but it definitely contributed. We underestimated him, and his reality TV abilities. I think we have to take this guy seriously, because he is going to do some serious shit to our country, so thinking up cute names for him diverts our attention.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
67. And there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:43 PM
Dec 2016

We didn't make any mistakes. We were perfect. It was all "their fault." Your reply could easily qualify as sarcasm.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
68. Red Herring, we're not talking about the stupid suppostiion of being perfect just factors outside of
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

... our control which even if we were perfect doesn't change the outcome.

I'm not going to keep feeding the false sense of control by fooling myself into thinking those 3 factors weren't salient... I'll leave that up to other control freaks.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
72. Yes, but what about factors within our control?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:51 PM
Dec 2016

We lost by only 80,000 votes spread out over three states. A small difference in our approach might have made the difference.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,494 posts)
60. How 'bout you do you and I do me? If referring to his 'American Psycho extras'
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:05 PM
Dec 2016

spawn as Uday and Qusay makes me an immature idiot. So be it.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
76. It does make you an immature idiot. Their names are "my brother Darrell and my other brother
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:32 PM
Dec 2016

Darrell." From now on, get it right.

renate

(13,776 posts)
61. I agree
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:16 PM
Dec 2016

Call me a libtard or whatever, and my ears slam shut, even if whatever comes next is as eloquent as the Gettysburg Address. It makes a person sound childish.

We will never influence others in a positive way, or get them to even consider listening to other views, by insulting them.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
62. Sorry. I refuse to give Twittler even the respect of using his name.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Dec 2016

You can be grateful I don't use dirty adjectives every time I mention him by one of his Manbaby names.

24601

(3,955 posts)
63. No, stick with the name-calling. Didn't it work stopping Bush from a 2nd term? It's
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Dec 2016

sure to work the same way again.

Response to 24601 (Reply #63)

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
70. You can forget about that. In my humble circles, he is President-elect Asshole
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:48 PM
Dec 2016

or if I'm around little kids, I'll tone it down a notch and refer to him as Bloated Orange or The Orange Blob or something to that effect.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
71. Agree 100% It is not just childish, but rude
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:50 PM
Dec 2016

People doing it should remember how they would never have listened to any point made by someone referring to Obummer, Lurch or (any of the many despicable nicknames for Clinton). I know those names would have likely caused me to spend no time reading the comments.

JustinL

(722 posts)
74. No thanks. I'll continue to call him POS, because he's a piece of shit.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:10 PM
Dec 2016

He's a bigot, a sexual predator, and a con man. I have no respect for him, his voters, or his apologists.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
75. Great job focussing on the important issues in your OP! You raise interesting points on many
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:30 PM
Dec 2016

important issues! Just like you are telling others to do!



And no. A Twitler is a Twitler is a Twitler. He will always be Twitler to me.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
77. Recommended because that is my ideal however:
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

The Right used names against Hillary to great effect, "Crooked Hillary" was sadly effective this year and we didn't have anything to counter it - DonTheCon should have been ringing from our side.

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
91. Words express our feelings. I rather like "clod"-- short and sweet
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:21 PM
Dec 2016

Here are some more gems:

blockhead
boor
chump
dimwit
dolt
dumbbell
dunce
fool
imbecile
lout
oaf
simpleton

oasis

(49,326 posts)
81. "Deplorables"
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:30 PM
Dec 2016

I'm compelled to refer to Trumpkin supporters as such until "the last syllable of recorded time".

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
92. When they stop call us the "libtards".....
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:01 PM
Dec 2016

...and "the Democrat party"; when they stop calling Michelle Obama "monkey-face", etc....

I'll get back to ya.....

They want respect--they have to earn it.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
93. I'll call him whatever the fuck I want.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:05 PM
Dec 2016

I couldn't possibly give less of a shit if I look "childish" and "petty" in the eyes of the sexual predator's dumbshit, despicable cult followers.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
94. Polite Speak is For Bretheren. These are traitors who applaud our arch enemy.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

Sorry. I disagree. The broken record technique is wildly successful and I believe in giving as good as I get. I will call them EVERY NAME at EVERY TURN.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
102. We called Bush Chimpy, Dimson, Commander Codpiece, Junior, McCokespoon, and more for 8 years
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:56 AM
Dec 2016

I think I can count the times anyone directly referred to him as "President Bush" on one hand and have fingers left.

I understand why you say "Referring to our adversaries by their actual names won't normalize or elevate them or diminish our position. In fact, it will make it easier for us to get across our point."

But this is something new.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
105. I routinely call him Dump
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Dec 2016

and will continue to do so. He deserves much worse, but "giant, orange, festering, splattered turd" is too long to type. (With thanks to the brilliant Hamfisted, the King of Insults)

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
108. It's therapeutic
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:05 PM
Dec 2016
"giant, orange, festering, splattered turd"

It's also a means to vent our frustrations and evoke humor


I don't see that in any way being counter-productive-- we've been through a helluva lot and this helps take the edge off-- ever so slightly. How can this be a bad thing??

Bottom line: it's a catharsis

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
106. sorry, I won't utter any name....
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

even the derogatory ones....and I won't fly the stars and stripes until this is over, just like when they stole it the last time. That probably means I won't ever fly again as long as I live.

109. Name-calling is silly. I usually don't read posts
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

with titles that include an intentional misspelling because that's a sure sign of a low-content post.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
112. Exactly - but given the tone and passion of the responses here
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
Dec 2016

we're obviously in the minority.

I wonder, though, how many of those who are so adamant about calling Trump, et al, ridiculous, juvenile names are the same ones lecturing us about how we must reach out to and coddle and - for God sakes! - not in any way offend his voters.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
115. I agree. People who use such terms are always the same people who wonder why their
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

thoughts and ideas are not taken seriously.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
128. No idea who that could be.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:37 PM
Dec 2016

Supporters of the sexual predator definitely don't fall into that category.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
130. If you met President Obama and had the chance to ask him one question that you disagreed with him
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:40 PM
Dec 2016

upon, would you say to him: "What the fuck were you thinking when ...?"

If you did, I am, sure he wouldn't take you seriously.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
132. No, because I respect the man and wouldn't curse in his presence.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:46 PM
Dec 2016

You realize people don't tend to talk in real life like how they talk on the internet, right?

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
123. adults know how to prove a point without name calling.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

if you want to get into a debate on stupidity with the stupid, then as soon as you sink to their level they will beat you with experience.

if someone calls me a half-breed, I refuse to dignify it with a remark. I can't take someone serious who doesn't take themself serious.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
124. People who understand human pathology know to ridicule despots often, the people who are
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:24 PM
Dec 2016

... irritated the most by the ridicule usually can sympathize more with the ridiculed.

just fyi

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
125. Just an FYI
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:30 PM
Dec 2016

Adults know how to do so without making it personal or resorting to stupidity and showing their lack of command of the English language.

PS: It really doesn't irritate me, it makes me feel bad that they show their ignorance so willfully.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
126. Ignorance would be to ignore human pathology when it comes to despots no? I honestly want to know
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:32 PM
Dec 2016

... what you're thinking

It sounds like you agree that the despots should be ridiculed according to human pathology of not normalizing them but its HOW its being done that you don't like

Do I have that right?

tia

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
127. What human pathology are you speaking of?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:35 PM
Dec 2016

are you saying that people are hardwired to call others they disagree with names?

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
136. No, that normalizing despots by NOT ridiculing them consummately
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/normalizing-a-monster_us_5829ca05e4b02b1f5257a62d

and this isn't a matter of disagreeing, I honestly think that supposition is crazy on its face.

Trump is a direct threat to people like me and my family, he's done more than JUST proffer policy that one can disagree with.

Regards

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
137. I don't understand your premise.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:05 PM
Dec 2016

I can be against everything someone stands for without being ignorant about it.

Is he the worst kind of person that could possibly win the presidency? Pretty damn close, but that doesn't mean I am going to resort to third grade taunts to win and influence future policy.


I can call Trump every name in the book, but his borderline supporters who could help us in 2020 will tune out and we can expect the same results.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
141. My premise is he's a despot, not someone that just has policies people disagree with.. .that Bush
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:21 PM
Dec 2016

... or Romney.

Benedict Donald on many fronts has directly threatened groups of people in the US based off race and religion etc.... that's different from just policy... that's against what America stands for and threatens groups of people.

He should be AB-NORMALIZED as much as possible in the most sophomoric way possible... not to legitimize his shitness.

In regards to 3rd grade taunts, ... that's a ... HOW... the ridicule is done... that, IMHO, is a matter of taste... different strokes different folks.

So the base notion that Benedict Donald SHOULD be ridiculed is something we agree with right?

tia

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
146. I find Trump no worse than Bush.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:39 PM
Dec 2016

Bush was just better at hiding his disdain of minorities. In many ways, that made Bush worse than Trump.

If you feel the name to name call, then don't expect many responses from intelligent people.

Besides, people who hold grudges end up dying alone and bitter,

have a good day.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
152. I ... OBJECTIONABLY.... don't feel the need. I'm basing my actions on human pathology.... science
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:00 PM
Dec 2016

... not opinion.

The FORM is in dispute here...

Not the function... do we agree?

tia

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
154. I'm still trying to figure out what "pathology" you're speaking of.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:12 PM
Dec 2016

What exact science are you basing this on? What scientist have studied this and found scientific conclusions?

It has been my experience that people who need to justify such actions are much like the people they say they despise.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
156. Where's the science?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:36 PM
Dec 2016

Please post links to the studies and scientific journals. I'll be more than happy to read them.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
157. I'll look through my post, it was in part a history of what the media did with Hitler during the 30s
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:53 PM
Dec 2016

... and what they shouldn't have done.

I'll find and get back

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
140. So we try to beat him by behaving like him?
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
Dec 2016

Where do we draw the line? If the end justifies the means, why stop at mere namecalling? Why not start lying shamelessly, demagoguing the worst among us, and beating up on the weakest in our society? Trump did those things and won, so why shouldn't we fight fire with fire and do it, too?

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
144. LOL.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:34 PM
Dec 2016

Seeing as I've never ripped people off or forcibly grabbed women by their groins without their consent, I'm not behaving like him.

stevebreeze

(1,877 posts)
131. If you start a conversation with hey asshole
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:43 PM
Dec 2016

You will never ever win anyone over to your side of the discussion. We have to learn to persuade.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
134. I have no interest in trying to persuade the hateful, idiotic supporters of the orange tumor.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:49 PM
Dec 2016

They're a lost cause.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
138. Both can be done
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:14 PM
Dec 2016

No, I won't stop verbally attacking trump supporters. Just got home from Christmas with my trump humping relatives. My sister insisted on talking about Hillary being involved with pediphilia. Since I had taken a Xanax before arriving, I told her that I totally agreed with her and walked off. Later I made fun of her following Alex Jones and she defended him fiercely. I give up with them. People like my family would never vote for a dem, no matter how nice you are to them. I'm tired of dems fighting with butter knives.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
139. We won the popular vote
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:16 PM
Dec 2016

I haven't seen one post by any republicans saying they need to stop taunting us. Please let us know if you find one.

longship

(40,416 posts)
153. Ridicule is the only appropriate response.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:09 PM
Dec 2016

So I utterly reject your premise.

I will never, ever not stop calling him Drumpf.

The more we pile on, the better. The GOP has to learn to regret this calamity.

Our chief weapon is ridicule, and surprise...
Our two chief weapons are ridicule and surprise and ruthless efficiency...
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as ridicule, surprise, ruthless efficiency, blah blah blah.

Now if we only do it.

Bring on...

THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!!
DUNNNNNNN!



A little levity helps, too. We'll all need it.
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
158. Actually, ridicule is a very lame and ineffective response to someone who's about to become the most
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:24 AM
Dec 2016

powerful person on earth.

He's not a joke and shouldn't be treated as one.

Cha

(296,844 posts)
159. I cringe every time I see his name just written as is.. he needs
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:58 AM
Dec 2016

to be called out anyway anybody feels like it.

3catwoman3

(23,947 posts)
162. I have a job dealiing with the public...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:07 PM
Dec 2016

...in a pediatric office, and, appropriately so, must be on my best behavior 100% of the time. Not all that much of a challenge, as I am, by nature (and upbringing) very quiet and reserved. This is no doubt true of many here at DU.

I most definitely need a safe haven like DU where I can come and "let fly" thoughts and feelings that would not be consederd appropriate in every day real life.

It is a sorely needed pressure release valve and I intend to take full advantage of it.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
168. I tend to agree, and think intentional misspellings like "drumpf" are silly, but to each their own n
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:01 AM
Dec 2016
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