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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:41 AM

 

Obama didn't win this. Rather, Boner lost.

So the game on Wednesday.....

Boner puts 1.3 trillion of new taxes on the table. A small % is aimed at the upper class and the bar is raised from $250k to $400k.

Obama puts 1.9 trillion of cuts on the table. Those cuts are aimed at the little people (that's you and me).

---That's 1.3 in new taxes v. 1.9 in cuts. At this point, which side is winning? I don't think it is Obama.

Obama didn't win this. Boner was fucked over by his own teabaggers.


WAKE THE FUCK UP! Obama ain't helping us.
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Obama was playing 3-D chess while Boner was playing Checkers.
19 (68%)
So far, this is a tie-score. Obama 1, Bohner 1.
0 (0%)
We are getting hosed by Obama who gives away too much.
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Reply Obama didn't win this. Rather, Boner lost. (Original post)
jerseyjack Dec 2012 OP
demwing Dec 2012 #1
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #2
Prometheus_unbound Dec 2012 #5
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #10
madrchsod Dec 2012 #3
bowens43 Dec 2012 #4
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #16
lamp_shade Dec 2012 #6
demwing Dec 2012 #7
Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #8
forestpath Dec 2012 #9
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #15
dionysus Dec 2012 #20
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21
Sunlei Dec 2012 #11
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #12
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #13
Cha Dec 2012 #19
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #14
Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #17
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #22
Cha Dec 2012 #18
jerseyjack Dec 2012 #23

Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:47 AM

1. YOU!

Will never be satisfied

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:48 AM

2. Giving away stuff isn't giving away stuff

Unless, you know, it's actually given away, right? Saying what you *might* be willing to do for the right trade-off isn't the same as actually giving it away IMHO.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:06 AM

5. You're right

Saying what you're willing to give away is the starting point. The final deal would be worse.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:42 PM

10. Either

President Obama is jonesing to cut Social Security, Medicare, etc. His overriding ambition is to cut both programs because he's just a no-good lying DINO or an "R" in disguise. See how crazy that sounds?

OR

President Obama is gambling with all this stuff knowing that no matter what he puts on the table, the Republicans will say no and he'll come across as being willing to compromise and they'll look crazy (crazier, anyway) and unreasonable. At which point, nothing happens. No deal. None of the stuff that he put on the table matters because nobody on the Democratic side is going to pass any of these things into law unless we were to get something significant in return and even then most of the ideas that have been floated might not get passed either, so nothing's been lost. No deals, no laws, no loss.........

OR

President Obama is willing to do something unpleasant- but as least unpleasant possible- in order to get a good deal with the Republicans on stimulus, or something worth the trade-off. He knows that he has to still deal with the Republicans controlling the House for another 2 years (at least), so, although the Democrats hold the WH and Senate, there will have to be SOME compromise with the House GOP. As far as I can tell, agreeing to a Chained CPI (with some protections) is probably the least odious thing to agree to- if the trade-off appears to be worth it.

You can take your pick about what you believe his motivations/strategy are

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:56 AM

3. that is exactly what my facebook friends are going to say today!

well if they say anything at all.

i bet you thought obama lost the first debate too.....

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:57 AM

4. obama was ready to give away much more then needed.......the baggers, not obama , beat boner

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:10 PM

16. Kind of like the way some of my right wing friends give Obama no credit for killing OBL.

Its the right outcome, but Obama deserves no credit for it.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:22 AM

6. Sorry Jack. Obama won. Boehner lost.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:56 AM

7. Obama only wins

When the DU hit squad says he wins.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:03 AM

8. Exactly!

The defeat of plan B was no victory. Just a failure on the other side.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:04 AM

9. A reprieve is not winning. That's all we got.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:09 PM

15. Kind of like the way some of my right wing friends give Obama no credit for killing OBL.

Obama didn't do it, the Seals did it all on their own.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:18 PM

20. he's a bad man joe. he wants us to die.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:09 PM

21. What I can't figure out ... I mean if he has DEATH PANELS ... why cut Social Security???

Its as if the far right and the far left agree on one thing ... "Obama wants to kill Granny".

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:48 PM

11. I believe President Obama.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:55 PM

12. your little poll blew up in your face. didn't it?

 

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:59 PM

13. A win is a win. You sound bitter.

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:56 PM

19. Ya think?

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:08 PM

14. Boehner currently lays weeping, in a pool of his own sick, with Obama's foot print on his ass.

So let's call it a tie.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:11 PM

17. 1) How can someone get hosed by something that doesn't happen? 2) Has Obama won anything ever?

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:11 PM

22. They need an Outrage pressure release valve for when their predicted outrage event does not happen.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:55 PM

18. WAKE THE FUCK UP. President Obama is helping us.

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Response to jerseyjack (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:51 PM

23. I should'a put in a fourth choice...

 

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Obama - -0, Boner --0, Canter --1.


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