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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:55 PM

This might be the motive way Adam Lanza killed his mother

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/adam-lanza-motive_n_2329508.html

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Reply This might be the motive way Adam Lanza killed his mother (Original post)
bigdarryl Dec 2012 OP
JimDandy Dec 2012 #1
sammytko Dec 2012 #3
Sunlei Dec 2012 #4
JimDandy Dec 2012 #11
ccinamon Dec 2012 #6
JimDandy Dec 2012 #12
Myrina Dec 2012 #9
JimDandy Dec 2012 #13
WI_DEM Dec 2012 #16
LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #23
bigwillq Dec 2012 #25
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #24
Mass Dec 2012 #2
arcane1 Dec 2012 #8
leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #5
Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #7
Texin Dec 2012 #10
libdem4life Dec 2012 #18
JimDandy Dec 2012 #14
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #15
Cha Dec 2012 #17
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #19
libdem4life Dec 2012 #20
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #21
libdem4life Dec 2012 #22
REP Dec 2012 #26

Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:01 PM

1. I hate it when people don't post enough info that we're forced to go to the link.

So here's the info the OP should have put up:

"Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, was in the process of having her son committed to a psychiatric facility when he went on the mass shooting spree, a lifelong family acquaintance told Fox News.

A senior law enforcement official also confirmed that 20-year-old Lanza's anger over his mother's plan is being investigated as a possible motive for the Newtown shooting.

"From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off."

If YOU think it's newsworthy, be considerate of the rest of us and post enough info that we can see why you thought so. Thanks

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:14 PM

3. thank you! n/t

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:15 PM

4. maybe motive for a basic murder-suicide but why, why, the school rage attack.

Thanks for posting the info

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:31 PM

11. Doesn't make sense to us.

And that's the point. So sad his mother couldn't get him committed quickly.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:23 PM

6. I also hate it --

I'm going to start putting people on ignore if they don't post any info and just a link.

I do a lot of my DU browsing on my smartphone,,,,it is too time consuming to go to every link....and it's stupid and lazy not to post a sentence or 2...it's not that hard to copy/paste at least one paragraph that struck you as interesting!

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Response to ccinamon (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:37 PM

12. Same here. Trying to read on a small screen is so wearing.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:59 PM

9. ^This and THANK YOU!

My employer blocks many 'nonmainstream' websites so a linky does me no goody.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:38 PM

13. That's another great reason to post more info.

Didn't think about that.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:46 PM

16. Me too

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:35 PM

23. Because of copyright laws, DU asks that folks post only 4 paragraphs

from a news story.

From the DU Terms of Service:

Don't willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights.

To simplify compliance and enforcement of copyrights here on Democratic Underground, we ask that excerpts from other sources posted on Democratic Underground be limited to a maximum of four paragraphs, and we ask that the source of the content be clearly identified. Those who make a good-faith effort to respect the rights of copyright holders are unlikely to have any problems. But individuals who willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights risk being in violation of our Terms of Service.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:45 PM

25. The OP could at least post the headline

And then the four paragraphs. Pretty simple if you ask me.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:38 PM

24. Every time I have seen something from him it has not included any info.

I don't check any of his links

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:11 PM

2. Fox News?

"a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer’s family and several of the victims’ families."

Yep, another of these crappy reports that are trying to milk this story with sources claiming things they probably do not know. With comments like that, "From what I've been told,", you can go far (by whom? when?)

Why not let the law enforcement do their job rather than polluting witnesses with articles like that.

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Response to Mass (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:36 PM

8. Indeed, the 'experts' on the family come out of the woodwork n/t

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:19 PM

5. that or possibly child-porn on his computer

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

7. I have my own guess - that she caught him stealing her guns and tried to stop him

According to reports he tried to buy a gun earlier in the week but was turned down due to the waiting period. So, frustrated, he decided to steal his mother's guns, she caught him and he shot her.

Makes more sense to me than any possible psychiatric commitment. Why would he try to buy guns earlier in the week if he had planned to steal his mother's? I think he planned the school killings first.

Of course, it's just speculation, but as good as any other I think.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:26 PM

10. The police reports indicated that she was in bed in her pajamas,

which tends to point to her having been shot in her sleep. Until (if) the forensic details about blood spatter, etc. on the bed are released, we can't know that definitively. The explanation is plausible. Based on other comments from town residents, it appeared that she was at her wits end (which I believe was a direct quote from one person). It may be that he was becoming increasingly more agitated and hostile, which would be a strong motive for her to have wanted to have psychiatric intervention of the kind that's only available in a psychiatric facility. And, given the fact that he was apparently always close to the house, together with his above-average intelligence, would make it pretty much a given that she couldn't keep these plans completely secretive. That theory also explains (if it's possible to even attempt an explanation of such a thing) why he decided to target the school and the little children, who in his mind, his mother devoted time and affection to.

A motive for young adults and teens to kill a parent and siblings is often the resentment of feeling controlled. While there are certainly numbers of young women who murder their mothers, the statistics are higher for young males to kill their mothers because they resent the controls and discipline given because of their behaviors. If it's a motive for young people without underlying psychological disturbances or disorders to act in such a manner, it could also be a reason for kids with developmental/behavioral disorders to do so, though I recognize that very few kids with those disorders act violently. It could be that Adam Lanza had later onset psychological issues that developed incidentally to his known developmental ones. It isn't unusual for disorders like bipolar and schizophrenia to begin manifesting at around this age (my son is bipolar and had his first manic episode at the age of nineteen).

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Response to Texin (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:32 PM

18. This is a good post.. Getting an adult "committed" is very, very difficult if they don't go

willingly. 72-hours and they are back...home and really, really pissed off and meds may get changed. They may refuse to take meds at any time they like...especially at home. And locked down for life? Way, way more difficult because the courts are very, very leary to relieve a parent/family of total responsibility and put it for life on the public in this case for possible decades...which is what that does.

The conversation with the hair salon they had gone to for years, described him as almost mute...as have other descriptions.

He was surely taking heavy medication because that's what psych patients get. Parents or caretakers may be responsible if they don't take them...try that with a 20-year old. But that's pretty much the only tool they have, after a certain amount of time or diagnosis. And that's merely a WAG and especially if it's bipolar, or autism, or schizophrenia ... those meds are pretty potent. And mosts not incarcerated hate to take them, especially the intelligent ones, because they become heavy, slurred, can't drive or get around, and just trapped in the mind and in this case, in the home with his Mom.

Her guns were legal, I'm also going to guess they were locked down, but he was a smart kid and could have discovered either the combination or the key. The state of the art school security didn't serve any better...he was determined...regardless.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:40 PM

14. But this IS a plausible explanation for everything.

Time will hopefully tell. We need a lot less guns/ammunition and a lot more mental health services, in any case.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:41 PM

15. He shot her in bed, probably sleeping

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:11 PM

17. Too damn bad she didn't take the guns away FIRST if she

thought he should be committed.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:43 PM

19. the post title doesn't make a lick of sense.

"This may Lanza's motive for killing his Mother".

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:48 PM

20. I'm getting that any family with a problem, disturbed child should not have a gun. Yes?

That locks or safes aren't good enough because, like all things, they can be breached by clever or threatened intent. He may have threatened her physically in a clearly psychotic rage and forced her to open the safe. Highly plausible, as well.

Then we have the situation if the neighbor's guns aren't locked up, or all the other gun owners on the street out of the 300 million of them around.

Then school security systems...I don't hear anyone maligning the school district. Why? Their locks didn't work either, and from what I hear it was state of the art...very expensive...and it was definitely in an isolated location. 26 people are dead on their watch...that's the hard truth...when they felt they had taken every precaution posible...and they had.

The "if only... or 20-20 hindsight" arguments seem to lean toward it being easier to blame a dead Mom.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:55 PM

21. 20 year olds are not children, but

you're trying to impose a binary oppostion on this situation. yes or no can never cover 100% of possible situations.

you don't hear anyone maligning the school district because it wasn't their fault. schools should have to be fortresses. it's like suggesting that the world trade center be built to withstand the impact of a jet airliner filled with fuel. cart before the horse.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:19 PM

22. No, it was just a bit of odd reality...not opposition. It wasn't the Mom's fault either.

As to his social and emotional development, clearly, he was as a child. He was developmentally disturbed.

The school comparison was absolutely the same. Of course, schools as fortresses are out. We can't afford the retrofit or rebuilding. But neither can we jump to the fault of weapons in a home where ... "of course she should have known he would try and kill her" ... there is a mentally deficient situation, this board has been obscenly hard on her.

Another one ... if every person over 18, not proven to be insane or a criminal, has a gun to protect themselves, we'll be a safer nation.

Personally, I'm for a total gun ban, but know it's unrealistic, even though this event and many others, would not have happened. Doubtful she would have kept contraband yet undoubtedly he would have found a way to fulfill a psychotic urging to action.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:51 PM

26. Locking

This does not fit the SoP of this Forum; try General Discussion.

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