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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:26 PM

Newt Gingrich: Sandy Hook Shooting Tied To Godless Society

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich suggested on Wednesday that the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre was tied to godlessness in contemporary American society.

Speaking to Brian Thomas of radio station 55KRC, Gingrich reflected on Friday's shooting in Newtown, Conn., which claimed the lives of 20 first-graders and six adults.

"When you have an anti-religious, secular bureaucracy and secular judiciary, seeking to drive God out of public life, something fills the vacuum," Gingrich said. "I don’t know that going from communion to playing war games, in which you practice killing people is necessarily an improvement."

Gingrich urged the national dialogue in the aftermath of the shooting to focus on the problems with America's youth, who "don't see their fellow Americans as human beings, but as objects."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/newt-gingrich-sandy-hook-_n_2330506.html

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Reply Newt Gingrich: Sandy Hook Shooting Tied To Godless Society (Original post)
Redfairen Dec 2012 OP
ck4829 Dec 2012 #1
Lint Head Dec 2012 #2
ROBROX Dec 2012 #20
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #27
lastlib Dec 2012 #32
WestCoastLib Dec 2012 #3
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #29
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #4
Tanuki Dec 2012 #5
leftynyc Dec 2012 #6
Joe Bacon Dec 2012 #37
Blue Owl Dec 2012 #7
immoderate Dec 2012 #8
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #30
Kennah Dec 2012 #41
bemildred Dec 2012 #9
AdamJensen Dec 2012 #25
bemildred Dec 2012 #39
NICO9000 Dec 2012 #10
sofa king Dec 2012 #11
Sheepshank Dec 2012 #12
JHB Dec 2012 #34
Mojo2 Dec 2012 #13
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #14
Cha Dec 2012 #15
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #16
Jennicut Dec 2012 #17
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #18
Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #19
applegrove Dec 2012 #21
ChoralScholar Dec 2012 #38
davidpdx Dec 2012 #22
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #23
yellowcanine Dec 2012 #24
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #26
JHB Dec 2012 #28
JHB Dec 2012 #31
liberalmuse Dec 2012 #33
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #35
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #36
Live and Learn Dec 2012 #40
Kennah Dec 2012 #42
lunatica Dec 2012 #43
CBHagman Dec 2012 #44
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #45

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:28 PM

1. Lanza destroyed his computer drives but made sure to leave his video games behind for all to see

One last middle finger I am sure.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

2. So... Gingrich wants a theocracy like Iran. Typical Republican. Reagan gave them missles now

Gingrich wants to be like them.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:20 PM

20. WING NUT RIDES AGAIN

 

These evil people just talk to hear their own evil noise. These people lack the common sense to not put their feet in their own mouth. I think only stupid people will believe this evil thinking. This toady has lived beyond his small mind.

Who is paying this nut to come out from his wet rock???

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Response to ROBROX (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:35 PM

27. +++ 1,000,000 +++ Couldn't have said it better!

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Response to ROBROX (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:54 PM

32. I got it in for the guy supplyin' the dimes, whoever it is.....

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

3. Atheists, Agnostics and supporters of Seperation of Church & State need to be ready...

The Religious right is going to pounce on this to try and further their agenda (when do they not try to pounce on any situation to further their agenda).

The reality is that atheists are less likely to be criminals or carry out gun violence than people of faith...

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Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:38 PM

29. Often the violence is with the Religious right. Throughout history for eons these nuts have

provoked and perpetuated violence on all types of people. They are the personification of evilness. They need to go back and study their own religious nuttery, the devil comes in many forms.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:31 PM

4. The NRA pre-sell, for sure

Pays well, doesn't it Newt?

FYI, just like your plan to defeat Obama, it's not going to work out for you this time.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:39 PM

5. I wonder what Newt makes of the fact that Lanza attended St.Rose of Lima Catholic Church

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:40 PM

6. Is he really claiming

that G-d just stood by and let 20 children and 6 adults get massacred just to teach us a lesson? Is that the G-d he wants us all to believe in and worship?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:36 AM

37. Sure, since Newt's God is Ayn Rand!

And in Ayn as in Mine's world, Anything Goes...

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:42 PM

7. Because nobody's ever been shot in the name of God

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:42 PM

8. So Newt, if shit could talk what would it say?

Newt neatly ignores the fact that the US rates at or near the top of industrialized countries in both religious followers and murder rates.

This religious rabble rousing is the latest incarnation of bigotry. Republicans need to fill out their numbers by attracting those who need to be driven by hatred. And the object of hatred can shift as needed. It's harvesting paranoia. Should be no surprise to DUers.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:40 PM

30. Newt needs a butt cover for his mouth! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:56 AM

41. They discontinued them in size "Motherfucking Huge"

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:43 PM

9. We're still waiting for our apology about the Clinton tax increase, Newt.

(It didn't cause a recession, rather the opposite, Newt was WRONG.)

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Response to bemildred (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:24 PM

25. So if we're not in a recession, what are we in?

 

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Response to AdamJensen (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:57 AM

39. Welcome to DU!!

Always good to see new blood around here.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:48 PM

10. Ah yes - that wise holy man Newtie!

This motherfucker is SHAMELESS! Only in the GOTP could such a failure be considered an elder statesman!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:53 PM

11. Evil Endorses God

Of course, as the millions and millions of souls already lost to religious warfare could easily attest if they existed, people who follow god don't drop the war-gaming (chess, anyone?) or the massacres.

But they do kill more and play less.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:58 PM

12. Let me get this straight: Belief in a God removes all mental disabilities?

somehow that doesn't seem quite believable.

He's just making up shit now to stay relevent to at least one group. That would be the group who always supports anyone who mentions the might of God, regardless of the context.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:01 AM

34. I protest your use of the word "now". "Making shit up" is the basis of Newt's entire career.

He won election after election in his suburban Atlanta district by bravely protecting them from the Peoples' Republic of Escape From New York. He routinely blurts out anything to attack an opponent or to cattle-prod an audience in a direction he wants it to go. He does it reflexively. His own allies coined the phrase "Tell Newt to shut up."

I'm quite serious about what I said in #28 below:
Excepting liquids and semi-liquids, nothing that comes out of his mouth can be taken at face value

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:01 PM

13. Gingrich is a Scumbag

This guy should NEVER be lecturing anyone on MORALS, this is a vile scumbag that is dangerous to this country. If there is a heaven and hell, Gingrich is surely one person that has a one way ticket to hell for all of his moral misdeeds.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:30 PM

14. He's right. We need a national dialogue.

Let's start with the subject of marital fidelity. I'd like to talk to either of your ex-wives, Newt

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

15. Yeah, everyone should be a

goddamn pig god like the newt.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

16. I think it can be tied to Republican gun owners.

Just sayin'. Since that's the family who perpetrated this...

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:49 PM

17. These idiots would rather blame lack of God in schools and society then discuss mental illness

and the lack of funding all states have to deal with it. And they sure as hell don't want to talk about guns.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:17 PM

18. Who the hell can preach about a godless society

while being a serial adulterer at the same time? His name is Newt.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:24 PM

19. And this guy really thought he could be OUR leader. Wouldn't you love to hear him say that

in a nationally televised speech as he addressed the people of Newtown, CT? And his discussions with the family members would be what? ABSOLUTELY PITIFAL.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:07 PM

21. Maybe it is just me but I thought Jesus died for our sins. All of our sins. I thought

that after Jesus, humans were not supposed to scapegoat different other people when tragedy happens?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:39 AM

38. Now don't go introducing the teachings of Jesus

That's not what Christianity is about!!!! Wait... nevermind.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:01 PM

22. This is what was posted on my Facebook page by a friend the other day

It has become a meme on Facebook in the form of a graphic. I abhor the fact that people that call themselves Christians would use this to blame for the shooting.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:37 AM

23. Fuck you, Newt.

You despicable worthless piece of shit and waste of oxygen.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:00 PM

24. "When you have an anti-religious, secular bureaucracy and secular judiciary..."

Maybe Newtie would rather have Sharia law? "Welcome to Tehran, Mr. Gingrich"

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:33 PM

26. Newt Gingrich is such a fool, just about everything he says is totally F'ed up IMO. n/t

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:35 PM

28. Excepting liquids and semi-liquids, nothing that comes out of his mouth can be taken at face value

Newt says anything to advance whatever agenda he's pushing at the moment.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:48 PM

31. Which wife is he cheating on these days? 3rd or 4th? I lost track.

As for not seeing "fellow Americans as human beings, but as objects," I believe one Newton Leroy Gingrich used to advise his fellow Republicans to in terms that would elicit loathing and disgust from their audiences, and to treat political opponents not as fellow Americans with a differing view, but as traitors to be crushed.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:57 PM

33. Actually, Godless societies don't have the gun deaths we do.

We're one of the most religious "developed" nations in the world.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:09 AM

35. He must know...he was cheating on his dying wife.godless indeed.Hypocrit.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:20 AM

36. America is a "godless society"?????

Sure could have fooled me. There's a church or synagogue or mosque or some such on every street corner in most of the US.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:07 AM

40. Newt has no problem with real wars but war games are bad? nt

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:02 AM

42. "don't see their fellow Americans as human beings, but as objects"

You gotta be shitting me!? That fucker said this while sucking at the ass of corporations led by people without a reflection!?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:09 AM

43. Being an expert on godlessness he would know

He sees everyone as objects, mostly to be abused for profit.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:40 AM

44. Then why did people in the Bible Belt try to burn the Freedom Riders alive?

Why were civil rights activists beaten and firebombed and shot? Way to let your light shine for Jesus, people!

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Freedom-Riders.html

On Sunday, May 14, 1961—Mother's Day—scores of angry white people blocked a Greyhound bus carrying black and white passengers through rural Alabama. The attackers pelted the vehicle with rocks and bricks, slashed tires, smashed windows with pipes and axes and lobbed a firebomb through a broken window. As smoke and flames filled the bus, the mob barricaded the door. "Burn them alive," somebody cried out. "Fry the goddamn niggers." An exploding fuel tank and warning shots from arriving state troopers forced the rabble back and allowed the riders to escape the inferno. Even then some were pummeled with baseball bats as they fled.

A few hours later, black and white passengers on a Trailways bus were beaten bloody after they entered whites-only waiting rooms and restaurants at bus terminals in Birmingham and Anniston, Alabama.

The bus passengers assaulted that day were Freedom Riders, among the first of more than 400 volunteers who traveled throughout the South on regularly scheduled buses for seven months in 1961 to test a 1960 Supreme Court decision that declared segregated facilities for interstate passengers illegal.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:58 AM

45. I expect that Lanza and his family went to church?

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