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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:55 PM

Thereís a lot of things going on with this fiscal cliff stuff and I was really pissed this a.m......

until I reminded myself that the tea baggers are running the
show for the republicans and are a bunch of dangerous
people who are literally ready to plummet our whole economic
future in order to destroy Obamaís presidency.

They are fucking out of their minds and backed by a few million
fanatical religious idiots.

There are also millions of Americans who are not wealthy at all
who are dependent on pension investments and ( IRAs) including
Seniors,who will take big hits if this is not settled.

I donít have ant answers for this crappy situation, but I have
no choice but to support my President who right now is being
put in a horrible position. He knows what the whole picture is
and is aware of all the dynamics surrounding the standoff. So
at this point I have to trust him.

Incidentally, the new congress numbers do not change the dynamics.
Improves....but doe not change..

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Reply Thereís a lot of things going on with this fiscal cliff stuff and I was really pissed this a.m...... (Original post)
busterbrown Dec 2012 OP
mother earth Dec 2012 #1
forestpath Dec 2012 #2
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #6
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #3
mother earth Dec 2012 #4
mother earth Dec 2012 #5

Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:33 PM

1. BS, this fiscal cliff is a game of charades. When will our president do what he promises, if not

now, when? It's time to put up or shut up. Go off the cliff & fucking stand for something.

He won the damned election for a reason. If we wanted the fucking oligarchy to continue we should have just stayed home & let Romney slink into the WH.

I'm so sick & tired of this game. Fuck both parties. I don't know which is more crazy at this point, the batshit crazy right wing, or those making excuses for our president, the guy that won the election, to cave on every issue to the sickening likes of Boehner.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:44 PM

6. Totally Agree

One thing at least you can say about the republicons, when they stood on a position, they hung in there come hell or political high water... wrong or more wrong, they hung in there... together. That's why it was nearly impossible to get anything done.

Wonder when the democrats will do that?
With that kind of *sticktoitness*, we could make some significant progress with the current and incoming majorities.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:57 PM

3. The 'fiscal cliff' is a made up, self imposed deadline which could be changed.

It is not an actual cliff, it is turn of phrase.
And just as in sports, if the opponent wins that means they are better than you at the game. If you can't beat folks who are 'fucking out of their minds' it is time to admit you need some help in negotiations.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:07 PM

4. Or admit that "negotiating" was the real farce, a fixed game and a ruse played out for public

consumption, an oligarchy win-win.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:25 PM

5. Taken from Demeter's #22 Stock Market Watch - Dec. 18, 2012 (DU Economy Bd)

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22. Why isnít Obama demanding corporate welfare cuts?

Commentary: $2.6 trillion could be saved without touching safety net...

If President Barack Obama and Speaker John Boehner really want to reduce federal deficits, theyíre doing a lousy job of it. Rather than focusing their negotiations on specific and achievable savings that would stabilize our debt for a decade or more, the two leaders have instead been talking about areas of the budget in which thereís almost no common ground. Instead of reaching a reasonable compromise, each party is insisting that the other surrender unconditionally. The Democrats and Republicans alike would rather win a bloody political victory than achieve a negotiated peace.

For Democrats, the only goal of the fiscal-cliff confrontation seems to be raising tax rates and getting more revenue from the wealthy. For Republicans, itís shredding the safety net for seniors and the working poor.

Theyíre ignoring the most obvious solution: Eliminating unproductive and unnecessary federal spending and tax expenditures, especially corporate welfare that only benefits special interests. If even we didnít have a deficit problem, we should eliminate or minimize this kind of wasteful spending. And, contrary to what youíve been told, there is plenty to cut.

We know why no one is talking about this solution: The corporate interests who feed at the public trough control the politicians and the media who have worked themselves into a frenzy over the debt and the fiscal cliff. Youíll never see a group of CEOs, like Honeywellís David Cote or Jim McNerney of Boeing, come to Washington to lobby to have their subsidies eliminated, but you will see them ask for old and sick people to bear the costs of deficit reduction... Obama doesnít have to run for office again, so heís free to say what everyone already knows: We donít need to subsidize farmers, or energy companies, or defense contractors, or pharmaceutical companies, or the real estate business, or banks, or hedge funds. Corn and coal and sugar and 30-year mortgages donít need to be subsidized. Itís possible to achieve all the budget savings we need for the next 10 years simply by cutting the fat out of discretionary spending programs and tax expenditures, without raising tax rates on the wealthy or cutting the safety net at all. All we need to do is look at the recommendations of such good-government groups as the Government Accountability Office, Taxpayers for Common Sense, or the Cato Institute...

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