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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:59 AM

Who expected Obama NOT to cave in after the elections??!!

Obama doesn't have to run for president again, so of course he was going to cave in to the Republicans. Anyone who thought differently was just fooling themselves!!

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Reply Who expected Obama NOT to cave in after the elections??!! (Original post)
center rising Dec 2012 OP
dairydog91 Dec 2012 #1
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #4
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #16
Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #18
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
center rising Dec 2012 #6
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #3
zipplewrath Dec 2012 #7
DJ13 Dec 2012 #13
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #20
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #9
John2 Dec 2012 #11
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #14
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #19
davidpdx Dec 2012 #17
alwaysdemocratic Dec 2012 #5
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #15
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #8
BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #10
santamargarita Dec 2012 #12

Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:01 AM

1. Compromise is the essence of politics.

Especially when the opposition party holds at least one house of the legislature. Obama should have started with an even more progressive first offer, and then worked down from there.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:07 AM

4. But he didn't

and many of us knew that he wouldn't, because he never does. and that is the cave-in

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:45 PM

16. He did, sort of

He started out asking for twice as much revenue as he had been pushing for in 2011. But I wish he had included raising the cap on payroll taxes as part of his initial push.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:55 PM

18. The Republicans never compromise though

Compromise should be a two way street.

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:04 AM

2. Calling any deal a cave-in

It's knee-jerk bullshit. And you don't even wait until you know the details.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:30 AM

6. Knee-jerk bullshit?? I think not!!

Obama has already caved in on several issues said he wouldn't. By the way, look at his track record. He has a history of caving in. Susan Rice is just the latest example!! I don't buy this garbage she made the decision not to pursue this. She was shoved out by the White House!!

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:06 AM

3. The Kool-Aid addicts predicted a swerve to the left

because he doesn't have to get re-elected.



he's just serving his base - the Repuke elites

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:31 AM

7. He had to compromise

Which is why so many were concerned about how far right he started this pissin' match. He didn't leave himself much room on the right to move. Kinda like leaving single payer out of the room before you ever start. The Right gets a huge concession for which they never even had to fight.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:59 PM

13. He has no need to compromise

The GOP created 'fiscal cliff' was a gift he could leverage to get the Bush tax cuts rescinded (which could later be re-instituted <$250k), cut the budget across the board (which could be readjusted next year), and there would be no need to even mention SS or Medicare at this time.

Not to mention that the readjustments to the budget would be the perfect time to force the GOP to give up on the bogus debt ceiling on a permanent basis.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:08 PM

20. And then when he doesn't they'll say he had to compromise

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:33 AM

9. Actually his base are liberal Democrats, who overwhelmingly

like the job he's doing, and have since the day he took office.

He serves the country, not one small-but-loud group of idealogues who trash him day in and day out.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:20 PM

11. No, they aren't,

 

they are people he went out and begged to give him a chance. The same I see his partner in Chicago becoming mayor. Think about the question he was asked in the Hispanic community, about not pushing immigration. This is a trend. There are a lot of Senators like Bernie sanders, thinks going over the Cliff is actually the best Deal. It is better than anything Boehner and Obama can come up with. This is coming from a person that will actually suffer in the short team and not those two. People do have passion and get angry about some issues which some people don't understand. It goes through and I will work my tail off to defeat those that voted for it. It would be a betrayal to me! And I will continue all year persuading people that agree with me! That is my bottom line.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:40 PM

14. So, an overhwelming number

support drone strikes, insurance mandates instead of health care, cave-ins on tax breaks for the hyper-rich, and now cuts to SS and Medicare?

Then we are a sorry lot that deserve the shit we're forced to eat.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:40 PM

19. They support health care reform, the end of DADT, the stimulus bill,

equal pay for women & the Lilly Ledbetter Act, ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, getting Osama Bin Laden, increased support for veterans, stem cell research, marriage equality, tax cuts for the middle class, expansion of pell grants, expansion of hate crimes laws to include sexual and gender orientation/identity, expansion of elibility for Medicaid and SCHIP, doubling of federal funding for cancer research, international tax haven watch list, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, reversal of the gag rule against organizations that provide abortions, etc etc. etc.

But what the fuck kind of liberal Democrat cares about that nonsense, right?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:51 PM

17. Wow the Kool-aid meme and an insult you must be proud of yourself

Maybe you should head back in your magical time machine to the 2008 primaries.

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:16 AM

5. Want a Hard Obama, not a Softie

I fully expected to have an Obama who would stand up to the Republican's bull, a harder Obama, and not one who would give in time and time again.

Boehner is NOT in charge of this, Boehner is NOT the president, and you, President Obama, are supposed to be fighting for the poor and the middle class, the disadvantaged, the sick and the backbone of this country - the people who actually work for a living. Please don't disappoint your own party....again. And please don't make me pray that Hillary would have won.

I was a Hillary delegate who switched over to Obama when he won the nomination. Please don't make me regret this decision.

Fight for us, please.



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Response to alwaysdemocratic (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:41 PM

15. That's what the True Believers said we'd get this time

it was bullshit, just like the first time

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:32 AM

8. Another troll thread is all we needed.

 

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:38 AM

10. As ugly as I find it, I'm not going to judge him until I'm 100% certain of any details we might hear

Don't forget the lies we've heard from the MSM. I'm not going to pile on until I'm certain.

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Response to center rising (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:59 PM

12. You can't compromise with a bunch of snakes!

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