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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:10 PM

LET'S LIMIT GUNS TO THREE BULLETS!

Let's limit guns to a capacity of three bullets. That's enough for 99.99% of defensive purposes. Hunters could supplement their three-bullet limit with bows and arrows.

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Reply LET'S LIMIT GUNS TO THREE BULLETS! (Original post)
JEFF9K Dec 2012 OP
bluerum Dec 2012 #1
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #5
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #16
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #22
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #27
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #28
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #29
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #31
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #33
ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #35
11 Bravo Dec 2012 #40
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #36
LP2K12 Dec 2012 #2
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #6
LP2K12 Dec 2012 #10
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #17
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #32
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #34
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #23
Hoyt Dec 2012 #3
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #4
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #9
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #13
Sancho Dec 2012 #7
leanforward Dec 2012 #8
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #11
kwolf68 Dec 2012 #19
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #21
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #24
Godot51 Dec 2012 #12
Tutonic Dec 2012 #14
Mel Content Dec 2012 #18
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #20
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #15
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #26
farminator3000 Dec 2012 #25
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #30
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #37
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #38
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #39
JEFF9K Dec 2012 #42
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #41
Hekate Dec 2012 #43

Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

1. What do you base the three 'bullets' is enough for self defense comment on?

It sounds a bit sketchy to me.

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Response to bluerum (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:55 PM

5. brandishing

Brandishing the gun will halt 70% of attacks. A warning shot will stop another 25%. The other 5% will crumble to the ground after being shot.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:25 AM

16. Brandishing is against the law. So is shooting randomly.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:04 PM

22. brandishing 2

A brandishing permit may be required.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:22 AM

27. You could consider open carry brandishing.

Even in states where open carry of loaded firearms is permitted (Read the Starbucks chronicles) it is against the law to draw the firearm and wave it about threateningly.

It is a stupendously bad idea.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:41 PM

28. no jury

No jury will convict someone who pulls a gun in self-defense.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:26 AM

29. Try it and post back here to tell how it works out.

Brandishing is against the law.

It can't be any clearer.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:12 PM

31. no

It depends on your definition of "brandish."

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:30 PM

33. The one written into law. Not yours.

WA state law:


RCW 9.41.270 (1)

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.


Virgina law:

18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance,whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.


Michigan law:

750.234e Brandishing firearm in public; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234e.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not knowingly brandish a firearm in public.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A peace officer lawfully performing his or her duties as a peace officer.

(b) A person lawfully engaged in hunting.

(c) A person lawfully engaged in target practice.

(d) A person lawfully engaged in the sale, purchase, repair, or transfer of that firearm.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.


If You Brandish a Gun in Self-Defense in Kansas, You’d Best Shoot It
Brandishing Licensed Firearm Results in Arrest for Assault with Dangerous Weapon

You can find the rest for yourself.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:49 PM

35. In Arizona...

it's called reckless endangerment....

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:48 PM

40. In Florida it's called "That n****r deserved it".

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:38 PM

36. g l

good luck getting a conviction if you're a prosecutor

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

2. So,

you're suggesting a magazine with a two bullet capacity and one chambered? Or, a three bullet magazine because then someone could chamber a round making it four.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

6. let's

Let's not quibble.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:11 PM

10. Not quibbling...

Genuine question. I'm a gun owner who is actually for limited ammo in magazines. However, I know people... family members included, who will keep one in the chamber. One bullet is one bullet. Especially if it's an actual limit.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:27 AM

17. Well, then you know it's 10+1, or in this case, 3+1.

Three bullets is nonsense. You get in a situation, you want as much ammo as possible.

On edit - and you know that not all bullets are created equally. Three rounds from a .22 pistol are not as damaging as three rounds from a .45 or .22 rifle.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:14 PM

32. one

one bullet is sufficient 97.8% of the time

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:42 PM

34. Great stat. I'd like to see the source.

This is some information about police firearm "incidents". Kind of comical really.

11 Years of Police Gunfire, in Painstaking Detail


¶In 77 percent of all shootings since 1998 when civilians were the targets, police officers were not fired upon, although in some of those cases, the suspects were acting violently: displaying a gun or pointing it at officers, firing at civilians, stabbing or beating someone or hitting officers with autos, the police said. No one fired at officers in two notable cases — the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo and the 2006 shooting of Sean Bell.

¶In such shootings, the total number of shots fired in each situation edged up to 4.7 in 2006. However, the figure is skewed by the 50 shots fired in the Bell case. Excluding that case, the average would be 3.6 shots.


If the police need to fire that many rounds, I am not sure what expect from those who are less proficient firearms.

This pdf has some interesting data as well
Officer-Involved Shootings: What We Didn't Know Has Hurt Us

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:06 PM

23. the point

The point is that a limited capacity is sufficient. Also, the gun can be reloaded.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:30 PM

3. That is really not a bad idea. I'd be OK with only allowing a six shooter for handguns, something

similar for rifles. But three would really cause some serious gun clutching.

And it's plenty for protection in 99% of unlikely to occur situations.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:35 PM

4. I was thinking about an ammunition solution in the car

on the way home. What is the shelf life of various ammunition rounds? Could we not simply prevent the sale of ammunition entirely if we moved to a full ban and repeal? Or at least ammo for these types of weapons?

Wouldn't it just be easier to cut off the ammunition supply? At the very least these people wouldn't be able to use gun ranges, etc., might get out of practice and not be as lethal. Just brainstorming.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:05 PM

9. shelf life

Not sure about the shelf life. I'm thinking pretty long. I'm guessing that it wouldn't be that hard to make bullets in a home workshop if the sale of them was made illegal.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:19 AM

13. Researched a bit

as long as a hundred years. Apparently moisture may deactivate the gunpowder so if its carefully kept it may still be useable for up to a century without a misfire.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:00 PM

7. Ok, ok...you can have 6 bullets IF...

your gun is a single action revolver!

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:03 PM

8. How about the other limit

Revolver, or a pump action, or lever action, or some of us trained on a bolt action.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:42 PM

11. Coincidentally...

When I go deer hunting that is the number of rounds I put in my rifle, chambering one and leaving the other two in the magazine.

I've never needed three, but I like the third one in there just in case.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:31 AM

19. If you can't kill a deer with 3 shots


Then it's probably best to swing by Safeway and grab a pack of ground round.

Further, and this is where I diverge with hunters...if a deer has managed to escape THREE shots, then there may be something about him that is 'different' and it's best to stand down with your gun.

Of course, hunters don't think that way most often...which is why I no longer hunt.

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Response to kwolf68 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:36 AM

21. I agree...

If you need a 50-round magazine to hit what you're aiming at, might I suggest stamp collecting?

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:07 PM

24. stamp collecting

Excellent!

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:53 PM

12. Mayberry...

One was enough for Barney Fife...

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Response to Godot51 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:19 AM

14. I hope this does not sound morbid...but can you picture

Barney Fife going in after a school shooting? Don Knotts was a funny man. I think the solution might be in placing a heavy tax on bullets. That would stop a lot of folks.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:27 AM

18. a heavy tax on bullets would only create a huge black market

 

and the hardest-core gunnies can and do make their own ammo.

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Response to Godot51 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:37 AM

20. One was to many for Barney, even when it remained in his pocket

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:21 AM

15. Get rid of the fucking guns.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:44 PM

26. Section Five of the US Constitution awaits your attention

Better get busy!

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:37 PM

25. i think 6 is ok

making gun companies invent new guns is a bit much. a six shooter is plenty. besides, guns are hardly ever used for defense, more people shoot themselves by mistake than someone else in self defense

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:05 PM

30. Let's limit one gun for every 3 idiots

They can fight it out between them on when they get to use it.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:45 PM

37. Where do you derive the number 3 from?

 

Did you plot a statistically significant sample of successful defensive gun uses by the number of rounds fired and then determine that 99.99% of the incidents involved 3 bullets or less?

Or did you pull the 3 bullet number out of your head-occupied ass?

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:13 PM

38. comment

That's the type of aggressively moronic comment I expect to see only at sites overrun by conservatives.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:22 PM

39. So no comment on the source of your ideal magazine limit. Gotcha.

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:42 PM

42. cs

I didn't mention the word "magazine." Common sense combined with knowledge of psychology, logic, and mathematics led me to the number three.

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:50 PM

41. Make all guns PINK!!!

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Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:35 PM

43. Bring back flintlocks

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