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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:58 AM

John Kerry--This is a BIG Mistake

Moving John Kerry to the Cabinet is a huge mistake politically. We are putting his Senate seat at risk, as Scott Brown will be the clear favorite to replace him in a special election. And unlike before, there won't be much time before the 2014 election to find a strong Democratic candidate and raise money to oust him. We MUST keep the Senate solidly in Democratic control.

Secondly, I don't feel that Kerry is the right person for the job. While his heart is in the right place, he is a bit stiff and doesn't always strike a good chord with people. He has been a fantastic senator and he needs to stay in the Senate.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:00 AM

1. I hope Vicki Kennedy is appointed

She would be hard to beat.

I agree with your assessment, though re: risking the seat in the first place.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:05 AM

2. Napolitano/Sebelius also Mistakes

For those that live in Kansas and Arizona, you now have two crazy Governors.
We can't afford to pillage our Governorships and U.S.Senate seats to fill cabinet posts (even one as important as SOS).

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Response to GeorgiaDemGuy (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:31 PM

24. Well, Kathleen Sebellius' 2nd term was up in 2010 and Kansas has

Term Limits.

Yes, Janet Napolitano left for HS and AZ got Jan Brewer and all the draconion AZ Legislators like Russel Pearce, who got Recalled. It seems like Arizona's stringent RED governance is getting Backlashed..

Arizona is typically presumed to be a deep red state, but the changing nature of its demographics, especially the increasing Hispanic population that's increasingly victimized by Arizona's current flair for xenophobic policy-making, has made the state look riper and riper for a Democratic Party incursion. In the vanguard of that, Carmona has kept the race close. But according to Politico, he has problems of his own:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/arizona-election-2012_n_2039265.html

Oh, and Scott Brown..

Almost as if to offer an ideological counterweight to his post-Aurora gun-control crusade, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is backing Senator Scott Brown in his Massachusetts race against liberal darling Elizabeth Warren.


"The National Rifle Association has given Brown an 'A' rating."

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/07/6292816/bloomberg-backs-scott-brown-nras-candidate-against-elizabeth-warren

Ooops.. Seems Bloomberg wants gun control but not at the Expense Of Wall Street Regulations.

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Response to GeorgiaDemGuy (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:18 PM

51. I agree.

I do not understand why Obama chose Democrats like them, and now Kerry when it opens the door to RW Republicans.

I used to live in Kansas, and Sebelius was a great governor. Because I was active in Democratic Party politics there I got to meet her several times. Had she remained in Kansas, term-limited as she was, she might have had the clout to bring along some viable Democrat to run for Governor after her, to run for the Senate, to run for the House. Instead, the party there is incredibly weak, and it's nearly impossible for any Democrat to raise the necessary money and run a winnable campaign, even for the state house or senate. So sad.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:11 AM

3. I like Kerry and he knows his shit

But am conflicted about it. If the party has someone who can get in there, win the special election and turn around and win another one in 14' then I don't have as much of a problem. There are no guarantees though.

Having some fresh faces in the Senate is always good. Plus both my Senators move up in seniority. Wyden has finally cracked the top 20 I think. The bad news is MA lost lots of seniority with the death of Kennedy a few years back and now again with Kerry leaving. Warren would find herself as the senior senator from MA already.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:18 AM

4. I tend to agree, and then I hear they are thinking of appointing Dukakis as

intereim senator. Why not appoint somebody who will actually run in the special election and give them a head start as a Senator and standing up for the people of MA? and creating a positive record?

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:28 AM

5. I don't want Scott Brown re-elected, but lets not hyperventilate...

We came out of the Election with MORE Senate seats than last time. If Scott Brown gets elected 1) we still hold the majority (if we get filibuster reform passed) and 2) we don't have 60 seats (if we don't). Not a lot of difference.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:30 AM

6. Dammit, if only it were in a state with capable, ambitious Democrats...

Foiled again!

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Response to Bucky (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:21 PM

11. I know...you'd think we'd not be shitting ourselves over how to hold a Senate seat...

in the second most liberal state in the country.

I'm so tired of saying this that it's not funny...Scott Brown has 0% chance of winning a special election and returning to the Senate. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. No fucking way. McCain and Graham were grasping at straws but all they got was a hand full of nothing. The only reason he won the first time was because Coakley folded so badly that for all intents and purposes, he ran unopposed as a moderate Republican.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:31 AM

7. I think Kerry deserves it

After all that he's done for this party he def is the most qualified and he deserves to get the seat.....losing one senate seat isnt going to matter much since its not like we can pass anything anyways with Republicans standing in unison in gridlock

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:33 AM

8. Kerry should go for it

The man has ambition. And he has the knowledge and skill to do an excellent job. I'd support him 100%.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:12 AM

9. That's your opinion. I think he is an excellent choice and would be a great SoS.

It is unfortunate about his senate seat, but I can't think of anyone who would do a better job than Kerry. What you can stiff, I call dignified.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:13 AM

10. No its not. John Kerry is the superior candidate for the position. Always has been.

If we can't defend a senate seat in blue ass Mass, we don't deserve it. Period.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:43 PM

12. your bias is showing

Kerry's strength is that he already HAS demonstrated that he can develop the relationships with people in other countries. The alternative, Rice was criticized for being abrasive and turning off many in the diplomatic community.

The fact is that Kerry, with little media or party support until he won Iowa, easily won the Democratic nomination for President over a few media favorites. In fact, his win was among the most definitive in open races that I have seen. He won every contest except SC, OK, and VT (voting for their favorite son after he was already out) and NC (voting after Kerry was the de facto nominee to push Edwards for VP). Clearly, he stuck a good chord with a substantial number of people. In fact, that was the MAIN reason he won Iowa and then NH.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:19 PM

31. ...

... No kidding!

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:03 PM

13. unrec

John Kerry will do a magnificant job.

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:37 PM

17. Agree with the unrec. It is hard to imagine someone more qualified to be SOS than Kerry.

And why is Scott Brown a shoo-in for the seat? He lost his last election. Run a good candidate and he losses again.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:07 PM

14. If The Dems Can't Hold A Senate Seat in Mass.

then they ought to go out of business.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:10 PM

15. Mass Dems changed the law on succession before

when Romney was governor - over his veto. They can do it again for Kerry with Patrick as governor.

I think Kerry would be a fine choice. And, just because he comes across as a bit stiff when speaking on TV doesn't mean he's that way when meeting face-to-face. (Actually, wasn't an initial analysis of Hillary as senator similar - she was a bit stiff on TV, but great one-on-one and in small rooms?)

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:50 PM

23. His DNC speech was outstanding!

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:16 PM

16. Brown just lost an election

I swear, the election result taught people nothing about overestimating Republican chances. Scott Brown got lucky when he won in 2010, this time he's not an unknown with no record and has shown himself to be not as non-partisan as he claimed to be.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:48 PM

18. I suspect that problem is covered.

I have noticed that this President has become so used to rabid opposition that he reveals his plans incrementally and only when they are fully formed and largely irreversible.

So working back from that point, how would you nail down the nomination and fix it so you don't take a hit for it in Congress?

First, you would nominate someone highly qualified and in a position to overcome a filibuster. That would be John Kerry, whose interpersonal relationships on Capitol Hill, particularly in the Senate, are quite good. He could still go in as a recess appointment in mid-January even if the GOP in the Senate blocks him, so getting him in is the easy part.

Losing one Senator would be a reverse, it is true, but we did so well in the Senate this time around that we actually picked up seats when only a year ago I was pretty sure we were going to lose control of the Senate, too.

We are almost certain to pick up a few more next time--but we are within half a dozen seats of a filibuster-proof supermajority and for the last two years of President Obama's term, that is going to be more important than having his second pick at SoS.

So we have one seat to burn if we need to burn it, though we certainly don't want to do that.

The next obvious thing to do would be to pick a Mass. politician who can fill Kerry's shoes, someone with wide experience, particularly in Congress, high visibility, and strong oratorical skills, since the person is going to have to campaign like hell out of the gate. A sitting Member of the House might be a good choice, because you can pick a prominent Representative from a comparatively safe district and run that person without a high risk of losing both seats.

So, I conclude, the next move is going to be to go after Ed Markey and beg him to consider changing wings of the Capitol. I believe Markey has refused to do this in the past, or been overlooked for other reasons. But on the surface Markey seems to me to be the best and most obvious choice.

Markey necessarily would offer coattails to his chosen successor, too, because Markey's base of operations in any statewide campaign would certainly be in his old district, where he can easily campaign with his replacement.

At the very worst, this move temporarily loses one Senate seat and one House seat, with a strong chance to get both back in two years. At best, you rotate one of the Democratic Party's best war-horses into a rewarding position that he deserves, and potentially create two more in his place in Congress.

You can't take my word for it, but you can expect the President to do something better thought out and along similar lines.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

19. I disagree

 

JK is a consummate professional statesman. He will excel at SOS and Mass will have no problem beating little Scotty AGAIN.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:38 PM

20. I totally disagree!

Why will Brown be the clear favorite?

What negative chords has Kerry struck, and with whom? He's smart, has lots of diplomatic experience, and is not a hawk.

And if Sen. Kerry wants it and it's been offered, I think he's earned it and deserves it.



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Response to babylonsister (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:10 PM

37. They scurred

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:59 PM

21. I think John Kerry will do very well as SOS.

He knows the issues, he is good at quiet diplomacy. Biden and he both would have been excellent Sec of States but Biden is now VP.
And Mass has plenty of good Dems. Scott Brown can be beat with the right person.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:48 PM

22. Democrats need to stop being fucking cowards! Why are we afraid of Scott Brown?!?!

I can't believe that Democrats have no one to go up against a weak candidate like Scott Brown. He just freakin' lost! We have proven that we can defeat big monied interests, so that's not the problem. Contrary to what the Corporate Media says--on the left and right--Scott Brown is not an attractive candidate. At best, he lies well, but I think Liz Warren exposed him for the liar and charlatan he is this year. If she can beat him, not having any political experience at all, he can be beaten again. The man is not God. He is not invincible. I'm just saying: I don't get why Democrats are so afraid of Scott Brown.

Let's please stop being afraid of Republicans. Like someone said: if we can't win in MA, then we don't deserve to win, period!


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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:33 PM

25. Because the people here like him.

If Kerry goes to SOS Brown will be US Senator for a long time.

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Response to Gargoyle22 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:46 PM

42. If they liked him, they would've voted for him. They didn't.

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Response to Gargoyle22 (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:43 PM

54. Is that why he just got kicked out, even though he was an incumbent

with two years on the job?

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:39 PM

27. Maybe because he won Ted Kennedy's Senate seat 2 years ago

duh

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:03 PM

29. Then he lost, or

are you thinking that he should be feared forever because he won once?

It appears President Obama isn't the one afraid of Republicans. His critics appear to be terrified.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:12 PM

38. +1 n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:55 PM

48. +1 n/t

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:46 PM

41. No! Maybe because we had the worst candidate in Martha Coakley. DUH!!!

Let's stop being cowards!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:09 PM

45. +1

Why would the same voters who sent Kerry to the Senate and Elizabeth Warren now send Brown back again? He had his chance.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

26. Kerry no longer wants to be in the Senate

He's been a good public servant. Lets him do what he wants to do. He wanted to be nominated the first time

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:42 PM

28. Kerry has paid his dues. He can have this position if he wants it. No need to fall on the sword...

for the good of the Party.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:08 PM

30. Teddy passed the torch to Pres.Obama, now Pres. Obama is passing the torch back to the Kennedy's!

 

Remember that Teddy and most of the family passed the torch to President Obama.
Now, President Obama can pass the torch back to the Kennedy's with this genius move to name Kerry SOS and open the seat for Vicky to return the Kennedy name to the Senate


We clearly will benefit if/when Ms. Kennedy takes the office,after being elected a few months from now, after an interim candidate is appointed (perhaps Mike Dukakis?) and then the
Dream Lives ON.
And its not too early to hope Senator Kennedy leads the Democratic party for decades and someday becomes Vice President to Hillary in 2016 and President in 2024.

The decade of the woman will continue.

And Vicky is already 100% behind seeing to it that guns are eliminated from society so who better to be the best Senator the Democrats will have than Vicky Kennedy.

To think that soon Mass. will have in power such great people as Vicky Kennedy, Deval Patrick, and Eliz. Warren, with Vicky leading the way.

THE DREAM TRULY LIVES ON AND ON AND ON!!!

Thank you President Obama for this genius move! I appreciate your fab 9 step ahead thinking chess match that politics is. (so great that I didn't even get it til yesterday).

THE DREAM TRULY LIVES ON!

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:35 PM

32. You just proved you know very little about Kerry who's BEEN Obama's top diplomat the last 4 yrs

for dealing with the most volatile regions. The other nations have praised him as one of the best diplomats the US has ever tapped.

You shouldn't tell people what should be done when you really don't know enough to offer an opinion, let alone a declaration.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:39 PM

33. Kerry will never put in the blood, sweat and tears

Hillary has. He is the consumate politician. He'll be great at the photo ops,
and will make the perfect diplomatic speeches as required. The world is so
complicated and requires a SOS that will immerse themselves selflessly in
the position giving up the creature comforts that Kerry is use too.

We were fortunately to have Hillary the last four years. I hope she hasn't
sacrificed her health for the work she has done the last four years.

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:47 PM

35. That was absolutely ABSURD. No one familiar with Kerry's diplomatic tasks the last 4 years would

make such an absurd and demonstrably false statement. Kerry was DOING a lot of the heavy lifting FOR Obama and the State Dept in the most volatile regions and doing it quietly.

You just proved you paid as much attention the last 4 years as the OP did.

CNN:

<<He is no stranger to diplomacy and has often traveled overseas on behalf of the Obama administration as a diplomatic troubleshooter and to mend frayed relationships. Kerry persuaded Afghan President Hamid Karzai to agree to an election runoff in 2009 and has traveled Pakistan after a series of incidents, including the raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"There are very few people with greater experience over a longer period of time," notes Nicholas Burns, a former career ambassador who has served every secretary of state since Warren Christopher, and was most recently undersecretary for political affairs under Condoleezza Rice."He would be a very, very impressive choice."
"You really need someone who is a renaissance person with a tremendous range of skill, both political and substantive, with a deep reservoir of knowledge" Burns said in an interview. "You need someone who can drill several layers deep on foreign policy issues."

<<< Kerry is one of the well-traveled senators to the Middle East, has a good feel for the region and knows many of the players. Kerry insiders say a Secretary of State Kerry would want to play a big role shaping policy for in the Mideast and try to help solve some of intractable issues, including delving heavily into the peace process.
Kerry also has displayed a particular interest in climate change and energy, and sources say he is likely to give special emphasis to those issues. His wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, has used some of her fortune to support environmental groups.>>>

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:02 PM

36. John's been doing the hard work for a long time

It was he who was leading the charge against BCCI. Remember that? John's been working with and for the Foreign Relations committee ever since he testified at the Winter Soldier investingations by then chairman J. William Fulbright in 1971. Can anyone doubt the depth of his knowledge, experience, and committmitment?

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:47 PM

43. Your post is utterly ridiculous!

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:44 PM

49. No offense,

But you don't know what you're talking about.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:15 PM

50. There's nothing I wanr more than for Kerry to

prove me wrong. There's too much at stake.

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:12 PM

55. Prove you wrong? Everything you wrote was BS. You proved you didn't pay attention for 4yrs

to international issues or to who was actually doing the heavy lifting for the WH.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:42 PM

34. Kerry is a good choice

for SOS, imo

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:17 PM

39. John Kerry is exactly the right person for the job of SoS

He will be an outstanding Secretary of State.
And , having been asleep for the special election that ultimately brought us Scott Brown, MA Dems have learned their lesson thoroughly. They will find a strong candidate and they will support that candidate in his/her election.
Scott Brown is not the clear favorite. At all. He lost a lot of credibility in the most recent election.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:28 PM

40. Kerry is a good choice

As far as putting his Senate seat at risk, I think it would hopefully follow that the Democrats would put someone forward who could win. Good grief, there must be a Democrat in MA who could win.

Why would Scott Brown be a favorite to replace Kerry? He just lost. Why would the citizens of MA vote him in this time?

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:04 PM

44. He will do a great job. He's a brilliant man and will represent America well.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:33 PM

46. So fuck Kerry,as long as you're happy.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:52 PM

47. I think Gary Locke would be a good Secretary of State

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:19 PM

52. Kerry will be a great SOS. Sorry you don't get your way.

 

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:19 PM

53. Vicky Kennedy for Senate, then President after Hillary. She can defeat Brown or Weld

 

and have someone like markey temporarily interim. He is not a good choice for long term though

Vicky can be the senator Mass has not had since Teddy died.

And Vicky knows how to win elections as she helped Ted beat Mitt badly a few years back

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:16 PM

56. WHo care what you think.

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