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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:40 PM

DAMN!!! that boy looks crazy

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And the mother had guns in her house around this kid WTF!!!! was she thinking http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9746904/Suspected-gunman-was-smart-but-shy-nerd.html

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Reply DAMN!!! that boy looks crazy (Original post)
bigdarryl Dec 2012 OP
dkf Dec 2012 #1
Lionessa Dec 2012 #5
arcane1 Dec 2012 #8
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #26
Myrina Dec 2012 #31
Lionessa Dec 2012 #2
jody Dec 2012 #4
bigdarryl Dec 2012 #7
Lionessa Dec 2012 #12
EmeraldCityGrl Dec 2012 #22
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2012 #3
crim son Dec 2012 #6
CJCRANE Dec 2012 #9
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #10
Lionessa Dec 2012 #13
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #14
Lionessa Dec 2012 #16
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #18
Lionessa Dec 2012 #19
alphafemale Dec 2012 #25
Lionessa Dec 2012 #27
bayareamike Dec 2012 #30
alphafemale Dec 2012 #41
Myrina Dec 2012 #32
Squinch Dec 2012 #11
alphafemale Dec 2012 #15
Lionessa Dec 2012 #17
alphafemale Dec 2012 #20
Lionessa Dec 2012 #21
alphafemale Dec 2012 #23
OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #37
alphafemale Dec 2012 #42
bayareamike Dec 2012 #48
Texin Dec 2012 #52
left on green only Dec 2012 #36
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #24
Little Star Dec 2012 #28
mn9driver Dec 2012 #29
Tutonic Dec 2012 #33
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #34
graywarrior Dec 2012 #35
NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #38
OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #39
elehhhhna Dec 2012 #51
John2 Dec 2012 #40
alphafemale Dec 2012 #43
Aristus Dec 2012 #44
Amonester Dec 2012 #45
alphafemale Dec 2012 #46
Amonester Dec 2012 #47
bayareamike Dec 2012 #49
Amonester Dec 2012 #50
Tx4obama Dec 2012 #53

Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:41 PM

1. I always wonder if they pick the most "crazy eye" pic they can find for these stories.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:44 PM

5. Exactly. I saw a conglomeration of Hillary photos,

 

yes Hillary Clinton, and there a few that being caught in the process of expressing herself looked quite deranged as well, and yet I'd don't think anyone could claim she is deranged. Since we know her to be sane, we make the logical adjustment of recognizing that these were not moments of insanity but moments of expression captured out of context.

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:49 PM

8. Yes, yes they do

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:01 PM

26. I think so. n/t

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:29 PM

31. My first thought as well.

Interesting how, as far back as Lee Harvey Oswald, it's always the "smart, shy nerd" that's "emotionally unstable".
Wonder whatever in the world would make folks want to get violent? Couldn't have anything to do with societal stereotyping and ridicule, could it?


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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:42 PM

2. "Looks" crazy. People like you only make folks like Adam feel even more

 

isolated and angry. WTF have LOOKS got to do with a damned thing!

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:44 PM

4. Agree. nt

 

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:46 PM

7. We don't know if he was isolated but its obvious he had problems mentally

That's why I question all the guns in that home

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:14 PM

12. It is nearly NEVER evident through a "look" to determine mental illness, particularly one

 

in a still shot with no context.

You're really ignorant for posting such bullshit as "he looks crazy".

F' you and the ignorance you rode in on and tried to spread. Thank goodness a few of us have jumped on it right quick.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:19 PM

22. +1

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:42 PM

3. his face looks skeletal

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:46 PM

6. However he looks, he had issues.

He should have had no access to guns.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:54 PM

9. I think I looked at the mother's facebook page yesterday.

It's a strange world we live in where we can all be armchair detectives.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:56 PM

10. So, he's 20 years old, super smart, and pushed by his mother to succeed

But he's not enrolled in a university, and appears to have no job?

Something's stinky here.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:16 PM

13. Makes perfect sense.

 

Super smart, but passive, bullied by an agressive gun lovin' mom to man-up, ... causes lots of social issues that can keep one from being able to hold a job, and school for really smart folks generally sucks because you're supposed to be learning, not already smarter than the teach.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:24 PM

14. Most really smart folks still go to college

Probably in the order of 95% or more. Especially when they come from a culture of college like this kid, whose brother went to college (at Quinnipiac) and whose father TAUGHT in universities. Come on, now.

This whole "I'm too smart for school" because I'm smarter than my professors thing is a load of shite. If this kid was as smart as they say, and not clearly disturbed sufficient for the parents to have done something or taken precautions with the firearms, he would almost certainly have been in university, and not sitting around the house doing nothing.

If I was twenty and had no job and no classes, I wouldn't be sitting around the house long. Unless my mother knew I was sick.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:37 PM

16. Not if they also have issues from a bully parent, they might not.

 

And as for what you'd be doing??? Well I imagine the economy isn't what it used to be. I certainly would never have believed I'd be idle enough to spend a few hours every day typing my opinions on matters either, but alas there are few jobs and school is way expensive. Not all parents are agreeable to paying for college either. Mine weren't, even though so rich I couldn't get any aid at all. Parents, though never allowing me to participate in the types of activities in HS that get scholarships, declared that if I didn't get a schollarship, tough shit, you're on your own.

The point is we don't know, and to suggest as you are that there MUST be something fishy with the kid Adam rather than with the family as a whole, especially the apparently gunloving nut he had as a mother is just ignorant and speculative.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:43 PM

18. It doesn't make much sense

You can tapdance all you like - common sense tells us that a "very brilliant" rich kid at 20 would most likely have something going on, and probably college, if there wasn't something wrong. Could it be otherwise? Of course. I'm not making a universal claim, but a claim of probability. You have a twenty year old in a culture of university education and high academic achievement, with plenty of money, and supposedly brilliant. Sitting home. It's possible, but not probable.

It's all speculation. But this don't add up. I'll leave you to the tapdancing.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:51 PM

19. Unfortunately adults of child abuse rarely make much sense to those that don't

 

experience it. The more I hear about the mother, the more certain I am that this isn't just about guns, it's about child abuse from a raging winger.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:56 PM

25. It is not an acceptable reaction to slaughter a bunch of babies

That is complete bullshit.

I have no sympathy at all for that piece of human dung.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:01 PM

27. Thing is, you wouldn't have had any sympathy for him before he killed,

 

and there in a nutshell is likely his problem, and more importantly ours. He clearly needed help but didn't get it, probably was demonized instead. You must be one of those folks that believes everything is a "personal responsibility". If it takes a village to raise a child, then it also took the village to screw one up so badly he did this.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:17 PM

30. You're assuming she abused him without any evidence. That's a huge flaw in your premise.

Granted, the kid should've gotten help. But he SLAUGHTERED 20+ people, mostly kids that weren't even 10 years old. He deserves no sympathy.

As an aside, he did have mental issues. Putting how he looks in one picture aside for a moment he was, according to his brother, autistic and possibly sociopathic. That is the real story here. It's a story about a sick kid who needed help and didn't receive it. Steering into the territory of blaming the mom for her parenting failures without any evidence is ridiculous.

The only guilty party, as far as we know, is the deranged gunman.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:22 AM

41. boom goes the dynamite

weeping over a mass killer of babies and demonizing his mother

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:34 PM

32. Description fits my daughter's boyfriend to a Tee.

Except that he is in college (sorta) ... "taking online classes" from the State U (campus is 2 miles away) so he doesn't have to deal with all the assholes he'd have to see/interact with every day. His parents are total knuckle-dragging assholes who worship his high-school wrestler younger brother, but BF, with his quiet introverted lean toward writing & foreign films is treated like shit.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:04 PM

11. She was thinking that she was a responsible gun owner. They all do, you know.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:27 PM

15. oh the poor thing

all he needed was a hug.


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Response to alphafemale (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:40 PM

17. That would be sarcastic, if it wasn't potentially true.

 

When a mother refuses to accept her son, bullies him because he's a geek or nerd, it is entirely possible he had a tremendous hug deficiency and that in fact some hugs and acceptance by others might have made a difference. It sure did iin mine, I was fortunate to find a few folks who traded sex for treating me like I mattered, yes, pedophiles, but they probably saved me and gave me the personal "hugs" that I can only imagine someone like Adam may never have found.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:00 PM

20. I wish I believed in Hell.

So I could believe the little fuck was burning in it.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:05 PM

21. So much for our society recognizing the needs of the mentally unstable.

 

I'm sure he heard plenty of that kind of talk long before he grabbed a gun. Misfits are way too demonized before they have even done anything wrong, so they see it as no real issue when they decide to do something demonic.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:47 PM

23. poor thing.

try to force someone to take their meds.

poor poor thing.

let's weep for the little fuck that slaughtered babies.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:23 PM

37. You have no idea how "demonized" he was or wasn't.

Just because people described him as "nerd" doesn't mean he was bullied. I have known probably hundreds of people in my life that I have described or would describe as nerds if anyone asked. It doesn't mean I bullied any of them. Some of them were close friends. some might even describe me as a nerd. But I was never bullied.

Why are you making excuses for him?

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:31 AM

42. but she is demonizing the mother without evidence.

and even if he had been plenty of people go through that and haven' t slaughter a room full of babies. In fact he' s the first little fuck to do such a horrid thing ever.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:28 PM

48. Exactly.

The excuses are an attempt to rationalize an irrational action by a sick, deranged person.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:45 PM

52. Indeed. All I see in that photo is a pretty typical teen who hasn't grown into his body.

My young nephew didn't look all that much different from this young man, and he was battling with terrible acne at the time when he was in the first couple years of high school. He matured well and looks handsome today in his mid-twenties. He never had the developmental and apparent psychological problems that this young man had, though. That makes a hell of a lot of difference in the outcome of geeky-looking kids that don't fit into the A-list group at school. Middle and high schools are torture for many (if not the majority) of kids who aren't the golden ones. My heart breaks almost as much for this young man, his late mother and their surviving family members and it does for the other victims. It's pretty clear that he had a troubled adolesence, teen years and up until now. I think his mother was probably having a difficult time dealing with his issues. But I'll also bet that she didn't believe he was capable of harboring violent and perhaps delusional thoughts to the extent that he'd grab his guns and storm an elementary school. We don't know enough details - and may never know - about exactly what was happening within the last few weeks that precipitated this act. How can anyone justifiably villify this young man as an evil monster when we don't know what was going on inside his head?

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:36 PM

36. It is clear to me that your level on consciousness exceeds by far the ilk of this thread.

However I commend you in your efforts to try and elevate them to the level of understanding that you embrace. It shouldn't have to take someone who has been there to comprehend any of your points, but sadly that appears to be the case.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:48 PM

24. How does one "look crazy"?

You can't determine the state of a person's mental health by a "look," especially an appearance in a photograph. The photo captures just an instant of a person's appearance and means nothing by itself. If you see a person wandering around drooling and with their eyes rolled back in their head, you might reasonably conclude there's something wrong. Otherwise, you can't. Pick any high school yearbook at random, or anybody's drivers' license or passport. Half the time the photo makes the person look nuts or drunk or stoned or half asleep.

I hate it when the photo of some alleged perp appears on the internet and everybody goes, "Oh, yeah, he looks really crazy (or evil, or whatever)." Fact is, lots of really bad or deranged people can look perfectly normal (whatever that means), and lots of very normal people can look seriously weird in some photos.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:10 PM

28. Your right and Ted Bundy popped into my head as I read your post.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:12 PM

29. It looks like a mugshot, and he looks frightened nt.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:46 PM

33. Dude Looks LIke A Lady

Aerosmith.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:53 PM

34. Too thin, looks tormented.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:14 PM

35. Sanpaku!

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:35 PM

38. Suspected gunman was 'smart but shy nerd'

So was Jeffrey Dahmer.

Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:50 PM

39. And no one reported Dahmer either. Even though his apt stunk like rotting flesh.

I am tired of family, friends, and neighbors enabling this shit. Hey America: Notice that people are crazy and get weapons away from them! Get them help! Call the fucking police! Do something!

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:27 PM

51. so was einstein

so?

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:59 PM

40. He sounds

 

like a recluse. It doesn't sound like he liked living and hated society. His family was pretty successful and very rich, it seems. His mother should have got him some help. Her fetish with guns was extreme. She seemed to be the one pushing him?

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Response to John2 (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:39 AM

43. You can' t MAKE someone get mental help in this country

You can' t MAKE someone take their meds.

Many people are dangerous and everyone knows it but their is nothing that can be done until they hurt somebody and then you just lock their ass up.

Something needs to change.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:29 PM

44. Shit! How many times did that fucking article mention video games?

As if that was the root of the problem. "Oh no, don't look over there at the guns! Look here! Look here! Here at the video games! This is the cause of all this!"

Fuck, man...

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:38 PM

45. Maybe he was "bullied" at that school by "schoolyard bullies" (?)

wouldn't "surprise" moi...

"Maybe" his mom was a "sarah-palin" lover-follower (?)

wouldn't "surprise" moi neither...

tea-bagging stoopidity "look-alike" a lot ...

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Response to Amonester (Reply #45)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:01 PM

46. omg

This weepung for this fucking asshole that slaughtered babies is beyond vile.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:05 PM

47. What weepung?

this fucking asshole may have (or may not have) been 'bullied' by other fucking assholes?

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Response to Amonester (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:33 PM

49. From the accounts of his time in high school,

it doesn't seem like bullying was a major issue. Many of the accounts I've read describe him as being a complete loner, not a nerd/geek who was bullied or abused by his fellow students. From what I've read people more or less left him to his own devices and didn't give him a bad time. We'll see what new accounts come out as this story develops, of course.

In any case, being bullied will never justify the killing of innocents. Ever.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:12 PM

50. I agree with that: "will never justify" any killing, of course.

It's just a question I am asking myself. 'Something' might have 'happened' there, maybe before those who described him being this way (maybe 'something' that 'made' him 'become' a complete loner or whatever) that he never told them?

The 'mitt romney' types are everywhere, and they 'perform' their 'personality destructions' differently on young boys who 'look' defenceless, you know ... that's all I am asking myself about ...

We may never know.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:03 PM

53. Locking. OP not does conform to the SOP of the Politics2012 forum.


Politics2012 Statement of Purpose
A forum for general discussion of United States politics, campaigns, and elections, at all levels of government in 2012.


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