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Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:35 PM

Wisconsin just upped their fee to recount from 1.1 million to 3.5 MILLION -trying to block recount

Guess we all need to donate a little more!!! Sounds like Wisconsin really is fearful of a recount. From Jill on Facebook:

Friends, I have an important message to you. We need your help to stand up to the powerful forces trying to block our recounts campaign for citizen democracy. We received word yesterday that the final estimate for the filing fee for the recount in Wisconsin is $3.5 million—an outrageous cost increase from the initial estimate of $1.1 million that was given to us by WI state elections officials based on the last statewide recount. But thanks to over 130,000 small-dollar donors like you, we have enough money in hand to pay this fee and move forward with the recount!

I’ll be coming live to you on Facebook later today to discuss this new development and where we need to go from here. Despite the outrageous obstacles being thrown in our way, we are determined to keep standing up for democracy and for a voting system that we can trust. Please tune in then.

We stand by our commitment to verify that the vote in Wisconsin was accurate and secure and this exorbitant cost will not deter us. While this excessive fee places an undue burden on our efforts, we are committed to paying this cost in order to ensure that the voting in Wisconsin was accurate. It is another sign of a democracy in crisis that ordinary citizens must pay so steep a price in order to assure the validity of our votes. The grassroots demand for a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania will not be stopped, and we look forward to working with the Elections Commissions in Wisconsin and the other states to see this through. We will be alerting recount advocates that we must now raise an additional $2.4 million dollars to cover this new extraordinary burden in Wisconsin. In doing so, we are committed to ensuring that a secure vote should not come at such an unconscionable cost. As citizens in a democracy, it should be our right.

https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

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Reply Wisconsin just upped their fee to recount from 1.1 million to 3.5 MILLION -trying to block recount (Original post)
womanofthehills Nov 2016 OP
womanofthehills Nov 2016 #1
Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #5
triron Nov 2016 #17
womanofthehills Nov 2016 #23
triron Nov 2016 #24
RandiFan1290 Nov 2016 #25
Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #2
Botany Nov 2016 #3
Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #4
Botany Nov 2016 #13
Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #6
Aimee in OKC Nov 2016 #7
Scoopster Nov 2016 #8
Ellipsis Nov 2016 #11
LanternWaste Nov 2016 #12
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #22
KewlKat Nov 2016 #9
Ellipsis Nov 2016 #10
Achilleaze Nov 2016 #14
MichMan Nov 2016 #15
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #19
philosslayer Nov 2016 #16
KewlKat Nov 2016 #18
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #20
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #21
HassleCat Nov 2016 #26
mbusby Nov 2016 #27
AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #28

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:01 PM

5. "Why do American's have to pay to get a fair election?"

For the same reason that everyone has to pay to protect their Civil Rights. I remember a song from long ago, from a troop of singers. They would come out with their opener, "Freedom isn't Free." And they're right. This country talks about Civil Right in the abstract. But, in the concrete, real world, our American Rights have been privatized. You want them? You'll have to pay a lawyer, eventually, in order to exercise them.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:03 PM

17. Do you have a link?

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Response to triron (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:11 PM

23. He was on Randi's Show - first half hour on Nov 28

She is live every day on Youtube, her Facebook page and her web page 2-4 Mountain time. I have a podcast but I think some of the past shows are available - randirhodes.com

Randi was a big Bernie fan, but is giving Hillary her 100% now.

Greg Palist said he would be coming out with a post of questions and answers about the recounts.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:20 PM

24. Thanks but not a member

so could not access

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Response to triron (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:25 PM

25. Free on YouTube

Hit 'Subscribe' to get a reminder


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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:52 PM

2. Even if some of us don't trust Jill Stein

This may be our only hope...I plan to donate more later today when I get home from work.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:53 PM

3. Wisconsin is dirty

Ever wonder how Scott Walker survived his recall vote?

It is time for America to wake and smell the coffee and that is republicans cheat.

Brownback won Kansas even though republicans and democrats did not like him in Kansas.

The democratic Sec. of State in Kentucky lost by 9 points even though he was 5 points up
going into the 2015 governor's race.


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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:01 PM

4. Walker survived because the Dems didn't get out the vote for the actual recall

 

All the energy was spent getting the signature for the recall. People were tired of it by the time the recall election came along. Additionally, the Repubs painted teachers as the enemy quite well and people were pissed at the time of the recall.

There was nothing dirty in that recall other than taint of the tactics used to get the votes.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:30 PM

13. Not true the metrics to watch were Madison and Milwaukee and the turn out those metro area ...

... were huge.

A study showed a 12 point "drift" to Walker post election. Although I don't live in
WI i followed the recall and remember noting that 2 very red counties in N.W. WI
had more signatures for a recall then Walker had votes in the prior governor's race.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:03 PM

6. Where is the direct link to the donate page?

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:08 PM

8. Seems awfully shady, on both sides.

It's not a surprise that the state commission, which is basically controlled by Scott Walker, is gonna stand in the way of this no matter what. And they're not adverse to making big bucks off of it either.

That said, it's really disingenuous of Jill Stein to claim that they don't have the money. They're raised nearly $7 million already to fund the recounts in WI/MI/PA and associated legal fees, which is more than enough to cover this new increased fee up front. Honestly, this massive hypocrisy is why she gained no traction - she accuses other candidates of being disingenuous (using the same "proof" that the GOP has been pushing for 40 years), then turns around and does exactly the thing she just accused someone else of.

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Response to Scoopster (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:18 PM

11. The state gives an estimate. If it costs less they'll give it back... eventually.

They apparently have been watching the news.

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Response to Scoopster (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:22 PM

12. Filing Fees alone: WI, 1.1 million; PA, 0.6 million, MI, 0.5 million.

Filing Fees alone: WI, $1.1 million; PA, $0.6 million, MI, $0.5 million. Add to this attorney's fees for each filing ($2-3 million), and statewide recount observers ($2 million). And now an approximately $2 million add-on by WI.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:46 PM

22. Stein just raised her fundraising goal

to $9.5 million.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:09 PM

9. will this be statewide HAND COUNT?

Or still left up to the clerks? Will the counts INCLUDE the provisioal and absentee ballots? Don't we need the hand counts to prove the numbers are wrong?

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:15 PM

10. We still don't know.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:40 PM

14. Moving the goalposts - how Republican is that?

Repubbies get their "ethics" from a frikken cesspool.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:00 PM

15. At least the taxpayers arent responsible

Michigan officials are estimating that the recount will cost 2-3 times what the cost to Stein will be making the taxpayers responsible for the difference.

Stein has the right to request a recount and the cost is specified in the law, but it isn't right that someone who got 1% of the vote should be able to put that burden on the state when there is very little chance of it succeeding. I hope the Michigan Legislature revises the recount fees similar to Wisconsin's moving forward.

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Response to MichMan (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:36 PM

19. Same here

My understanding is that if there is a recount in Michigan, the counties will have to eat the difference between the actual cost and what Stein pays.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:27 PM

16. I just donated 100

 

Dig deep. Please!!!!!

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:33 PM

18. They're now saying they added the numbers wrong and it's now almost 3.9 million. They

took the 3.5 and will bill her for the remaining.

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:37 PM

20. If they actually spend that much

If they don't spend the $3.5 million, she'll get a refund.

Of course, if she wins in court and gets a hand recount, she should expect $3.9 to look like a bargain.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:40 PM

21. i'm sure the WI GOP isn't trying to cover anything up.... not. donating some more... nt

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:42 PM

26. I am ashamed

 

Born and raised there. What a cesspool it has become.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:30 PM

27. Donated some more...

...almost out of blood. Getting pale...

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:39 PM

28. And THAT is why we must continue the recount. If there was ever any doubt, the

Fact that they want to raise it to 3.5 million speaks volumes to the corruption. Now more than ever, this recount needs to happen.

Boy. I didn't realize how dirty Wisconsin has become. Should have known since Paul Ryan is there...

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