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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:09 PM

Huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee attributed the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in part to restrictions on school prayer and religious materials in the classroom.

"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?" Law enforcement has released few details on the alleged gunman, but Huckabee suggested that the separation of church and state may have spurred his rampage.

"e've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability -- that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment," Huckabee said. "If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that."

He said those suffering from a crisis from faith should look to God in the community's response to the violence. But he added that "Maybe we ought to let in on the front end and we wouldn't have to call him to show up when it's all said and done at the back end."

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Reply Huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’ (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2012 OP
Trillo Dec 2012 #1
muntrv Dec 2012 #2
Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #3
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #10
Sugarcoated Dec 2012 #13
Hekate Dec 2012 #22
Squinch Dec 2012 #33
noel711 Dec 2012 #39
regnaD kciN Dec 2012 #4
mercuryblues Dec 2012 #5
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #45
earthside Dec 2012 #6
quaker bill Dec 2012 #7
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #8
gkhouston Dec 2012 #9
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #11
xtraxritical Dec 2012 #16
Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #12
world wide wally Dec 2012 #27
Lugia Dec 2012 #14
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #15
Generic Brad Dec 2012 #17
Myrina Dec 2012 #42
SoonerPride Dec 2012 #18
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #19
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #20
Jennicut Dec 2012 #21
Hekate Dec 2012 #23
SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #24
world wide wally Dec 2012 #25
struggle4progress Dec 2012 #26
Azathoth Dec 2012 #28
ladjf Dec 2012 #29
lunatica Dec 2012 #30
jimmy the one Dec 2012 #31
baldguy Dec 2012 #32
BootinUp Dec 2012 #34
Kei7777 Dec 2012 #35
Iggo Dec 2012 #36
Joe the Progressive Dec 2012 #37
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #38
AndyA Dec 2012 #40
Springslips Dec 2012 #43
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #41
davidpdx Dec 2012 #44
yellowcanine Dec 2012 #46

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:11 PM

1. Is he implying a Christian or Religious fundamentalist/extremist was the shooter? NT

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:12 PM

2. That's right Huckster! We need to put Gawd back into schools

because your supporters are too lazy or too hungover to get their shit asses out of bed and go to church on Sundays!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:13 PM

3. I wonder what he says when people have been killed in churches

has god also stayed away from those churches??





The huckster is truly an idiot

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:45 PM

10. That's a good point!

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:06 PM

13. An Amish school house . . .

you can't get more Godly than that.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:20 AM

22. A Unitarian Universalist church

Good people.

Huck is harking back to a time that did not exist, except in private religious schools, which are still available today to anyone who wants them. The former public school prayer in the morning or grace before lunch was hardly the evangelical scenario he paints, though it did leave the door open for bigots to do their thing to nonconformers, which btw is why it got banned.

Sorry to have to say this, but the charming and likable Preacher Huck is an ass.

Hekate

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:27 AM

33. Sikh temple. Also good people. Huckabee's position is evil. The lowest form of self-promotion. nt

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:16 PM

39. Dr. George Tiller...

Killed in church...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:14 PM

4. No, Mikey, it's because we DIDN'T...

...systematically remove guns.



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:18 PM

5. But huckabee also said this



HUCKABEE: I don’t know anyone in America who is a more effective communicator I just wish that every single young person in America would be able to be under his tutelage and understand something about who we really are as a nation. I almost wish that there would be something like a simultaneous telecast and all Americans would be forced, forced — at gun point no less — to listen to every David Barton message. And I think our country would be better for it. I wish it’d happen.

March 2011 at a rediscove God in America conference.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:21 AM

45. Forced at gunpoint to listen to a fraud?

Isn't Barton the easily & often debunked historian the radical right loves?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:21 PM

6. Who is this 'go' of yours Mr. Huckabee?

It is a very odd 'god' ... who claiming to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient lets 20 kindergartners be murdered at the hands of one mad man.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:31 PM

7. What a load of excrement.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:33 PM

8. Pfft..

Hey Huck, maybe the gunman went to church every Sunday.Don't push your religious extremism.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:38 PM

9. The stupid is strong in this one. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:47 PM

11. Actually, we didn't have so many of these horrible massacres

back when mainstream Christianity was the strongest religion, and fundamentalism was a fringe movement.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 PM

16. We have a winner!

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:55 PM

12. With Conseratives pushing for guns I am thinking the churches are to blame.

Churches only have about an hour per week to reach everyone and this time is spent pushing hate of different groups and hate towards women like the stupid statements by Todd Akin. The churches are passing information there was going to be riots if Romney won the election and on and on. An abortion nut went into a church and milled a doctor and I heard many "conservatives" who thought this is a good thing, it is not good. Huckabee is a member of FOX news who pushes hate and lies, why doesn't he tell FOX what a bad job they are doing. Get the churches to bring Jesus into their hearts and show their members how to love one another as Jesus taught us to do. You will not bring in as much money but God has rewards for us later. Huckabee will eat his words before long, it seems to come to pass we are shown the light one way or another, in a time he should be showing compassion he wants to blame the schools, is this What Jesus Would Do, be a man of God and not a man of Satan.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:31 AM

27. Jesus wept: John 11;35

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:27 PM

14. Total 100% Authentic

Bullshit!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:34 PM

15. I betcha many of those students go to church

And what about those that go to sunday school, bible study, confirmation classes, etc?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:20 PM

17. There's no gun play in my atheist household

A lack of religious belief does not equal immorality and violence.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:43 PM

42. ^ This

Thank you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:21 PM

18. Fuck You Huckabee.

I think that about covers my sentiments.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:46 PM

19. Kids invoke God every morning with the pledge of allegiance.

Every morning, they chant we are "One nation, under God..." and yet it did not save them. As usual, Huckabee does not know what the fuck he is talking about. And the 20-year-old who shot up these kids did not go to that school. Those kids' lack of prayer did not cause their deaths. But leave it to Huckabee and the nutbag "Christians" to blame the tiny victims. Sick.

If there is a hell, Huckabee, you will be crackling in it for eternity.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:48 PM

20. That's as nasty as anything Westboro Baptist pulls

 

Huckabee is every bit as nasty as those fuckers who protest funerals.

No, make that worse.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:53 PM

21. Message to all southern white baptist idiots: Connecticut has plenty of churches.

I belong to one in hedonistic, ultra blue, satantic Connecticut.

We just don't have the need to flaunt our religious beliefs here and shove them in other people's faces. Because we are New Englanders and that is how we are.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:22 AM

23. Works for me, Jennicut.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:09 AM

24. I'm sick of these

Evangelical assholes!
Not a fucking peep out of his mouth regarding...for all practical purposes....placing murderous assault weapons in the hands of deranged psychopaths.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:13 AM

25. Sick motherfucking, self righteous asshole

and you're an asshole because....?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:18 AM

26. Translation: "Oboy oboy oboy! I can get my name in the news again!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:36 AM

28. Falwell kicked the bucket and Robertson is going senile, so I guess Huck smells an opportunity

Look for him to open his own university in the next couple years.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:42 AM

29. Please Mr. Huckabee. Would you please shut up. We have enough problems without your

steady streams of superstitious and dumb assesments.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:16 AM

30. You know what Asshole? If that's your God you can fucking have him!

If he were in front of me I'd spit in his face.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:18 AM

31. The Lord is a man of war

huckabee: Schools ‘A Place Of Carnage’ Because We ‘Systematically Removed God’

Maybe that's why God is angry, huck? Exodus 15-3 The Lord is a man of war:

English Standard Version (©2001)
The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his name.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
The LORD is a warrior; Yahweh is His name.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.


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Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
"Jehovah is a man of war:" one who knows how to make war, and possesses the power to destroy His foes. "Jehovah is His name:" i.e., He has just proved Himself to be the God who rules with unlimited might. For (Exodus 15:4) "Pharaoh's chariots and his might (his military force) He cast into the sea, and the choice (the chosen ones) of his knights (shelishim, see Exodus 14) were drowned in the Red Sea."



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:26 AM

32. Any god that would allow innocent children to be massacred

simply because he doesn't get the mindless, sycophantic worship he feels he deserves - doesn't deserve to be honored or worshiped.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:00 AM

34. This is basically taking advantage of a horrible tragedy

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to gain attention.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:11 AM

35. If this many was president things would have been scary, that's for sure.

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:25 AM

36. Then your god is weak, Mr Huckabee...

...and deserving only of our scorn.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:07 PM

37. ...And Hurricane Sandy happened because God was mad at the Jets for not starting Tebow.

The Fundamental Christians on television never cease to amaze me with their bullshit. Huckabee's latest reasoning is just another head scratcher in a long line from the right. Remember when Pat Robertson claimed that the earthquake in Haiti was a result of a deal the Haitians made with the devil? Or, that Hurricane Katrina was divine retribution for America's abortion policies?

No, natural disasters don't happen because God is mad at us. Their thinking is straight from 1000 years ago when the village elders would explain that an eclipse happened because one of them was masturbating too much. So, they would burn him at the stake...and just for good measure sacrifice a virgin to make God happy.

This tragedy didn't happen because we have a separation of church and state in America. It didn't happen because we banned school prayer. It happened because a sick individual was too easily able to get his hands on a gun.

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Response to Joe the Progressive (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:08 PM

38. Well said my friend and welcome to DU.

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Response to Joe the Progressive (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:52 PM

40. Welcome to DU, Joe the Progressive!



I've never understood religious zealots who believe there is an angry God, just looking for a reason to smite people. But the same people who are telling these zealots that's the way it is are also asking them to send money, because that will save them. Send us money, we will pray for you. Buy our crap, you will be saved.

I agree completely that much of this is based on beliefs from eons ago, and we depend on the interpretation of people from that time to be factual and accurate. Whether it truly is or not, is something we'll likely never know for certain.

Guns are too easy to obtain today, and we are seeing all too frequently the results of this ease of access.

Thanks for posting, and again, welcome to DU!

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Response to Joe the Progressive (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

43. Truth is

That a vengeful God isn't founded on the New Testiment, which is supposed to be a new deal, and the foundation of Christian theology. Supposedly, God was done with meddling in human after he sacrificed his son. And so belief in him is he only way to salvation, not by being compelled by divine ordered natural ( or in this case human) events.

What these jokers believe is comes more from classic paganism-- rain hasn't come because we made Zeus angry kind of stuff.

This originated when Middle Eastern Christiananity mixed with the paganism in tribal Europe. Want to drivea fundamental-nut crazy? Tell his belief is pagan and not supported by the New Testiment ( nor old which refers to Israel only.)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:53 PM

41. He sounds like the idiot Pat Robertson

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:50 AM

44. This has already become a Facebook meme

With the rightwing. Someone repeated it last night and it set me off. Keep an out for it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:49 AM

46. Yeah that would have really helped if they had been praying and reading the Bible.

I am sure that would have stopped the shooter in his tracks. Hey Huck didja know this kid was homeschooled for at least part of his schooling? Did you miss that part?

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