2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn my opinion... Donating to Jill Stein for a Re-Count is a Potential Scam of sorts.
I voice caution here....We as Democrats are extremely emotionally vulnerable...we always talk about he gods fight.... we are great grassroots donors. We are perfect for the picking and draining of our little wallets....Opportunist smell the pain we are experiencing...
I would love to have a re-count, change the outcome as I feel there has been voter tampering....That said, we also need to have a Democratic leader take the recount option ...not a candidate that was an election spoiler, knowing she was a spoiler....I don't trust Stein....
Buyer Beware in my opinion.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)has "passed" on a recount....I'm hoping she's just saying that for now, waiting to see if others take up the cause and come up with results substantial enough to make a challenge worthwhile.
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)Again, I don't trust this election spoiler candidate....
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)She worked in Mass in the late 90's to clean up Mass elections. She is not a novice at this.
still_one
(92,060 posts)been lied about, slandered, libeled, and treated like dirt with some of the most vile remarks coming from the right and left, and promoted by the MSM
This country has done her a great disservice, as they have toward President Obama the last 8 years.
KARMA's is going to be a real drag in the next four years
fasten your seat belts, we are all in store for a bumpy ride
whathehell
(29,026 posts)she's "getting even" with an ungrateful nation....I doubt that's the case, but if it is, she'd be doing a grave disservice to the TWENTY Million more Americans who voted FOR her and against Trump.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)whathehell
(29,026 posts)still_one
(92,060 posts)it isn't worth it anymore, forget it
whathehell
(29,026 posts)and quitting after you've won a buge lead in the popular vote and your country's counting on you should not be an option.
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)We get the recount and people can't harass Hillary for it. Probably most of the deplorables don't even know who Jill Stein is so it's perfect.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)I just donated to Stein...Have a nice day.
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)I was telling someone who was against the recount to give it up.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)Never said I was against the recount -- I'm very much in favor.
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)whathehell
(29,026 posts)red dog 1
(27,757 posts)There's nothing at his website about that.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)Lol...but I can't recall it now..They showed a brief graphic of a newspaper...can't recall the name now.
red dog 1
(27,757 posts)With this computer, I don't have the capability to go to his website & view videos of his shows.
do you?
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)This gives the Clinton people the recount they probably want without having to create a national crisis. I like it and, honestly, I don't think we have another choice.
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)I like the idea and mission, believe it is just....Just not by Election Spoiler Candidate, Jill Stein.
treestar
(82,383 posts)In at least two of the states, it has to be another candidate. True it gets her publicity.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Not happy about that, either. We need to fight this.
Baitball Blogger
(46,676 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Having a Democrat lead it would just fuel the "You lost, get over it" meme coming from the Right.
The issue is larger than Hillary Clinton. It's about transparency, and the legitimacy of the electoral process.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)For elections to be verified by an outside organization.
Perhaps this action will move us toward that.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Many people will donate to this effort solely because they value fair and honest elections.
What evidence do you have that Stein is a scammer or a thief?
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)She stayed in the Election as a known spoiler against Hillary.... What does she gain from this???? A Hail Mary Pass at best...
A Democratic Leadership needs to spearhead this...not a spoiler candidate.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)I think she is EXACTLY the person to be doing this. I also personally believe that this is exactly the way Clinton and Democrat leaders want this to unfold.
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)Lack of focus, gave gains to tRump knowingly, willingly.. .now wants to be just???? I don't buy it and am completely cautious.
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)We as Democrats need to lead....
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)I don't know what she's doing with thos recount but I do question this.
https://twitter.com/KeepAmerGr8/status/801526077986377728
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)This works perfectly for Hillary. It gets done and she is not harassed.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Hillary and the dems should stay far, far away. I am not afraid of losing $50 or $100 bucks. My next door neighbor just gave $500 to this effort. What exactly is the downside?? She can't pocket the money. Sheesh.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)plus funds are to her presidential campaign fund so anything beyond the recount would be fair game for her next election campaign. Throw in the fact that in 2020 I am sure she will be crowing about being the only one to stand up against the system which will net her some votes.
So on one hand I agree she is doing this for herself but if the recount turns up something it can help.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)after promising us that the leftover money would specifically go toward Election integrity efforts in the future?
Dr. Mullion Blasto
(104 posts)One person trying to stir up doubt....why?
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)No need for further exploitation.
red dog 1
(27,757 posts)Bavorskoami
(118 posts)No fan of Stein/Baraka here! But many have been urging Hillary to make this move. Because of the way we all hit back at Trump for suggesting that he might not accept the results it is better for her and the Democratic Party not to take the lead (can you imagine the charges on Fox and the MSM of hypocrisy). Let it develop from this angle. It seems to be developing organically starting with that group of computer scientists. Meanwhile the public is becoming aware of Hillary's two million vote lead. During the recounts the Russian connections of the Trumps can be exposed to more people.
The chances are probably not great that they overturn the Electoral College, however many other bad aspects of our voting systems can be exposed along with the search for hacks: awareness of voter suppression in registration, inadequate numbers of voting sites, etc. etc.,
Your point is well taken, though, to be wary of where Jill Stein may try to take this. I am just glad this action is being taken and enthusiastically donated.
BTW This is AOL's lead story at this time.
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)Jill Stein, not so much.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)That is my understanding based on this:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)That page I linked implies that no one has the right to request a recount in Florida. Elsewhere, it says that a losing candidate can send in a written request for a recount, and then the county canvassing board decides whether to do a recount. This implies that each county would be handled separately. I'm not sure, though.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-recount-law/
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)FarPoint
(12,278 posts)I too would like to know the answer...
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)https://twitter.com/LisaBloom/status/801562896400453633
FarPoint
(12,278 posts)The bait is now on the hook.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Wtf?
jimlup
(7,968 posts)it is a done deal.
We have our differences with the Green's but this is a place where we have a common interest. I do believe that the Green's have a stake in "election integrity" so from where I stand this is win win.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)speculating should a, would a, for the rest of my life.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)If she's just enriching herself and repositioning herself, meh. Sucks.
Response to Schema Thing (Reply #24)
CountAllVotes This message was self-deleted by its author.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Gore had members of the Congressional Black Caucus begging to oppose the Florida vote count certification with excellent evidence to back their claims. The powers-that-be in the Party convinced Gore to stand down, and he (as well as all of the other Democratic Senators) refused to recognize them, blocking them from giving official testimony.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)I'll take anyone looking to ensure election integrity at this point.
I have always felt Jill Stein has been very unfairly maligned here. She loves her party and isn't going to do anything to damage it
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)As has been repeated here many, many times, if this came from Hillary it would be a fucking circus.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Thank you Jill.
quantumjunkie
(244 posts)using the $1 billion she raised from Banks and Lobbyists to do a recount? Or some of her $200 million net worth?
Why does a Green party candidate have to raise funds from the general public to help out because she feels something fishy was happening?
At least Hillary should stop crying and come out and endorse this impressive effort by Stein.
womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)Jill can and she is - Way to go Jill!!!!!!! Actually, the green party is big on clean elections.
red dog 1
(27,757 posts)What if the "Democratic leader" (HRC) chooses NOT to "take the recount option"?
Doesn't that mean that the millions of us who voted for her over that rat bastard Trump are all just "shit out of luck"?
I applaud Jill Stein for what she is trying to do.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)I'd rather "get scammed" and fail than type "buyer beware opinions" and do nothing else.