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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:51 AM

Concerned about GOP gerrymandering and changes to Electoral College System

I'm sure I'm not alone in hearing reports about how the rethugs are redrawing congressional districts following the 2010 census, which happens as a rule every time a particular party is in the majority in a state following the census. It's certainly happened in my state of Texas, and we've got just about the rock bottom "Worst of" statistics for, well everything, to illustrate what happens when the GOP controls the government for any extended length of time. Now it seems that OH, VA and PA are mulling changes to the ECS which, according to Maddow on her show last night, would have changed the election results in Rmoney's favor if additional swing states followed through on changes to the way electors are selected within those states. If they are as purportedly planning to scuttle the current winner take all system and split it along Congressional districts, they could effectively control the outcome of future presidential elections in their favor for decades to come. It wouldn't be that heavy a lift either. It doesn't take too many changes like this to ensure the complete demise of the Democratic party.

We've been boasting about how the rethugs are toast, but they're still in control of state legislatures all over the country. They are systematically stripping labor unions of any power, they are making draconian changes to the elections process on a county by county basis, redrawing congressional districts along ridiculous convoluted lines, and now are on the verge of changing the Electoral College using the number of congressional seats the parties control as the metric for doing so.

I've been worried by the seeming lack of anxiety any of these state governors or legislators are evidencing by enacting legislative measures that are politically toxic to their future prospects. But they don't seem to be worried at all. Maybe it's we who should be worried, because it appears they have a plan and they don't fear any blowback by the electorate. And the current crop of rethugs puffing out their chests and bellowing on a daily basis that they're by God never going to touch the tax rates and they are by God going to dismantle the entitlement programs don't seem to believe they have a single thing to fear from their constituents.

Why is that? And doesn't it worry anyone else here?

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Reply Concerned about GOP gerrymandering and changes to Electoral College System (Original post)
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politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2012 #1
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #2
Texin Dec 2012 #3
brooklynite Dec 2012 #4
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Response to Texin (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:59 AM

1. That report was a real eye opener. Never would have imagined just how rigged the system is.

There is another post that addresses that segment on the Rachal Maddow show last evening as well. We cannot let this matter go. The issue is too important and we can't wait until the 2020 Census and hope the matter corrects itself. This is too important.

Everyone should check out the story on Rachal Maddow's website.

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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:06 PM

2. We haven't even gotten to step two of the electoral plan

 

Governors will be elected in these states by legislative district vote. They will model the election plan after the electoral college, awarding one vote to each victor in each legislative district.

Via gerrymandering, they maintain their power with a minority of the vote.

Minority gerrymander rule.

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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:21 PM

3. It's also a distinctly possible outcome. Very troubling.

The Congressional redistricting is legally challenged more often than not, and sometimes the courts strike down the redrawn plans as being unconstitutional. I'm worried about the situations in which it isn't. And it certainly seems to be happing with regularity now all across the country. Again, I've been growing increasingly more alarmed by the passing day at how indestructible these GOP legislators at both the local and national level are acting. They are acting like they're immune from the effects of even Kryptonite. I'd been passing it off as just posturing, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that they aren't going to back down because they won't have to. It doesn't matter what the little people think of them, because they don't need their kind of votes anyway.

This is beginning to have the look about it like South Africa did during Apartheid. Deeply, deeply disturbing.

What will these guys legislate next? Getting rid of citizens' right to bear arms. Sounds preposterous doesn't it? But can a system rigged to promote its ascendance and to fix its place in perpetuity afford to have an armed and hostile populace? Just asking.

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Response to Texin (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:51 PM

4. Are you prepared to give it up on both sides?

Illinois for example was heavily Gerrymandered to benefit Democrats. Are you willing to give up Tammy Duckworth for the sake of non-partisan redistricting?


(nb - I am, just want to point out the legislative redistricting gets played with by both Parties).

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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:09 PM

5. Republicans may be over reaching here though. Live by the gerrymander, die by the gerrymander.

Many of these states are one election away from a reversal of the parties controlling the state legislatures and governor. If that happens the new legislature and governor could pull a Texas Republican stunt and redistrict in the middle of the census cycle. Same thing could happen with the RTW legislation in Michigan. If the Democrats regain control with the help of outraged unions they could reverse that legislation and redistrict as well to gerrymander the congressional districts in favor of Democrats.

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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:46 PM

6. I'm worried about it too

We've got to make sure that they aren't able to follow through with it both by generating voter concern and defeating proponents of such ideas. The good news is that most voters, even in states controlled by Republicans, aren't generally in favor of such changes and most prefer things the way they are and/or see the GOP efforts as a naked grab for power. Not that we should rest on our laurels, however. Such an idea didn't go over well in Pennsylvania but I have a feeling that we're going to be busy beating down attempts at this kind of electoral engineering between now and the next *sigh* election.

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