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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:35 PM

CNN: Source: Republican Chuck Hagel cabinet front runner for Secretary of Defense

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/12/will-obama-tap-a-republican-for-defense/?hpt=hp_t1

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Reply CNN: Source: Republican Chuck Hagel cabinet front runner for Secretary of Defense (Original post)
xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 OP
center rising Dec 2012 #1
Hippo_Tron Dec 2012 #7
politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2012 #19
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #2
MADem Dec 2012 #3
msongs Dec 2012 #4
dsc Dec 2012 #5
graywarrior Dec 2012 #6
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #8
mucifer Dec 2012 #9
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #10
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #11
Cosmocat Dec 2012 #12
Inuca Dec 2012 #14
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #18
former9thward Dec 2012 #22
Inuca Dec 2012 #24
LadyBirdJohnson Dec 2012 #13
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #15
Arkana Dec 2012 #16
zipplewrath Dec 2012 #17
jenmito Dec 2012 #20
wicket Dec 2012 #21
RudynJack Dec 2012 #23

Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:36 PM

1. Not a bad choice, would be easily confirmed!!

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Response to center rising (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:03 PM

7. First off, I'm not so sure of that...

He probably pissed off a lot of Republicans by endorsing Bob Kerrey.

Secondly, the fact that that's even a consideration is a sign of how ridiculous things have become in DC. My 9th grade civics textbook (and I was in 9th grade only a decade ago) had a section in the chapter on Congress about "senatorial courtesy".

The section explained that it's standard practice for the Senate to confirm the President's cabinet choices even if they don't care for them, unless they have something that makes them extremely objectionable. The idea behind this is that the President ought to be allowed to have the subordinates that he chooses. Other positions (judges, independent commission chairs, etc.) are subject to more scrutiny from the Senate in its advice and consent role.

Apparently a decade letter there's no such thing as senatorial courtesy anymore.

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Response to center rising (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:53 PM

19. Not even a Current Senator but a Former Senator

Don't tell me we get nothing out of this possible appointment. This also must mean that Obama may be leaning towards Senator John Kerry for the SoS position rather than Susan Rice. I think it would be very bad for him if he does.

What have these olive branches gotten him thus far?

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:37 PM

2. Hagel opposed the war, and is reasonable on foreign policy

But I would rather have a Democrat in that position, to show that Democrats can be strong on defense. But having Republicans in the cabinet is good if they can help the president deal with the obstructionists in the Senate.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:38 PM

3. I heard this a few weeks ago--I guess it's a pretty solid rumor, as rumors go. nt

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 PM

4. some people need to meet some qualified democrats/liberals/progressives etc nt

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 PM

5. DADT has been ended so I can live with this if Obama decides to go this way

but I do feel it would be nice to find a Democrat for this job.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:58 PM

6. Nice!

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:45 PM

8. Two facts wrong in story: He did not oppose Iraq invasion--

he turned against the whole thing later on. He did not endorse Obama in 2008. He did not endorse McCain either.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:49 PM

9. He worked closely with Senator Obama to secure loose nukes.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:00 AM

10. Yes, I do remember that. Chuck's a good guy.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:27 AM

11. He initially spoke in opposition to the Iraq War in 2002

But then ended up voting for it, which surprised me.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:32 AM

12. This would be OK, but

we all will be dead, buried and decomposed before a republican president puts a D into any kind of meaningful cabinet post.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:17 AM

14. ANY kind of meaningful post?

Are you serious? How many Rs are in the cabinet now? What positions do they have? What's the party affiliation of the top 4?

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Response to Inuca (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:21 PM

18. The post you replied to talked about a '*Republican* president'

The composition of the cabinet under Obama is thus irrelevant to their point. You should be asking if Bush put Democrats into 'meaningful' cabinet positions, or if any Republican they're likely to have as presidential candidate in the near future is likely to do that.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:20 PM

22. Bush had one Democrat and Obama had one Republican.

Bush had Norman Mineta as Transportation Secretary and Obama had Ray LaHood as Transportation Secretary. Obama also had Gates as a holdover in Defense until he resigned.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:46 AM

24. Oops!

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:05 AM

13. Excellent choice!!!

This has to mean that Senator Kerry is going to State, which I'm SOOOOOOOO excited and happy about. He deserve it and he will do a great job after Secretary Clinton's amazing 4 year run as our top diplomat.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:17 AM

15. That's fine. I like Chuck Hagel

It's also nice, I think, to have a ground combat veteran in charge at Defense.

And an enlisted man, combat infantry? A guy who only finished college because of GI Bill assistance?

Yes, that's fine with me. Here's perhaps one of the few qualified people for the job who wil actually relate to the problems our troops have both in the field and afterward.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:02 AM

16. Well, considering that the Defense Department deals almost exclusively with foreign policy

and Hagel's been solid on that front, I'm actually okay with this.

Hagel and Obama were friendly during their brief time in the Senate together and he's one of the few Republicans I would trust on issues of homeland security.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:14 PM

17. Need to build candidates

Sorry, but we need, as a party, to be building the resumes of people for the future. It was bad enough keeping Gates. It was worse putting Petreaus in the CIA. Putting Hagel in there is just creating another good resume for a Republican. What's wrong with a Clark? There are too many good democrats out there that should be in that job.

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:58 PM

20. He's one of the almost non-existent "good ones." On MSNBC they said he endorsed Obama in '08. n/t

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:58 PM

21. Cool!

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Response to xxxsdesdexxx (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:53 PM

23. I like Hagel just fine...

my only problem is this reinforces the notion that Republicans are better than Democrats on defense. It's not true, and we should proudly have a strong Democrat in that office.

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