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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:49 AM

Politifact: Obama's 'broken promise'? on disabilities act/UN

Promise: Sign the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
Update: 38 Republicans vote against ratification .. it could be considered again, and when the new Congress convenes, the Democrats will see their caucus increase by two members.
For now, though, we rate this a Promise Broken.


Barf, this redounds negatively on OBAMA as a PROMISE BROKEN???? I won't go so far as to what rachel maddow said of 'politifact' as worthless, but sometimes they do lose their, um, minds. Obama did everything he could to pass this act, was not negligent or indolent on supporting it, it was REPUBLICANS who thwarted the passage, yet they come out smelling like roses by politifact & obama gets the culprit label.
.. if you promise your kid a bicycle for christmas then christmas morning a burglar breaks in & steals the bike, you broke your promise to get him a bike? to the kid maybe you did, but in legal eyes you fulfilled all that you promised & circumstances BEYOND YOUR CONTROL affected any alleged promise broken. Both obama & 'santa' fulfilled their promises but were ambushed by circumstances beyond their control.

Even though Obama has signed the convention and forwarded it to the Senate, and even though his party unanimously supported it in the Senate, our rules do not allow us to call this a Promise Kept until the treaty is ratified.

Boo politifact, boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Pending then.

Negotiated under President George W. Bush and signed by Obama in July 2009, the convention was presented to the Senate on May 17, 2012. But 38 Republicans ultimately voted against ratification, despite the presence in the chamber of former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, R-Kan., still in a wheelchair following a recent hospital stay.
.. The final vote was 61-38. With 99 Senators present, ratification would have required 66 votes. Eight Republicans joined all Democrats in supporting the treaty, which has been signed by 155 nations and ratified by 126.

[link:http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/88/sign-the-un-convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-wi/|

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Reply Politifact: Obama's 'broken promise'? on disabilities act/UN (Original post)
jimmy the one Dec 2012 OP
union_maid Dec 2012 #1
One of the 99 Dec 2012 #2
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #3
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #4
otohara Dec 2012 #5
Cha Dec 2012 #7
Cha Dec 2012 #6
dsc Dec 2012 #8
treestar Dec 2012 #9
jimmy the one Dec 2012 #10

Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:54 AM

1. They should change their rules

If their rules don't reflect what's really happened, then they're lousy rules.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:08 AM

2. Rachel Maddow has repeatedly proven

that Politifact can't be trusted.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:26 AM

3. Politishit. Anyone can make a website.

 

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:13 AM

4. I have had the same exact problem with them since President Obama was elected

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They rate his promises as "broken" even if he tried to do something about it but was blocked by Congress (i.e. Gitmo). I have called them on it more than once but they just keep basically telling me that their standard for a "broken promise" is that something that he promised during his first campaign (or since then) doesn't happen or isn't likely to happen, not whether or not President Obama reneged on it, which is, for me, what actually constitutes a broken promise. Regardless about what anybody might think about President Obama, I don't think that anybody can realistically argue that he can make the Republicans (and a few Democrats) in Congress stop being a**holes about everything that he proposes (usually for the sake of being a**holes)!!


Occasionally, Politifact gets things right (most of their rulings on Mitt Romney were on target) but other times their rulings seem like one giant to me.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:21 AM

5. Dear Politifact, Are there really 3 Branches

of Government?

Look into it K

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Response to otohara (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:48 AM

7. Sorry, politi"fact" is too busy pulling "facts" outta

their ass.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:47 AM

6. Politifact is already on my shit list..

"SPECS, LIES & VIDEOTAPE: Politifact gets it wrong on Democratic Party's Medicare "lie"

Politifact, the St. Petersburg based news project that rates statements by politicians for their truthfulness, has decided that the lie of this year was when Democrats insisted that the proposal by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin) to revamp Medicare would "end" or "kill" the program.

In making this ruling, Politifact effectively enables the thieves and brigands of the political right whose often stated goal -- since before Medicare was even enacted nearly half a century ago -- has been to end the program.

Indeed, as the Center for American Progress puts it, the Ryan plan to change Medicare by privatizing it "is merely ending Medicare by another name." Which, quite simply, puts the lie to Politifact's own attempt at ferreting out the lies of others.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/20/1047384/-SPECS-LIES-VIDEOTAPE-Politifact-gets-it-wrong-on-Democratic-Party-s-Medicare-lie

To put it in crude language.. Politi"fact"/Orwellian is fucked up.

Thanks Jimmy

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:29 PM

8. This is total bullshit

He did exactly what he promised to do. He signed the treaty and forwarded it to the Senate. That is exactly and precisely what he promised to do.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:42 PM

9. A politician's promise is a promise to support that issue with whatever power

the office gives.

Thus, this is not a broken promise. Had Congress passed it, the POTUS would have signed it. He has not broken a promise unless Congress passes it and he vetoes it.

Some people are just obsessed with the Presidency and think it includes complete control over Congress, and that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of our entire government.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:04 AM

10. Real broken campaign promises

ProudLibDem: they just keep basically telling me that their standard for a "broken promise" is that something that he promised during his first campaign (or since then) doesn't happen or isn't likely to happen, not whether or not President Obama reneged on it, which is, for me, what actually constitutes a broken promise.

I think there should be two 'sub'-categories, one for blatant violation of campaign promises, and then one for 'reasonably understandable' broken promises by circumstances beyond one's control from the time the promise was made.

Consider HWBush's campaign promise 'read my lips no new taxes', well that was blatantly violated by HWBush & he subsequently lost reelection to clinton.
.. another blatant broken promise, or one based on a false premise to begin with: In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam .. "it became obvious in 1969 that Nixon's 'secret plan' to end the war was a campaign gimmick..."Another historian wrote: "Nixon never had a plan to end the war," .. Nixon that the war would be over within six months of his assumption of office . As this six month deadline approached, in May 1969, Kissinger asked a group of Quakers to give the admin six more months. "Give us six months, and if we haven't ended the war by then, you can come back and tear down the White House fence"... vn ended ~1973.

Falling into the 'understandable' broken promises category (& not to exonerate gwbush for his 2003 invasion of iraq, which I opposed): There is some latitude for breaking promises. GWBush's pledge to not involve US military in nation building was discarded after , a change in policy widely viewed as justifiable among his supporters .. Franklin Roosevelt's 1940 pledge to keep

Contrast Obama's 'broken promise' of not implementing disabilities act at UN, to hwbushs' 'no new taxes' & nixon's 'war end soon promise' and see how they do not warrant the same label. Obama really promised to do his best to implement the disabilities act, which he fulfilled admirably.



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