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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:42 AM

Fox News Op-Ed Says Women’s Nature Is To Be Dominated By Men


By Zack Beauchamp on Dec 7, 2012 at 10:21 am


Fox News has published another sexist op-ed by Suzanne Venker, the author who became infamous for attacking a fictional “War on Men.” In the follow up piece, Venker argues that women are naturally men’s inferiors.

The author believes the crudest of crude gender stereotypes are built into male and female brains, arguing that women “like to gather and nest and take care of people” while men “are hunters: they like to build things and kill things.” As a consequence, she maintains a man’s place is in the office; “his” woman should simply “surrender” to his rule:

(W)omen shouldn’t let their success in the workplace become the biggest thing in their lives. If the ultimate goal is lasting love – and let’s face it: for most people it is – women are going to have to become comfortable with sacrifice and capitulation. …

Surrendering to your femininity means many things. It means letting your man be the man despite the fact that you’ve proven you’re his equal. It means recognizing the fact that you may very well want to stay home with your babies – and that that’s normal. Surrendering to your femininity means if you do work outside the home, you don’t use your work to play tit for tat in your marriage. It means tapping into that part of yourself that’s genuinely vulnerable and really does need a man – even though the culture says you don’t.

In other words, put down your sword. It’s okay if your guy’s in charge. It’s okay if you don’t drive the car. In fact, it’s rather liberating.


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more:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/07/1299611/fox-news-op-ed-says-womens-nature-is-to-be-dominated-by-men/

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Reply Fox News Op-Ed Says Women’s Nature Is To Be Dominated By Men (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2012 OP
seabeyond Dec 2012 #1
Smilo Dec 2012 #2
seabeyond Dec 2012 #3
jcgoldie Dec 2012 #16
seabeyond Dec 2012 #17
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #27
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #28
freshwest Dec 2012 #4
Cal33 Dec 2012 #5
CTyankee Dec 2012 #19
niyad Dec 2012 #6
dballance Dec 2012 #30
MuttLikeMe Dec 2012 #7
jcgoldie Dec 2012 #8
HockeyMom Dec 2012 #9
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #10
leftynyc Dec 2012 #11
niyad Dec 2012 #12
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #14
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #13
LongTomH Dec 2012 #15
CTyankee Dec 2012 #18
Hekate Dec 2012 #20
skrempi313 Dec 2012 #21
Squinch Dec 2012 #22
Squinch Dec 2012 #23
Cha Dec 2012 #25
Cha Dec 2012 #24
budkin Dec 2012 #26
Ilsa Dec 2012 #29
BanzaiBonnie Dec 2012 #31
hamsterjill Dec 2012 #32
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #34
meow2u3 Dec 2012 #33
mythology Dec 2012 #35
Tabasco_Dave Dec 2012 #36
DebJ Dec 2012 #37
lunatica Dec 2012 #38
Springslips Dec 2012 #39

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:46 AM

1. it is out, i am a freak of nature. cause nothing about me is into being dominated.

even as a child, with parents. thankfully i had parents that got that and were able to raise me without that factor.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:49 AM

2. Wow - these fox "women" want to bring Saudi Arabia to America

Wonder if they know that women were in power before man got all huffy and "put them in their place".

I am a woman - I work - I have a family - I drive - I think for myself - I am woman - hear me roar!!!

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Response to Smilo (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:51 AM

3. hey... and on those ten hours trips? hubby really really happy i drive and he does not

have to do it all.

easier to read a book. not fair though

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:55 PM

16. My wife drives all the time

She likes driving and I like drinking

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:33 PM

17. lol. we like splittin it. neither have a control issue and both of us like to read. lol. BUT

i have always said, what works for each of us is uniquely our own. you two are working as a team. lol

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:00 PM

27. +1

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Response to Smilo (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:01 PM

28. I think Saudi Arabia may be a few shades more liberal than what these kooks want

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:55 AM

4. Sorry, but that won't work for some of us. And why suppress half the IQ of the human race?

If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to follow wherever that search may lead us. The free mind is no barking dog to be tethered on a 1-foot chain. ~Adlai Stevenson

Of course, the GOP does not believe in the pursuit of knowledge or science, but would have us all acting like this crew here. And we're not far off now, are we?




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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:57 AM

5. "Fox News says women's nature is to be dominated by men" that's what right-wing extremists

think, hope, and pray for. Right-wingers, for their own benefit, just love to keep
people under their control - period. Their behavior shows this all over the place.
It's so obvious to everyone, except themselves

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:47 PM

19. Well, they lost the election, due in large part to their Stone Age mentality of women's place.

More loser moaning and groaning...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:25 PM

6. are we even certain this person is actually a woman? seriously, this sounds like something

a woman-hating, reichwing male would write.

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Response to niyad (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:16 PM

30. Well, She Doesn't Seem to Have an Adam's Apple Like Coulter

But, of course, I'm a guy and my Adam's apple is not very visible either.

All snark aside, which I do enjoy writing, if I were a woman I'd really be pissed with this person. Actually, as a man I'm pissed with her. We men like to "build things and kill things?" That is the most sexist, absurd thing I've heard lately.

I grew up on a farm. You know what? I hated hunting and I hated slaughter of the animals. No, Ms. Venker, I did not and do not like killing things. Yep I do eat steaks and pork roasts and chicken and turkey. Yep, I realize animals were killed for that food I eat. But I still take no pleasure in killing animals myself. Just I guess I'm like all those frail women you want to protect who don't kill things yet they're happy to cook them. Making the overly broad generalization that "men like to kill things" is insulting.

If you're so concerned about gender roles then why don't you get off TV and find a good man you can cook and clean for and pop out some babies and stay at home where you belong - in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:31 PM

8. bleh.

Reading that bullshit makes me want to puke... and I'm not even a woman.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:33 PM

9. "I am voting for Obama and there is nothing you can do about it"

That is what I said to my husband before the election. He should have tied me up? He should have divorced me? BS, and we have been married 38 years. Take that, Faux News! BTW, he doesn't watch you anymore!!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:41 PM

10. Then why do those "feminine" women vote?

If she truly believes women should be totally feminine then why does she vote?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:13 PM

11. My first instinct was this was a joke

If it's not, she should just put on her burka and get it over with. Nobody is in charge of me and a real man wouldn't expect it. A real man wouldn't feel threatened by a woman more successful than he.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:13 PM

12. gosh, and it turns out that phyllis schlafly is her aunt.

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Response to niyad (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:22 PM

14. I'm shocked

to find that out. Shocked, I tell you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:21 PM

13. I think her op-ed is about 60 years out of date

that sounds like it was out of the 1950s, not 2012. Or, maybe 1912?

Where does it say that a woman that is succesful at work isn't feminine? In fact, I'd go for a complete 180 - a woman that is willing to capitulate and surrender is less likely to find lasting love. And, considering that the more conservative southern states have a higher average divorce rate than the more liberal northeast, facts seem to back me up.



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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:31 PM

15. More like 19th Century or earlier!

The 'woman's place' has been altering ever since the Industrial Revolution when some women found employment in factories and offices, and the suffragette movement gave women the vote. WWII caused a major jump when women replaced men on the assembly lines for the planes and tanks.

There was a lot going on behind the scenes in the 'normal' 50s! June Cleaver really was an obsolete stereotype from the beginning. All the various social movements that we associate with the 60s were already in progress. They just surfaced in the late 60s.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:44 PM

18. Wow, give that lady the "Burka of the Year" award! Give her one to wear immediately. It's so

liberating!

I felt like I was reading something out of Ladies Home Journal from the 1950s, reading that snip (I won't waste my time on the whole thing).

I wonder how much she gets paid to write such drivel?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:04 PM

20. Fox "News" exists to stir the s**t; they don't even believe what they endorse

I mean, really. Some of them, maybe, are that big of drooling idiots. But mostly, I think it is whatever serves to get them eyeballs on the screen and advertising dollars (or Euros, whatever).

Their only reason for existing, as far as I can tell, is to promote the corporatocracy and stupefy as many humans as possible. That's it. They're good at what they do.

The cynicism and hypocrisy over there is bone-deep.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:06 PM

21. When Do Americans Get To Stone A Woman

 

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Response to skrempi313 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:49 PM

22. Any time now...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:50 PM

23. This is what it looks like when Republicans recalibrate to capture more of the vote.

They've just captured Phyllis Schaffly and the three members of her bridge club.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:58 PM

25. Precisely.. they might as well bring back the losing strench

of dick morris and rove.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

24. In their stupid world.. in my world

it's a 50-50 proposition.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:59 PM

26. The 1950s called. They want this lunatic back.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:07 PM

29. She has my husband's permission to move to Saudi Arabia.

Since giving her my permission wouldn't affect her, I figured hubby's permission would be more effective on her weak mind.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:18 PM

31. She didn't come right out and say this sort of crap...

when she was on The View this morning. Whoopi and Joy would have gone off on her. She stayed within ceertain parameters and they didn't attack her for her radical, lunatic rantings.


This is the sort of shit that keeps men as inhibited in their relationships as it does women. For me, one of the most wonderful things about being in a relationship with another human being that I trust, is being able to be vulnerable with them. It allows for an unprecendented honesty.

I own the power tools in the family and my husband takes care of the computers. Other than that, we don't lock ourselves into roles proscribed by society. He'll make a meal if we're hungry and I'll change my own tire and love it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:27 PM

32. Must I state the obvious here?

There they go again.

Lumping an entire gender all into ONE category. Because this author may want to be dominated, etc. she believes that ALL females feel the same way. And if any of those females don't feel the same as her, she believes something is wrong with them.

What in the hell is wrong with simply letting people, regardless of gender, live their lives the way they feel is best as individuals???!!!

Sheesh...I feel like Leave It To Beaver is going to come on the television any minute.

It's OKAY for people to be different.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:48 PM

34. well, most Republicans

seem to like things very black & white. If you start saying everybody is different, it confuses them in their black & white world.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:30 PM

33. It's so liberating for me to have some drunk-ass loser beat the $#!t out of me

and keep me barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:42 PM

35. How do people this stupid remember to feed themselves?

Or not walk into an oncoming bus?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:17 PM

36. If i told my girlfriend this

she would kick me in the balls.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 03:17 AM

37. I STILL tell young girls don't ever depend on a man. Depend on yourself.

When the statistics reflect that divorced women don't end up almost all the time with all the child care
and the expenses as well, when divorce with children stops dropping women into poverty
while simultaneously increasing the standard of living of the men, then I might stop
saying that. Right now, though, as Clinton said, It's just math...statistics.
So ladies, CYA, just common sense.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:08 AM

38. Ms. Venker should speak for herself and her brain biology and quit her job

and go home to wait on and service her man.

I'm sick of anti-feminist women who go out and get careers and jobs while preaching that other women should stay home.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:05 PM

39. As a man I don't want to dominate women.

You know how hard that would be? It would take waaaaay too much energy, time, stress, wear and tear. I'd rather spend that time and energy doing other hobbies and let her do what she wants.

Fox News makes me sick: and they say there is no war on women. Ha.

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