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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:14 PM

This morning on Morning Joe, Joe S. said that every member of the House

has a mandate for those people in their district who voted for them. What an a$$hole? With that kind of logic, that would mean we have 538 members of congress all who have an individual mandate to govern on behalf of their individual voters. What a recipe for disaster?

Joe S. made the declaration screaming at the camera, that none of the GOP members of the House should vote for the President's tax proposal unless the President promised each one of them something in return for their vote. This coming on the cuff of a conversation about Lincoln having to beg, borrow, steal and bribe, and make deals to get votes for the emancipation proclamation. I'm sorry, Joe S., but the Fiscal Cliff is not the Emancipation Proclamation.

I think it's a good thing that Joe S. is no longer a congressman, particularly with the dumb crap he spouts from time to time. This morning was particularly embarrassing since none of the regulars who obviously need the gig, could bring themselves to disagree with anything Joe S. said, no matter how outrageous he got.

Interesting enough, a guest later on Chuck Todd's show The Daily Rundown, named David Wasserman, of the Cook Political Report afterwards, pointed out that Democrats in the House won their congressional seats on average by a million more votes than their GOP counterparts in the House. He also pointed out that the Dems had overperformed in the 2012 Swing states and were on their way to establishing themselves as as a stronghold in the 2012 Swing States.

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politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2012 OP
Ninga Dec 2012 #1
patrice Dec 2012 #2
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #3
Sinistrous Dec 2012 #5
marlakay Dec 2012 #4
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #7
mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2012 #6
Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #8
CTyankee Dec 2012 #9
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #10
Cha Dec 2012 #11
One of the 99 Dec 2012 #12
Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #13

Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:17 PM

1. Joe is a hack that gets hack-ier every day. can't. stand.him.

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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:19 PM

2. Absolutists are FASCISTS. nt

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:26 PM

3. Uhmmm, Joe ...

Joe S. made the declaration screaming at the camera, that none of the GOP members of the House should vote for the President's tax proposal unless the President promised each one of them something in return for their vote.


President Obama has already made the promise something in return for their vote ... a couple things really. He promised that if they vote for the tax plan, each member in their district will see a tax cut, except for those making over 250K, who will see a net tax increase. He also, has promised that if they vote for his tax plan, we will be on the road to a functioning legislature.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:01 PM

5. We should always note that everyone gets a tax cut on the first $250,000 of income. The proposed

increase only applies to the taxable income in excess of $250,000. A person with taxable income of $250,100 would only pay about $3.00 more.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:30 PM

4. Not fair when they change the districts around

my congressman has never spoke for me since I am in a more conservative then dem area. Didn't they take a popular vote count of all across america and there were more dems but just live in city areas.

I feel like the few across america who live rurally like me speak for the many who live in the cities.

Of course they are angry like in my state WA that Seattle always keeps them from winning state positions…thank god!

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Response to marlakay (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:13 PM

7. Perhaps a redistricting plan...

like the one instituted in california...

"... a new election system with independently drawn voting districts and nonpartisan primaries intended to foster moderation and compromise. "

independently drawn voting districts... what a concept!
I would have thought that idea makes entirely too much sense for politics. But perhaps....

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-legislature-20121204,0,6913448.story

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:11 PM

6. I heard that infantile blubber this morning!

They have a Mandate to Fucking Govern. When elected to any position you have a mandate to Govern. There should be some posturing for your base. But the ultimate goal is to achieve a Governing body. Republicans have said in no uncertain terms that they cannot Govern for both sides of the isle. They only care about their own interest. Which means in Dem terms, they are f--ked up.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:14 PM

8. The GOP lost the popular vote for the house by 1.3%.

Gerrymandering is the only reason they control the house.
The GOP has NO mandate.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:26 PM

9. one correction: Lincoln made those deals in order for the House to pass the 13th amendment

abolishing slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation came a bit earlier.

I just saw the film "Lincoln" yesterday. It was pretty fascinating how he did that. It was a great movie and I recommend it highly (but it is LONG).

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:29 PM

10. Not too long ago

JS said that Obama does not have a mandate now he's giving one to the GOP held house. There's a reason why I mostly ignore this guy.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:37 PM

11. Good info.. thanks politicaljunkie

Interesting enough, a guest later on Chuck Todd's show The Daily Rundown, named David Wasserman, of the Cook Political Report afterwards, pointed out that Democrats in the House won their congressional seats on average by a million more votes than their GOP counterparts in the House. He also pointed out that the Dems had overperformed in the 2012 Swing states and were on their way to establishing themselves as as a stronghold in the 2012 Swing States
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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:26 PM

12. He also want on a rant

lamenting on how raising rates by 4.5% would have such a negative impact on small businesses and families making $250,000 a year.

But the increased rates only apply to income over $250,000 a year.

So either Joe has no understanding of the issue or he was lying. Either way, can anything he says really be trusted.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:55 PM

13. Joe can at times seem reasonable but then he gets these loony outbursts.

His morning show has spoken all along about how increase in tax rates and reducing spending are the only fair way to bring down the debt. What I don't understand is this,
if Mitt had won the election then the Rs (and Joe) would be saying that since Mitt won the american people do not want tax increases on the upper 2 brackets and therefore andy deal between Obama and the Rs should not include tax increases. However, Joe and Rs wake up and smell the Dems victory.

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