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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:15 PM

 

Calling it now, Gillibrand defeats Bush November 8, 2016 51.5% to 47.2%.

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Julian Castro will be Veep.

Chelsea Clinton will be appointed to the seat vacated by Gillibrand.

You heard it on DU first.

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Reply Calling it now, Gillibrand defeats Bush November 8, 2016 51.5% to 47.2%. (Original post)
RomneyLies Dec 2012 OP
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #1
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #37
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #38
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #39
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #43
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #44
mgcgulfcoast Dec 2012 #2
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5
davidpdx Dec 2012 #47
LukeFL Dec 2012 #22
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #3
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #4
Lugia Dec 2012 #48
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #50
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #6
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #7
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #8
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #9
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #10
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #11
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #14
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #15
LukeFL Dec 2012 #23
bornskeptic Dec 2012 #24
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #28
Ter Dec 2012 #52
Permanut Dec 2012 #12
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #13
Permanut Dec 2012 #16
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #26
Kahuna Dec 2012 #17
BlueStater Dec 2012 #18
Mz Pip Dec 2012 #19
Mr.Turnip Dec 2012 #31
zwyziec Dec 2012 #20
Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2012 #21
cherish44 Dec 2012 #25
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #30
Mr.Turnip Dec 2012 #32
DireStrike Dec 2012 #42
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #27
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #29
onenote Dec 2012 #33
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #34
treestar Dec 2012 #35
TroyD Dec 2012 #36
madinmaryland Dec 2012 #40
craigmatic Dec 2012 #41
Mr.Turnip Dec 2012 #45
Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #46
davidpdx Dec 2012 #49
Ter Dec 2012 #51
madinmaryland Dec 2012 #53
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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:19 PM

1. Hillary/Kaine defeats Christie/Rubio.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:28 PM

37. Christie would never pick

a snot-nosed whining punk like Rubio to be his running mate.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:32 PM

38. Don't be so sure.

The Republicans are thinking if they just nominate a Hispanic candidate, then all Hispanics will automatically vote for them -- even if their policies are as right-wing and racist as any white Republican's.

They tried it with Sarah Palin when McCain thought women were so stupid they'd automatically vote for any woman regardless of her actual policies.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:37 PM

39. I don't like Christie,

but I give him credit for being smarter than that.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:25 PM

43. Well I never thought McCain would do some of

of the things he did in 2008. So you really never know.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:42 PM

44. I'm convinced that McCain

is/was in the early stages of Alxheimers/Dementia.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:19 PM

2. doubtful

i think it will be mark warner or hillary clinton.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:29 PM

5. That's what everybody said about my Barack Hussein Obama prediction in 2004.

 

I predicted Obama would win against McCain in 2008 after Kerry lost in 2004.

Everybody laughed at me.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:38 AM

47. I didn't even know who he was

other then the fact he was a senator from Illinois. I probably didn't see the 2004 convention as I lived overseas at the time (still do) and I didn't have any news other than the internet (I have CNN now, but whoop'd shit over that crap).

I started paying attention in early 2007 and made my first contribution in April 2007, so I was one of the people who supported him early on.

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Response to mgcgulfcoast (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:20 AM

22. I like Warner/Castro

Of course if Hillary doesn't go. Warner/ Castro would be my dream ticket

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:19 PM

3. I love and voted form Gillibrand. I hope if Hillary does not run that she does.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:24 PM

4. If Hillary isn't the nominee, it will be Joe Biden.



A sitting VP coming off of a two term Presidency will be tough to beat in any primary. Outside of Hillary, there isn't another candidate that currently can do it.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:42 AM

48. Isn't he kind of old though?

Plus, wouldn't all his gaffes hurt us?

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Response to Lugia (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

50. Fair point.


I'm not endorsing it. I'm just saying that when you have a VP from a two term President that had more than 51% of the vote both times, that's pretty tough to beat.


And if Hillary decides not to run, I don't see anyone out there currently that would stop Biden.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:31 PM

6. I have no idea who will be the nominee on either side in 2016

Except that it will probably not be who we think it's going to be. Nobody thought in 2004 that Obama would be the nominee in 2008.

I have no idea who I am going to support, and don't want to think about it for at least two years.

Technically, we are still in Obama's first term. Can he at least get re-inaugurated before we talk about who is going to replace him?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:37 PM

7. In 2002, I called Obama as the 2008 nominee. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:41 PM

8. In 2002?

Seriously? He wasn't even nominated for the Senate yet. I had never even heard of him.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:47 PM

9. I caled it October 2, 2002

 

In Federal Plaza, Chicago.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:48 PM

10. Was that when he gave his anti-war speech?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:50 PM

11. Yep, I was there

 

Called hom as the fist AA president on the spot. Said he'd win 2008.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:58 PM

14. That's pretty amazing

I think a lot of people who have met him or seen him speak thought he would be president someday. But the fact that you actually thought he would be president in 2008 at a time when he was a state senator and most of us had never even heard of him is pretty incredible.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:04 PM

15. That's what I felt then, and that's why I'm calling Gillibrand for 2016.

 

She;s got the right stuff, Like Obama.

Chelsea has it, too, but needs that 2020 spot in the Senate.

Juan Castro will be president in 2024, with Chelsea as Veep.

The Republicans are going the way of the Federalists, slowly but surely. They had a chance in 2012, but are hanging onto their declining base.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:24 AM

23. Now your dreaming

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:18 AM

24. I know Julian Castro and Joaquin Castro, But who's Juan Castro?

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Response to bornskeptic (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:38 AM

28. D'oh!

 

Sorry

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:58 PM

52. You're too optimistic

 

At some point, you have to be more realistic. Thinking that Democrats win in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and 2024 is ridiculous. Even if Republicans go away, some other Party will come in and win.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:51 PM

12. Great choices..

and fun to speculate. I'm thinkin' Elizabeth Warren somewhere in the mix, and Jeff Merkley from Oregon is a rising star as well. We got lots of 'em.

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Response to Permanut (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:57 PM

13. Elizabeth Warren will be too old to follow through

 

as will both Hillary and Biden.

Watch Kirsten. She will win it all.

Bush will have nothing in the way of legitimate opposition, but the teabaggers will hang on him like they did Romney, ending in a defeat for the Bush dynasty.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:07 PM

16. Point taken..

and Kirsten Gillibrand would be fantastic.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:50 AM

26. Funny how old men like McCain and Mitt run without folks mentioning their ages...

both of them are older than Warren or Clinton...but for 'some reason' the age of the men matters not....not so much as a mention of Mitt's age the entire campaign...
I'd also point out that you glossed right over Jeff Merkely, who is a great candidate, a great Senator, not conservative and just for you, he's also not old, although for Jeff as a man, I guess that does not matter like it does for the women....

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:58 PM

17. Really?

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:21 PM

18. We'll see.

Don't expect me to make a prediction though. Here's what I predicted in 2005 concerning the 2008 election:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2041400&mesg_id=2041886

A little off the mark, I would say.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:31 PM

19. It is hard to predict the future isn't it?

I liked the ticket you predicted for what it's worth and I do think it's a bit premature to be making predictions now.

I think Biden will be too old in 2016. Hillary may not want it. So who are our rising stars?

What about Cuomo? I'm not getting a strong vibe from anyone at this point.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:48 AM

31. Cuomo is honestly a bit too fiscally conservative to head the national ticket

He'd have to pull some Mitts in the primary, or run mostly on social issues which he has been very good with or mention his record as AG a ton, but the triangulatory methods he's used to become ridiculously popular among pretty much every segment of the NY electorate would be counter-intuitive in a national race in terms of winning the primary and having keeping the base energized, also he's merely a competent public speaker and debater and both those things are important. All this is just my opinion of course. Gillibrand is my personal favorite for 2016, also quite fond of Brian Schweitzer.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:40 PM

20. Right on!

My wife and I were just talking about who the Dem Candidates could be in 2016 and I stated that I'm all in for Gillibrand. So I agree with you there.

After watching the Dem Convention and seeing Castro, he is a definite VP candidate setting him up for 2024. So I agree also with you thinking on that one as well.

And I think that the Dem's owe Bill and Hillary a big debt and would love to see Chelsea take Gillibrand's seat.

What powerful line up!

Good thinking RomneyLies!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:58 PM

21. I can live with all of that, except

Hedge Fund Chelsea getting a nepotism appointment to a seat she hasn't earned.
I expect places like NBC to hire based on Lucky Sperm Club membership, but I'd prefer our party do a better job filling vacancies.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:09 AM

25. I remember so well the hissy fits some had when Gillibrand was slated for Hilary's seat.

A Blue Dog Democrat....ah memories.

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Response to cherish44 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:42 AM

30. I wasn't happy when she got appointed as well

However, as I stated below, she won me over when she was one of a small handful of Senators who voted against defunding ACORN - even most of the Democrats in the Senate couldn't wait to defund.

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Response to cherish44 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:53 AM

32. Eh people seemed to be mostly angry about her on Gun Control.

Which she has pretty much pulled a total 180 on since, a part of me likes that she did but another doesn't because it seemed largely to be a move to prevent a primary challenger from Downstate. She's one of the most liberal senators now and one of our most prominent younger senators in terms of pushing issues (and actually getting some of them passed) so Its all good and she's my become favorite statewide officeholder here in NY.

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Response to cherish44 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:16 PM

42. She represents the interests of her constituents

As rep of an upstate district, she was conservative. As NY Senator, she's more liberal. As president, she's be somewhere in between.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:28 AM

27. Love your picks

but, isn't it Julian Castro?

I was a little unsure about Gillebrand at first, since she was portrayed as a moderate from a red district in Congress. However, she really gained my respect when she was among only a small handful that voted against defunding ACORN during the incident with the Freeper doctoring the tapes against them. (Shamefully, most Democrats in the Senate also voted against ACORN)

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:39 AM

29. YEs, I don't know where that was coming from

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:57 AM

33. That's nice. Now can you tell me who is going to win the World Series in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016?

I might be able to make some serious money on that.

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Response to onenote (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:07 PM

34. I'd rather be able to predict Powerball numbers. n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:50 PM

35. What is it about her that you think will make her win?

I haven't heard much about her - more like Elizabeth Warren is the one I'd expect to see predictions for.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:01 PM

36. Gillibrand is very popular in New York, but not sure how she would do Nationally

Gillibrand has also already basically endorsed Hillary Cliinton for 2016, as has Nancy Pelosi. They've both said they think she should run.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:06 PM

40. Clinton/O'Malley 2016. nt

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:08 PM

41. Gilibrand is too conservative to get the nomination and so is Warner.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:17 PM

45. When she was a Congresswoman, probably, now? No she's in about the right spot for the Dem primary.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:43 AM

46. She was my congresswoman, would certainly get my vote!

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:44 AM

49. The choices are pretty good

I don't know enough about Gillibrand or Castro yet, but I will start checking both out.

Castro is from Texas which would give us a better shot at swinging the state blue (which would be a miracle). If we kept all the other states in play, the Republicans would have a tough time winning.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:55 PM

51. I think we lose 2016

 

Can't win 'em all, and winning three elections in a row is tough for any one party to do anymore. Last time it happened was 1988.

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Response to Ter (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:20 PM

53. Technically, the last time it happened was 2000.

Until the USSC changed the results of the election.

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Response to Ter (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:41 PM

55. I fear that you may be right.

It's rare to win three in a row. That's another reason why I hope that Hillary runs in 2016. She's the one candidate who has become such an icon that she could transcend party affiliation.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:41 PM

54. Gillibrand? I don't see it.

While she is great, and undoubtedly is being groomed to be a presidential candidate in years to come, I don't think it can happen in 2016.

There is not enough air in the State of New York for both Andrew Cuomo and any other candidate. As machavellian as Cuomo is, I expect that he will do everything within his power to destroy Gillibrand before she can seriously be considered for the Presidency. Cuomo is not guided by loyalty or politics. but rather his own naked political ambition. He will try to destroy anyone impeding what he believes to be his manifest destiny -- i.e., the White House.

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