Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:29 PM
DonViejo (12,813 posts)
How to Negotiate - By Joe Klein
By Joe Klein
Nov. 30, 2012
The Republicans are, reportedly, outraged by President Obama’s opening bid in the fiscal cliff talks. Republicans always seem to be outraged. It’s getting boring. They need to step up and make a counter-offer.
That’s how people negotiate. In this case, they need to be specific about the spending cuts they want. When their specific initial offer is on the table, then you can haggle. (Of course, it’s entirely possible that all this is a smokescreen and actual haggling is taking place privately, between John Boehner and the President.)
But it is time to stow the Republican intemperance. It might have seemed “righteous” indignation when the GOP was deluding itself about representing a majority of Americans; now, it just seem puerile and petulant. Take, for example, this little outburst by Charles Krauthammer, in which the Administration’s opening bid is compared, unfavorably, to the unconditional surrender imposed on the South at Appamatox. Oh please. Does he really believe this infantile foot-stomping–the Republicans should walk out of the talks!–is going to be effective? Maybe so, given the fact that he’s lost his mind about so many other things in recent years.
What is difficult for the Fox talking heads to understand is this: We had an election. The President won. This gives him greater leverage than the last election we had, in 2010, when the President’s party lost. It isn’t absolute leverage, obviously, but it’s more than he had. Wise Republicans know this score–and will negotiate as hard as they can to match the revenue increases with reasonable long-term entitlement cuts.
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/30/how-to-negotiate/#ixzz2DpHMetGR
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:15 PM
Jennicut (25,415 posts)
1. Republicans always act like the party in charge, regardless if they aren't.
And their outrages are all for show. To appeal to the rightest of the right wing of their party. That may keep them in power in certain house districts but in the Senate and Presidential elections it is going to kill them off. But now Dems finally growing a spine, and the Repubs are coming against public opinion as well. May they all go down with the sinking ship of modern conservatism.
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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:21 AM
Proud Liberal Dem (13,464 posts)
but I agree with Klein- I'm getting really tired of all of their "(p)outrage". Even when they're in charge, they find things to be "outraged" about. I can only imagine how hard- physically and emotionally- it is for them (and their supporters) to live in perpetual "outrage" mode all the time. I have my bad days too where I get overly upset about something or other (Bush's re-election in 2004 was definitely upsetting) but then I usually find a way to suck it up and move on. Frankly, life's much happier that way. It would seem that the electorate may be getting tired of it too. I think that this probably explains why all of this Benghazi/Rice BS is not having the kind of effect that the right-wing/Fox News pundits were hoping for prior to the election/since the election. They really just need to get a life IMHO. As they used to tell us, "elections have consequences." In order to be taken seriously, they need to learn that they don't own the WH/Congress any more than the Democratic Party does and that when the election is over and the dust settles, both sides need to get back to working for the common good of all Americans, which they have never really ever learned how to do, unlike Democrats whom, though they detested Bush, saw fit to try to work together with him on a lot of things, particularly after 9/11, or at least didn't spend all of their time trying to keep government from operating properly.