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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:33 PM

Are Republicans Really Breaking with Grover Norquist?


The man behind the GOP’s anti-tax pledge decodes the buzzwords.

By David Weigel


Grover Norquist is used to it by now. A reporter corners a Republican on the tax extensions/debt deal/fiscal cliff. The reporter asks: Will you break the Taxpayer Protection Pledge and consider raising taxes? The Republican waffles, and the reporter’s next call is to Norquist, the president of Americans of Tax Reform, to see whether a heresy has been committed.

“Somebody answers a hypothetical—would you raise taxes a teeny bit if someone would give you a jillion dollars of entitlement reform?” says Norquist, taking a few minutes to talk between “some cable news things” on Monday. “That’s the question that Sen. Lindsey Graham keeps getting.”

Over the weekend, Graham had joined the latest round of the game by going on ABC News and appearing to break the pledge, which puts its signatories on record against any net tax increase. “I think Grover is wrong when it comes to we can’t cap deductions and buy down debt,” said Graham. “I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform.” The Washington Post called this a “break with Grover Norquist.”

That wasn’t how Norquist saw it. “I’ve talked to Lindsey Graham on the phone after some of his pronouncements, and he’s said: ‘Oh, I would need 10-1 , and it would have to include permanent, unalterable entitlement reform.’ I said: ‘Lindsey, if that’s what it’s going to take to get you to raise taxes, I’m not going to worry about you. You are not in danger of being offered a silver unicorn, because unicorns don’t exist.’ ”

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/grover_norquist_tax_pledge_are_republicans_breaking_the_taxpayer_protection.html?wpisrc=newsletter_rubric

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:37 PM

1. Are Republicans Really Breaking with Grover Norquist?

To presume that to be true,also seems to presume rethugs have any capacity or desire to be honest,factual or in possession of a shred of moral integrity......Personally....That's too much of a leap for me.......

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:35 PM

9. +1000 nt

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:13 PM

11. Once a dog has turned on you it's kind of hard to have faith.

Yep, you're right. Too much of a leap for me.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:39 PM

2. Hell yeah....the TOONS this week prove it. That lousy toad is toast.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888666

If these GOP idiots stick with Grover instead of their constituents, they'll be facing opposition in two scant years.

Remember, the "money" end of things always starts in the HOUSE--and they are the ones most vulnerable to getting bounced.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:14 PM

3. "permanent, unalterable entitlement reform"

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:49 PM

10. Reform from Republicans means how many they can push out of lifeboats so they can keep their yachts.

And they want us to believe they're breaking up with Grover?

Not a chance. Still Ayn Rand sociopaths, all of them.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:29 PM

13. Revealed their positions are

their dance around the Norquist pledge is pure Kubuki theater

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:13 PM

14. +1. And the article was very telling, but the big media poof story is the 'break up.'

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:19 PM

4. No. It's a whitewash for their insistence Democrats be 'reasonable' about 'entitlements.'

They've been trying to slash the social safety net forever, it's a matter of doctrine that precedes Nordquist. He's just being thrown in our face as the cause of all of it, not one of them will vote to do anything to help people or extend rights.

They have not changed one bit. Let them toss Grover under the bus, they are still driving us into poverty and inequality. Never forget, and pay atention to every time they vote against those they intended to hurt all along.

They just all swore to vote against the UN on rights for the disabled, are we dumb enough to believe the media hype that they have they changed their tune?

Not buying what their media is selling us this week, no.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:36 PM

7. x2

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:30 PM

5. Apparently they are but it is to be a trial separation and they will still be friends.

Strictly platonic though, no skeezy stuff.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:34 PM

6. NO - they are far more scared of Grover

than they are of their idiot districts which will re-elect them forever unless someone like Grover has a reason to put up an even crazier candidate.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:52 PM

8. Lip service for the little peple to suck up.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:26 PM

12. It's kind of fun to watch them try to talk out of both sides of their mouths....at once.


Too many land mines all around them. Say one thing: piss off their constituents. Say another: Enrage Grover and the folks with the big bucks. Say still another: Watch the Democrats go on the warpath.

This is going to get really interesting before it's all over watching these idiots turn themselves inside out trying to keep everyone happy. Ultimately someone will be angry with the line they choose---possibly everyone. Couldn't happen to a better, more deserving bunch of thugs.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:07 PM

15. Not in any meaningful way....

If you listen to what they say, they aren't offering much. Still insisting on the tire old "entitlement reform" line, and offering reduction in tax "loopholes" that are largely beneficial to the middle class.

They may be trying to put a shine on it, but it's the same old Republican turd.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

16. Closing of loopholes and the limiting deductions

Does the Republicans' plan for the "closing of loopholes and the limiting deductions" close loopholes and limit deductions for everybody or just the wealthy? I would also like to know specifics on why the "math doesn't add up." I am of the belief that there is no way the math adds up unless you hit everybody including the poor and middle-class -- not just the wealthy. Have the Republicans even been specific in what loopholes they are closing and what deductions they are limiting?

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