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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:25 PM

SO now, how do we POLITICALLY FINISH OFF the OUT OF TUNE and OUT OF TOUCH GOP??

As this election proved, even Citizens United couldn't save their sad, pathetic, right wing carcasses. Even voter suppression couldn't save them. So, how do we keep this going so that we can POLITICALLY finish them off?? Here are a few recommendations, since they only plan to double down on their TeaCrazy SHIT.

1) The progressive coalitions that won this election need to STAY organized. ORGANIZED to pressue for good legislation (though remember, SOME compromise MUST happen to get SOMETHING done) and THIS TIME to FIGHT BACK against the TeaParty.

2) We need to keep the coalitions ENGAGED for 2014 and MAKE SURE THEY VOTE THIS TIME !! (This is going to also take leadership outside the politicians who do not run movements. Progressive groups need to STAY UNITED and get ready for the next election NOW.)

3) INVEST in real progressive MEDIA and progressive thinktanks. Right wing propaganda isn't going away. It must be done in print, in social media, and on the airwaves including radio. WHY THE HELL CAN'T PROGRESSIVES LEARN TO INVEST IN MEDIA ????

*** Just staging protests and demonstrations DOES NOT HAVE MUCH EFFECT. The items noted above DO. Progressives need to CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. And that narrative is: "THE RIGHT WING IS OUT OF TUNE, OUT OF TOUCH, AND OUT OF TIME with the NEW MAJORITY of AMERICANS who are SICK AND TIRED OF THEIR WORN OUT AND BAD BACKWARDS WORLDVIEW ON BOTH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC ISSUES.***

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Reply SO now, how do we POLITICALLY FINISH OFF the OUT OF TUNE and OUT OF TOUCH GOP?? (Original post)
RBInMaine Nov 2012 OP
Coyotl Nov 2012 #1
Aristus Nov 2012 #13
DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #2
Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #3
lastlib Nov 2012 #4
CTyankee Nov 2012 #6
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #7
lastlib Nov 2012 #12
cprise Nov 2012 #17
Myrina Nov 2012 #23
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #37
ancianita Nov 2012 #5
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #8
ancianita Nov 2012 #9
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #42
lunatica Nov 2012 #19
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #20
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #38
musiclawyer Nov 2012 #10
Zoeisright Nov 2012 #11
eridani Nov 2012 #14
Coyotl Nov 2012 #18
ancianita Nov 2012 #22
eridani Nov 2012 #43
forestpath Nov 2012 #25
world wide wally Nov 2012 #15
cprise Nov 2012 #16
snot Nov 2012 #31
NewJeffCT Nov 2012 #21
Myrina Nov 2012 #24
samsingh Nov 2012 #26
Sunlei Nov 2012 #27
Lil Missy Nov 2012 #28
carol1 Nov 2012 #29
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #39
john-davidnj5 Nov 2012 #41
sofa king Nov 2012 #30
Arkana Nov 2012 #32
thelordofhell Nov 2012 #33
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #34
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #40
BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #45
workinclasszero Nov 2012 #35
assad for prez Nov 2012 #36
totodeinhere Nov 2012 #44
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #46
littlemissmartypants Jul 10 #47

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:35 PM

1. Give them the microphone

"Please proceed Governor."

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:06 PM

13. In the words of Toby Ziegler of 'The West Wing':

(sports metaphor) "If a guy goes 0 for 23 from the field, and 8 for 9 from the foul line, why are you fouling this guy in the first place? Just give him the ball and point him toward the basket!"

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:41 PM

2. amen

the fight did not end in November.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:46 PM

3. Destroy Citizens United.

 

Do that and you destroy the GOP.

That and take a camera to every GOP function. They can't help but to shoot themselves in the foot every time they open their mouths.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:47 PM

4. I think a VITAL ingredient is crippling their "farm clubs"...

...cleaning them out of the state legislatures is the key to that. This is where they would get the future congressional and Senate candidates. It would also help if we could find a way to diminish the influence of RW "think tanks", policy groups, and academics who formulate their ideas--like Heritage, Cato, and ALEC.

If you've never read the "Powell Manifesto", find it and read it and you'll start to get an idea of what we are up against. It outlines a multi-pronged approach to institutionalizing conservative ideology into every nook and cranny of society as a means of achieving their conservative "utopia". It is SCARY!! And it's coming to fruition on many levels. It was written by Lewis Powell shortly before he was appointed to the Supreme Court by Nixon. It's chilling reading to any liberal. Everybody on this board should become familiar with it, to know what we are fighting against.

http://commonwealinstitute.org/category/tags/powell-manifesto

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Response to lastlib (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:19 PM

6. You are absolutely correct. This is the key. If we don't get control of state leges we are

stuck, because they are doing the gerrymandering that produces the Republican majority in the House. We've gotta change that.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:25 PM

7. I am very familiar with the Powell memo, and they DID IT while progressives napped. Gotta fight fire

with fire and INVEST in progressive media and think tanks and yes also focus on state and local races in a big way.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:32 PM

12. I'm with ya, pardner!

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Response to lastlib (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:58 AM

17. Some of the huge problems Lefties have with our media habits

Many of us love to spend large chunks of our free time reading/listening/watching RW infotainment and getting shocked and appalled. THEN we post lots of links to their content as we describe how upset they make us.

...over and over, day in and day out for the 10+ years I've been on DU.

To a large extent it doesn't help and here's why:

1) The energy spent venting/preaching to the choir could be put to better use.

2) It fills our heads with THEIR ideas and crowds-out ideas we should be learning and developing, making and loving them as "our own". This is a big reason why a large chunk of center-Left ideas are denigrated on Liberal sites as "purist" and "far-Left" (though I try to explain that progressive purity would amount to communism, so it is a false but effectively harmful accusation) because many of us are underexposed to them and we end up seeing them as alien when opportunities arise for hitting our rubber to the road.

2a) Over the years I've come to recognize a type of individual Liberal or Progressive who not only suffers the malady of ideas, but has evidently become emotionally dependent on the RW personalities for whom they express so much distaste.

3) NOT THE LEAST: It substantially raises the stature, page-ranking and ad revenues for the RWers.

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Response to cprise (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:28 AM

23. ^This is why I don't watch MSNBC anymore ...

... it's become an "Oh, look what (insert name of Faux knucklehead here) said today!" pissing contest.
If I wanted to see what's on Faux, I'd watch Faux.

There are valid criticisms for both parties, now that the election is over. Current does a much better job of pointing the finger in both directions and discussing issues rather than just lobbing molotovs back and forth across the parking lot like Faux and MSNBC seem to be doing.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:28 PM

37. +1000 nt

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:59 PM

5. Lead in legislation. Make no concessions. No amount of "maybe" bait should get us to cross the aisle

AND for starters, GO OFF THE DAMNED CLIFF. Fuck those bastards. No more Mr. Nice Guys/Gals.

Stay hardcore, play hardcore, and some red dog repubs will come around, especially those with close district races, who need to take something constructive back to show their district that they were at least doing SOMETHING besides obstructing for their paychecks.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:28 PM

8. LEAD yes, and FIGHT, but also remember that some compromise MUST occur in governing. To suggest

otherwise disregards American history and all reality.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:00 PM

9. They LOVE to hear this, my fellow Mainiac, just to play Lucy with the football with you, and then

SNAP it away. You can't lose if you don't play. They are the ones who have to cross the aisle now, not us.

This kind of thinking is what got you two Republicans who sometimes were reasonable with bipartisanship for discussion, then snapped their alleged support away in the vote. No thanks. Not now. The public wants to see progress, and the only progress to be made legislatively is to force these lazy-assed paycheck queens off their ideological duffs and act like adults.

Right now, any Democratic action has to be national and high visibility so that the public knows we mean business -- THEIR business. That's why I'm raising the "fiscal cliff" drama as the first to stand firm on.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:30 PM

42. Again, I did not say there shouldn't be bold leadership on driving the issues and narrative, BUT

if you have any clue whatsoever of American history and the American system since its very inception, you know that governing does not occur without some compromise. Like it or not, WAY too many WHINY BITCHY PISSY MOANY progressives sat on THEIR ASSES and stayed home in 2010 which greatly reduced our Senate majority and caused them to take over the House and gerrymander those districts at the state level where they were also ALLOWED to win big. NOW WE LIVE WITH THE DAMAGE. THEY ARE IN. Yes, THEY need to COMPROMISE with US too, but yes, COMPROMISE MUST HAPPEN to get some things done because THAT is what the MAJORITY of the people WANT and THAT is what GOVERNING IS.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:55 AM

19. What are you willing to compromise right now?

As long as they're under teaparty influence and control they aren't going to compromise. All they're going to do is whine about it as if they're the only 'reasonable' party.

I'm not willing to give them a few cuts to Social Security just to say we're doing it in the 'spirit of compromise' because that isn't compromise. It's allowing the rat the first bite of the cheese, hoping it leaves enough so we can say we ate some. It's like allowing our water a few drops of poison, or growing our food with just a bit of toxic fertilizer so the fertilizer business can stay in business.

Some things are better when they aren't watered down with destructive agents.

It's like a marriage counselor telling the wife that if she lets her husband hit her a little bit she can then get something for herself in return.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:58 AM

20. Wow. THAT is why our side lacks strong media advocates. Your idea-to defeat GOP-

is to run about shouting that we MUST compromise with them, in advance of any negotiations, prior to hearing what they will demand. You are claiming you wish to defeat them, but asking media people to go forth and promote GOP policy, to say 'well we will be doing things half their way, no matter what the people voted for'.
Shills like that exist on the right and inside the professional political group of DC. That's it. Actual people with principle will not shill for the other sides right to set the agenda.
We won the election, and your goals are 1. No protests and 2. Compromise as much and as quickly as possible with the Benghazi Paranoia Party.
Should we also compromise on say, Susan Rice? Say that she is half to blame, to find compromise? History shows us that attempts to compromise with madness end poorly.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:34 PM

38. Agreed..fight.....

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:47 PM

10. Cliff + filibuster change = Dem House '14

It's really that simple

Each create incredible opportunity for Democrats. It all starts in the Senate Then all they need to do is pass good laws. The GOP house will behave as we expect and they will be punished badly.

POTUS simply has of lead and not touch the marijuana measures. Otherwise the millenials don't turn out in '14 and the house flip becomes harder

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:52 PM

11. They'll do it themselves.

They just have to keep on being cruel, backwards, and offensive. The country is changing. And they are not.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:12 AM

14. Start out by defending Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

Not doing so will make 2014 a vastly worse drubbing for us than 2010 was.

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Response to eridani (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:36 AM

18. Introduce legislation to remove or raise significantly the Social Security cap.

The rich are getting a free ride on social security taxes. Watch them defend opposing that as their popularity sinks like a lead balloon.

Then move on to the minimum wage .....

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:22 AM

22. Removing the cap is the only reform that's acceptable.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:42 PM

43. Mark Begich (D-AK) has already done that. Ask your senators to cosponsor

Yes, even if they are Rethugs.

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Response to eridani (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:33 AM

25. +1

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:51 AM

15. Just hope they stay crazy as batshit and keep denying reality. If they decide to be reasonable,

then we have to work harder.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:28 AM

16. Media reform and Citizens United

Unless you get rid of the RW lock on broadcast spectrum, people will keep listening to Neocon radio while they are stuck in traffic, and poor whites will only have access to TV that is overwhelmingly corporate and Right-leaning.

You have to break up the regional monopolies, and get rid of the products of 90's merger-mania so that most media assets are owned by far more than 5 corporations (50 would be more reasonable). Reinstate ownership restrictions on broadcast media so that they cannot become mouthpieces for other sectors; for finance or the military-industrial complex as they are now.

Coming at it from the other direction, it would make a great deal of sense to start state and regional public broadcasting networks (not just individual stations) with a focus on real news reporting-- the operators at the national level are very corrupt so alternatives are needed. (Likewise, I advise against investment in for-profit media corporations as a way to level the playing field-- It doesn't work for long and the for-profit model will cause them to turn RW.)

This is how you reduce the blaring 10-zillion-watt, 24/7 crazy-making machine.

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Response to cprise (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:16 PM

31. +1000

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:51 AM

21. don't take the foot off the gas

A lot of Democrats, liberals, progressives, etc celebrated when Obama won in 2008, then they took a deep breath & relaxed for a bit. However, Republics hit the ground running even before election day with the Tea Party movement and an obstruct-everything agenda. So, while many activists on the left were still active & speaking loudly, they were far less numerous after election day, and it seemed like all the anger and loud voices were coming from the right without much to countermand it from the left.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:35 AM

24. How about educating their voters?

If their base continues to shrink to the point that they're just not a viable party anymore, they'll have to change or die.

They have some rabid, hanging-on-by-the-knuckles-because-they-hate-liberals constituents at their base, which we will probably never win over, but the rest of their voting block may be open to some kind of logic-based moderate ideas.

There's a meme going around Facebook about the Secessionists ("Thanks for teaching our children that when you don't get what you want, throw a tantrum and run away"), and a couple of my Repub acquaintances commented "Gee, just like the Senators in WI did last year when they left the state". While I disagree fundamentally with her, she does sorta have a point.

Its the voters like that, who will NEVER, to their dying day, never 'give in' to a 'liberal' idea that we need to 'write off' (pardon me, Mitt) and instead continue to show the reasonable folks - with facts, logic and historical example - that OUR POLICIES ARE BETTER THAN THE GOP'S.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:36 AM

26. we need to do this

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:36 AM

27. focus like a laser on them, one by one- and vote them out

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:51 AM

28. Force them to go on record with their unpopular positions.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:02 PM

29. Don't lose interest - Vote in 2014

Pay attention to all the elections, even in the off years. Vote in all your state elections, the state legislatures are the ones who do the redistricting, don't let your state leg. go all red. You see what has happened in all these states where both state houses are repub. Vote ID, reduced voting time, purged voted rolls, anti-union laws. These elections are really important. I vote in every election, even the smallest and dullest ones. I want to be able to say, I have done my best.

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Response to carol1 (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:34 PM

39. +1000 nt

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Response to carol1 (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:15 PM

41. probably the best answer overall

 

excellent post

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:03 PM

30. Use dark money to fund Tea Party primary challengers.

The Republicans pledged not to raise taxes, then used the middle class tax cuts as a bargaining tool instead of extending them.

Thanks to Citizens United, we can use dark money to identify and fund Tea Party candidates, and they can hide behind the talking points of Grover Norquist's racket even if Norquist refuses to endorse them.

We can make sure each one of our shill candidates conceals a dark, career-ending secret (also easy to do), so that if they win in the primaries, we can destroy them before the mid-terms.

Even if they don't win, the incumbent wastes hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours in an unnecessary primary challenge.

And nobody ever has to know that it happened.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:22 PM

32. If the Democrats attempt major legislation

they have to control the message from start to finish. They failed to do that with the ACA and the result was the GOP wave in 2010.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:38 PM

33. Run for office

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:41 PM

34. It's going to be HARD. We should have done it in 2010

before they swept into power in state legislatures and governor houses.

I seriously doubt RepubLemmings will listen to a single thing any Progressive says. They would have otherwise done so already. The only way to politically finish off the GOP is to weaken their base's influence in elections and vote them out of office, en masse. But with the 2010 redistricting, that's a really tall order.

Only 40% of Democrats and Democratic Party leaning voters came out to vote in 2010 - and it unfairly gave President Obama and Speaker Pelosi a shellacking, and the GOP unearned rewarding, that we're going to feel for a long, long time.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:11 PM

40. The moral of your story is to NOT stay home and WHINE and BITCH about not getting purity.

I said it in 2010: GET THE FUCK OUT AND VOTE BECAUSE ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Those motherfuckers got in an immediately went after the unions, went after voting rights, and gerrymandered like hell to secure their existence for at least several more years. What we have to do is get MASSIVE Dem registrations and turnout and enough Indies to wrest control of enough governorships, state legislatures, and national House seats to crush the right wing motherfuckers down HARD. States with referendum laws could see progress undoing damage via referendum. What is needed is ROBUST investment in progressive media, ONGOING progressive UNITY and ENGAGEMENT, and WINNING THE VALUES AND POLICY NARRATIVE.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:01 PM

45. Although I agree with you

we can't deny the fact that Labor wasn't able to get out the vote for Democrats in 2010.

People were so disenchanted with the moderate Democrats that they stayed home. Normally, I would stand behind that stance just to give the DNC a huge wake-up call (one they appeared to want to return with the recall in Wisconsin under Wasserman-Schultz when they didn't lift much of a finger to GOTV for Labor), but 2010 was a critical year when Democrats should not have wanted to punish the BlueDogs because it was the year states were allowed to do redistricting - and we lost BIG time. Now we have to wait another ten years - 2020!

I am 110% behind your suggestion that we need to invest in robust progressive media and to remain united and engaged. In the long run, nothing matters if we don't stand together and keep power in Congress and the WH - even through the most difficult and trying times.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:00 PM

35. Get the repig party small enough to drown in a bathtub..

I've heard that somewhere...LOL

Seriously, the teabaggers, Faux noise and slimy creeps like Limbaugh are doing the work for us! They will and are at this very moment totally destroying the republican party.

They have learned absolutely nothing from the terrible beating the american public just gave them. All you can see on repig sites is, imaginary "vote fraud", Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi and the fact that Rmoney was not conservative enough so the next candidate has to be to the right politically of freakin Adolf Hitler!

Yeah thats right. I guess we was all waitin for Palin or that jackass West from Florida to run for prez! Who knew?

We need to collective beat the living shit out of them in 14 and take control over the house so we can get this country working again for the average american.

Then the mortally wounded repig beast will finally meet its damn Waterloo in 2016 when Hillary, or Rice? or Warren? annihilate they asses for the last time and we elect the first woman president!

It could happen...

All progressives have to stick together, Occupy, all the blogs, students, young folks in general, all the social networking sites, everybody. We got this thing people! The right is scared shitless after what just happened to them. The ones with half a brain realize the racist southern strategy is now dead and their pool of old white ignorant voters are dying off by the day and taking their power with them to the grave.

They got NOTHING to replace it with!

We GOT THIS! Just stay strong and united and please change this lousy world!

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:54 PM

44. You are calling for finishing off the Republican Party? Do you prefer a one party state

because that is what we will get if the GOP goes away.

IMO we need two parties to have a functioning representative democracy. If the GOP goes away then there had better be another party ready to take it's place. And I don't see that right now.

I think a better course is to try to force the Republican Party to reform itself much in the way that the Democrats did when they purged Jim Crow Democrats from their ranks during the 60's.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:03 PM

46. Simple

we continue on the right track that we were on during the election, continue GOTV on every election taking place be it local or national.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:42 AM

47. Bog Bodies

"...ritual killing - probably of a relatively high-status male a former king, or a senior priest..."

PBS NOVA
Ghosts of Murdered Kings

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/ghosts-murdered-kings.html

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