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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:05 PM

 

John McCain From Hero To Zero

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Reply John McCain From Hero To Zero (Original post)
johnlennon_shallrise Nov 2012 OP
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #1
Little Star Nov 2012 #2
gregi Nov 2012 #3
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #4
Geoff R. Casavant Nov 2012 #11
dwilso40641 Nov 2012 #5
Ian David Nov 2012 #6
longship Nov 2012 #8
Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #7
russspeakeasy Nov 2012 #9
LineLineNew Reply I
John2 Nov 2012 #10
courseofhistory Nov 2012 #12
dougreese Nov 2012 #13
Ian David Nov 2012 #14
Cha Nov 2012 #16
Cha Nov 2012 #15

Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:06 PM

1. K&R!

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Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

2. Yep. Him and Petraus.

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Response to gregi (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:12 PM

4. Welcome to DU!

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Response to gregi (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:01 PM

11. I don't get the reference, sorry.

What does a TV show have to do with John McCain?

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Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:39 PM

6. Should be "Quit while you're ahead," not "Quite while your ahead."

There are also too many other spelling and grammatical errors to make it worth sharing.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:54 PM

8. I agree.

Kind of detracts from the message that it wasn't proofread by somebody who knows grammar.

Why are so many so ignorant of their native language?

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Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:41 PM

7. Many around here have taken issue with my harsh and truthful critique

of McCain. His service was far from honorable.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:36 PM

9. Same here, but I don't give a shit.

He earned his nick name "lyin john".

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:53 PM

10. I

 

do not take issue with your critique but I do consider his service honorable, having just served in the service in a combat role. However, this does not make him anymore a hero, than others that also served in the military. Looking at the after action reports of his service, doesn't make John McCain an expert either, enough to criticize someone with the stature of General Colin Powell or even President Obama currently.

John McCain's biography, doesn't show him in any leadership role or leading troops. There is no position that he had a command. Even I had the opportunity to lead a platoon. President Obama, just by being Commander-in-chief, now has more leadership experience than McCain in reality. And I think President Obama has done pretty good for on the job training.

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Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:03 PM

12. More...

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.” WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft


http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/35321150/navy-releases-mccains-records

Also, he sang like a canary while in captivity in Vietnam:

It seems that some are digging into McCain's questionable past and the more he keeps after Susan Rice so unjustifiably, the more he is likely to be exposed.

He also is said to have signed anti-American propaganda while in captivity.

Each of these official records of John McCain’s interviews with foreign correspondents, while held captive in Hanoi is reproduced below. Observe that every one of these interviews contains military information — far, far beyond the limits required by the Code of Conduct. Indeed this information is far beyond what nearly all of the POWs were severely tortured to obtain — the insignificant ‘gray area’ information such as nebulous ‘air pirate’ signed statements. Only those few who were turncoats and anti-war sympathizers among our POWs gave up more information to the enemy than did John McCain.


http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/McCainSangLikeACanary.htm

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Response to courseofhistory (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:06 AM

13. Lies . . . .

. . you've pretty much posted lies.

He had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened on the Forrestal.

And as for his time as a POW -- here's a news brake for you -- ALL the POWs broke.

The other POWs don't have a problem with McCains service. Those who do, are usually
like you -- internet warriors.

Doug Reese

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Response to dougreese (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:42 AM

14. He's just asking questions and letting people decide for themselves. Like on Fox "News." n/t

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Response to courseofhistory (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:27 PM

16. This is not hard to believe from the John McCain who's been acting

like he's sold his soul to the devil a long time ago.

Corporatemediawhore$ are complicit with Senator Zero.

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Response to johnlennon_shallrise (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:23 PM

15. Senator Zero.

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