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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:48 PM

1. That from kos himself???

HA!

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:50 PM

2. Yup, talk this bullshit on DK and get banned.

 

Markos doesn't put up with ANY conspiracy theory bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:50 PM

3. I think that people are reading too much into Rove's BS on election night.

I think that he's always been overrated and doesn't actually know how to read polling or election results all that well. He's a flim-flam man. Always has been, always will be. I remember reading this story from the 2006 midterms where he was up on election night trying desperately to find some good news for the Republicans, but Bush himself saw the writing on the wall and went to bed very early knowing he had been whipped.

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Response to Zynx (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:53 PM

4. And I think somebody is trolling the people inclined to beleive the voting machine bullshit.

 

And htey are laughing their asses off reading all the CT crap that came out of their troll.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:54 PM

73. The trolls probably produced the fake anon video or work for the producers and are promoting

the fraud product about the vote fraud fraudulently prevented

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Response to Zynx (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:11 PM

8. He was allowed to perpetrate Treason, to be a Purger ,and Fraud with ShrubCo protection...

An enemy of the people and not in the Henrik Ibsen way .

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Response to Zynx (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:25 PM

34. +1

As a Faux TV personality, he was just creating drama.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:55 PM

5. Anybody that wants to thwart Misanthropes is Coool in my book.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:01 PM

6. I am Not a conspiracy theorist fan

But someone MUST explain to me how Karl Rove was so certain Romney winning OH? Why Romney looked stunned he didnt "win" and why he didn't even bother to write a consession speech.

When someone gives me a good response then I would think Karl is an honest decent guy who believed Romney was in fact, a good candidate and the American ppl really fell in love with him.

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:09 PM

7. He relied on the internal polling of the Romney campaign.

 

Quite simply put, he deluded himself just like everybody in the Romney campaign.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:25 PM

43. Most likely reason

but I love conspiracy theories tinfoilhat:

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:14 PM

9. Kkkarl thought $$$$$$$$$ was everything .

Showing his proven contempt for America and Human beings as a whole .

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:17 PM

10. +1

And while the media was spouting all the BS about the race being close, the numbers clearly showed that it wasn't. Rove is not an idiot, so a loss shouldn't really have been such a surprise to him. And yet it was. He was clearly stunned. What was that about?

Laugh all you like. Something was up with that.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:25 PM

11. No, nothing was up with that.

 

Rove bought into the "the polls are skewed because there is no way the electorate will look like 2008"

End of the day, the electorate wa even less white and more brown than in 2008.

That's why they were all shocked. Every last damned one of them believed their own "unskewed poll" bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:33 PM

12. I disagree. He's not dumb. The actual numbers were out there. The

aggregators had predicted 2010 well enough that their predictions were certainly on his radar.

And he is willing to go to any lengths to win. Remember when he broke into his own office and called it burglary? That was when he was new at the game. He's better at it now.

But neither of us knows what is actually in his head, so we must agree to disagree.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:48 PM

80. He has made this mistake before

Remember when he told every one he had "the" numbers and the GOP wouldn't lose the House in '06? He adjusts his polls just like everyone else. He frequently adjusts them in ways that don't pan out.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:06 PM

41. Maybe half right.

Probably he thought, based on his experiences in 2004 and 2008, that the electorate would be more white and old because young and multi-colored would largely not be allowed to vote and/or have their votes disappeared electronically.

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:30 PM

82. Exactly.

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:08 PM

18. Because they are idiots

When you have to lie as much as Romney and Rove, you can start drinking your own Kool-Aid

Rove was never certain the Romney would win Ohio. He just thought that that Fox News had called it prematurely and that Romney still had a chance.

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Response to gravity (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:13 PM

19. Do you think he stole OH from Kerry

In 04?

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:21 PM

26. I don't. nt

 

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:43 AM

51. I do. eom

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:29 PM

86. At the risk of being ridiculed...

I think he did.

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:27 PM

35. Rove was just in denial, they were losing, the tipping point was passing. NO, it can't be, no, cry

He was flipping out inside a lot more than we saw, I bet.
Had he not been on Fox Live, he would have let his head explode

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:10 AM

44. Three parts

1) Rove has sold himself since 2000 as an expert on Ohio. Getting it very wrong is very bad for his continued employment

2) Rove had just spent a crapload of money losing everywhere. Getting it very wrong is very bad for his continued employment.

3) Rove believed that the electorate would look like 2000/2004, where it was older, whiter and more conservative. That's the basis of the "unskewed polls" crap. Instead, the 2008 electorate showed up again. Getting it very wrong is very bad for his continued employment.

So, why was Rove freaking out on Fox? Well, he's rather concerned about his continued employment.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:53 PM

72. +1000 nt

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:09 AM

60. They seriously believed their own hype

They live in a bubble.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:40 PM

13. The world runs on conspiracies.

Just look at the Patraeus affair, how many weird secrets were going on.

You gotta wonder why Kos is so angry about it and so adamant about something that's not true.

I don't believe the Rove/Anonymous conspiracy
but to deny that conspiracies exist is another form of denial.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:53 PM

14. oh good grief

 

Markos doesn't want to polute his brand with CT bullshit. It's that simple.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:01 PM

16. Why get so worked up about it, then?

What, I was supposed to admire him for censoring his site,
is that what you intended with this post?

Sorry, but you achieved the opposite for me.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:15 PM

21. It's his site. He does not want crazy people polluting the brand

 

He makes a damned good living from his site. He gets asked to be a guest on television and radio shows because of his site. He sells books because of his site.

The last thing he wants are nutjobs throwing up Alex Jones type stuff on his site, and whether or not you want to accept it, this Anonymous unhacked the election crap is some seriously Alex Jones type stuff!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:29 PM

36. I approve of dKos staying credible. I post over there.

I'd like to see more credibility concern on DU too.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:15 PM

42. I agree. What about Seigleman, Plame, Iran-Contra, JFK, etc.

Some want to demonize conspiracies because they shake up their tightly knitted realities. But conspiracies abound. And Karl Rove's job is to conspire to win elections and he had an unlimited budget.

Things are rarely as they seem. But some cant handle it. And you can tell by their extreme reactions. It's one thing to disagree with a conspiracy but sadly telling when some need to so strongly disparage such.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:55 PM

15. Good for kos...I'd suggest Creative Speculation for this shit here

But that's just me.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:16 PM

22. Definitley where it belongs

 

With the Truthers and the Contrailers.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:04 PM

17. Good for Kos

I'm sick of this crap too. It's insulting to all the hard workers on Obama's campaign. Yeah, Anonymous fixed it all. Just like divine intervention. What nonsense.

And Rove is overrated and irrelevant. Fuck him and his magical powers. He's become the nefarious mastermind for everything for many posters on this board.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:17 PM

23. I wish I could rec a response to an OP

 

Your response certainly deserves to be seen by everybody.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:19 PM

25. It's faith-based nonsense at its worst

Rove is the Devil...Anonymous is the savior. Don't demand evidence...just BELIEVE.

Meanwhile, in the real world, millions of people busted their ass getting turnout up in their precincts and actually winning the election.

You're exactly right: it is an insult. I'd also suspect that most of those flogging this conspiracy wouldn't take a step north of 96th street, if you catch my meaning.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:56 PM

32. Just Read This

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:02 AM

74. +1000

Great read.... thanks for posting....

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:50 PM

91. My take is this:

I would not put it past Rove to pull something like this, however unlikely. If Anonymous did halt him, good for them. If not, then there is nothing there. I'm not going to stress out either way. We won and I am thankful for everyone who made it possible.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:14 PM

20. We are the reason we won the election.

Anonymous can claim anything they want because, guess what? They are anonymous.

It's an insult to everyone who put time and effort into the re-election effort.

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Response to NightOwwl (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:17 PM

24. Well said. n/t

 

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Response to NightOwwl (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:53 PM

30. But

Anonymous made a vidja and everything!
Surely, all those people standing line for 8hrs + had nothing to do with Obama's victory!

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Response to NightOwwl (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:18 AM

48. Just like we won the 2000 and 2004 elections.

 

Effort is useless if the deck is stacked.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:25 PM

27. I don't discount anything nowadays

 

Paper ballot stuffing is real. It has happened time and time again. Electronic ballot stuffing is UNSTOPPABLE since there is no paper trail.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:31 PM

28. Can he do that on DU too?

I'm sick of reading about Rove here. He's just a worthless tub of shit.

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Response to LTR (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:39 PM

29. It's up to Skinner

 

I think this CT is just too ingrained in the DU culture for it to ever go away.

It's getting like Birtherism on some rightwing sites.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:54 PM

31. Dangit!

Now I have to change my icon.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:23 PM

33. Right on Kos! I gave it a REC.

No CT forums over there! Whooot!

Jesus Fucking Christ ...This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.
I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.


That nails it.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:31 PM

37. Someone send this message to Thom Hartmann

He got sucked down the CT drain on this one.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:39 PM

38. You seem to have a vested interest in defending Karl Rove...

 

Or do you just own stock in a company that manufactures voting machines?

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Response to Marmitist (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:01 PM

40. You seem to have a vested interest in a whacked out conspiracy theory

 

But most who buy into conspiracy theories are so emotionally dependent on them they decide anybody who questions the bullshit is part of the conspiracy.

It's standard conspiracy theorist behavior.

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Response to Marmitist (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:13 AM

45. Actually, you have that backwards

We're saying Rove is an incompetent boob.

Purveyors of this conspiracy theory are saying he's an evil mastermind, and only anonymous stopped him. For this conspiracy theory to work, you have to defend Rove - if he really is an incompetent boob, this theory goes down the drain.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:42 PM

39. We don't realize how much we are embarassing ourselves by buying the so called Anon thing.

Anyone with any credible technical background can read the supposed Anonymous statement (I say supposed because I don't believe its even from real Anonymous hackers) and tell that its a load of bullshit. The whole part about Orca having some connection is just one tip off among many that it was a bunch of made up stuff that someone wrote to get a rise out of people who aren't literate about these sorts of things.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:10 AM

53. IMHO There Are Two People/Sides That Can Verify Whether This Is A Conspiracy Theory Or Not.........

Anon themselves being one side - and Rove.

Anon can provide some proof that they intervened and prevented the election from being stolen or they can deny that the letter going around - that they intervened is from them.

I doubt that Anon would do either because either they would risk outing themselves if they provided some proof or they would lose some fans if they said the letter was not from them. As it is now - they could bask in the illusion that they intervened.

Rove can come clean and say that he is an evil genius but that he was just outsmarted by Anon - I doubt that he'd do that and implicate himself or he would cause people to think that maybe he's just not as smart as people think he is. Or I suppose he can go on Fox and explain his election night meltdown better - but I doubt that he would do that because it might look like he's trying to cover something up.

So I think we're at kind of a stalemate now. So I say - let people believe what they want to believe about this as it makes everybody happy.

Or we can hope that some interested third party - like some journalists ala Woodward and Bernstein (Watergate) - fully investigates the happenings surrounding this and comes up with some answers for us.







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Response to global1 (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:06 AM

56. I can verify myself that the supposed Anon statement is BS just by reading it.

Its a bunch of jargon and nonsense. From a technical perspective, its blatantly a bunch of bullshit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:16 AM

46. Thank god.

I do believe crap does happen in elections but I think the main push to influence this election was the suppression of minority voting. Karl believed his own right wing spin and was arrogant enough to think that those BS adds could influence people on a large scale. The main problem were the candidates and the crappy campaign they ran.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:37 AM

47. I felt that the whole rumor was a little too far fetched to be true

but I wished it were because there would be the possibility that Rove would get caught and spend a lot of time in jail.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:45 AM

49. Did the folks at Daily Kos watch the Thom Hartmann video? below ...

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:38 PM

68. Hartmann has now entered the same vein as Alex Jones

 

No credibility. I was always bothered by him bringing Brad Friedman on his show. Now I have no reason to listen to him any more because nothing he says can ever be relied upon again.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:09 PM

87. Oh please

Believing that Thom Hartman is in the same vein as Alex Jones is pure bullshit. You damage your so-called credibility with statements like that. Alex Jones believes that the world is secretly controlled by shape-shifting lizard people from another planet and that most of our political figures, (Obama included) are these lizard people.

Thom Hartman asking legitimate questions about an election that even without rigged voting machines has ample evidence that Republicans tried to steal with it is not wacko conspiracy nonsense...it's journalism. Sorry you're not able to tell the difference.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:46 PM

90. What the hell?

Have you ever listened to him? He is the most sane person on the radio.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:09 AM

50. kos does that because the CT ploy has been successful; has nothing to do with the truth.

Talk of any CT, even a true one, is damaging because the ploy of smearing all theories by conflating them with false, kooky ones has been mostly successful.

kos banning a particular CT isn't a good indicator of whether it is one of the true ones. kos bans all CTs, but some of them are still true.

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Response to eomer (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:06 AM

52. Yeah, kos knows the CT is real, but he just can't fight the power of the conspiracists.

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

58. No, he doesn't care whether it's true or not.

To him it has nothing to do with whether it's true, he bans it because the successful CT meme puts pressure on him to do so, just as it is intended to.

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Response to eomer (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:00 AM

59. For the sarcasm impaired

 

What I'm saying is you are full of shit.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:29 AM

61. Sorry, it's just the truth. kos bans conspiracy theories - including the ones that are true.

We could argue about why he does that, but I'm already granting him the less sinister motive - that he's just giving in to the pressure of the CT meme. The other possibility is that being a "liberal" gatekeeper is his primary purpose.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:18 PM

63. Not true. There are plenty of people willing to consider a CT as a possibility.

I'm one of them. I'm the proof that what you just said is not true. I am a conspiracy theorist in that I'm convinced there are conspiracies, I have various theories that I find fairly plausible, and I don't believe any particular one is yet known to be true, I merely believe that it's possible it may be true, and I also believe it is useful to discuss them, for various reasons.

You apparently believe that all conspiracy theories are false. Do I have that right? If so, then you're the one with an untenable belief because some conspiracy theories will certainly turn out to be true.

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Response to eomer (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:24 PM

64. Okay, you are a conspiracy theorist

 

You now go on ignore because you lack all credibility.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #64)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

69. That's funny! You start a thread that's, in your words, "for conspiracy theorists", but...

you don't actually want to have a discussion with them.

Maybe you should look for a discussion forum that bans discussion.

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Response to eomer (Reply #69)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:35 PM

83. Good point!

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:20 PM

88. Yes, put everyone on ignore that has a different opinion than you

That's what sane, rational, non-conspiracy minded people do to get "credibility."

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:16 AM

54. Where is the evidence that Anonymous has?

Anyone can claim anything if they don't have to use the evidence to back it up. Repubs thought voter suppression and their illustrious internal polling was going to win them this election. Rove is a has been who never really was the scary boogie man. He was just a pathetic mean-spirited asshole.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:46 AM

55. This CT fire is finally getting put out. Now, WHO started the damn fire?

Who made the bad video? Where did it appear?

Who are these CT Nuts anyway?

Are they as Anon as they think they are?

Can anyone who wants to become an Anon too?

There is a good new comment in the dKos thread. I love ridicule:

I see what's going on here (6+ / 0-)

Karl Rove hacked into Markos' account. This runs deeper than I suspected...

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:43 AM

57. A rudimentary understanding of computers and networking exposes this as bullshit...

 

Not sure why people are perpetuating this myth.

Creative speculation is for the other side.

Liberals should wait for overwhelming evidence before making declarations.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:01 PM

92. Occam's Razor says that Obama's well-documented GOTV efforts blew

 

the Romuloid's out of the water, ORCA failures notwithstanding.

You don't need to go to a CT to explain why Obama won by over 3% points in the general election (and why he trounced the Romuloid in the battleground states).

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

65. Agreed. Just stupid.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:16 PM

66. It's not a conspiracy "theory." It's a direct claim.

You can choose to believe or not. It's not some wildeyed made up theory. It's claim by a group that has a confirmed history of commiting serious hacking jobs against extremely secure sites, including CIA contractors, defense contractors and foreign countries.

I think anyone who thinks it's impossible or "ridiculous" that a professional hacker could hack into a serve to steal an election or prevention the theft of an election is a complete moron, and that includes Kos.

I'm not saying it definitely happened (although I believe it probably did), but I am saying it's definitely possible.

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #66)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:34 PM

67. It is a CONSPIRACY THEORY

 

It's bullshit. No evidence, just unbased assertions.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:51 AM

75. Nope.

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #75)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:55 AM

77. Gee, hard to dispute persuasive evidence like this...

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #66)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:30 PM

71. Agree. How soon we forget OH in 04

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #66)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:38 PM

84. I agree with you. I think the idea that election hacking is a possibility is self evident,

especially given 2004 and the GOP primaries. I am puzzled by the vociferousness of the people who are insisting that it is simply not a possibility.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:53 PM

70. Thank You ANON!

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #70)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:52 AM

76. +1

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:15 PM

78. Who is Kos?

 

Oh that self-important guy who was almost relevant in 2003...

I didn't think he was still around.

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Response to Eyes of the World (Reply #78)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:26 PM

79. Argumentum ad hominem

 

Really, people should brush up on logical discourse and the fallacies one should never engage in.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:04 PM

81. Roves meltdown convinces me he had some trick in play that failed

Be it ORCA or patches or Anon, he and Husted did have an arrangement that failed for him to react with such disbelief. Rove has never been fooled by his own propaganda before, he thought he had Ohio covered and in the bag.

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Response to larkrake (Reply #81)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:40 PM

85. Yep.

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Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:46 AM

89. The FBI needs to start an investigation

An investigation into computer security for national security reasons should start immediately.

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