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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:02 AM

Thom Hartmann jumps on "Anon. foils Rove's e-Vote rigging in OH"



Here are some other posts on DU regarding this fascinating and ongoing
inquiry as to WTF Happened In OHIO.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021832154
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251234069

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Reply Thom Hartmann jumps on "Anon. foils Rove's e-Vote rigging in OH" (Original post)
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 OP
Fridays Child Nov 2012 #1
tavalon Nov 2012 #3
KansDem Nov 2012 #9
Coyotl Nov 2012 #42
KansDem Nov 2012 #55
glinda Nov 2012 #73
mtasselin Nov 2012 #20
Coyotl Nov 2012 #52
simmonsj811 Nov 2012 #22
Cleita Nov 2012 #51
world wide wally Nov 2012 #2
rightsideout Nov 2012 #4
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #54
fasttense Nov 2012 #5
bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #24
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #6
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #62
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #80
AnnieK401 Nov 2012 #7
Drahthaardogs Nov 2012 #14
tavalon Nov 2012 #16
ailsagirl Nov 2012 #83
tavalon Nov 2012 #84
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #21
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #28
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #29
Coyotl Nov 2012 #43
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #45
Coyotl Nov 2012 #46
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #47
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #27
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #30
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #31
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #33
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #34
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #35
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #36
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #41
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #75
Springslips Nov 2012 #86
Coyotl Nov 2012 #49
Coyotl Nov 2012 #8
Tutonic Nov 2012 #10
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #17
Coyotl Nov 2012 #37
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #48
MFM008 Nov 2012 #76
2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #12
Coyotl Nov 2012 #38
Overseas Nov 2012 #59
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #63
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struggle4progress Nov 2012 #25
Overseas Nov 2012 #57
KansDem Nov 2012 #11
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #13
Coyotl Nov 2012 #40
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #64
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #65
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #66
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #69
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #15
Coyotl Nov 2012 #44
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #50
SouthernDonkey Nov 2012 #58
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #67
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #68
barbtries Nov 2012 #18
Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #19
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #61
whistler162 Nov 2012 #23
longship Nov 2012 #26
TroglodyteScholar Nov 2012 #71
warrior1 Nov 2012 #32
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #39
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #70
Sheepshank Nov 2012 #78
Cary Nov 2012 #53
Overseas Nov 2012 #56
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #60
Coyotl Nov 2012 #72
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #74
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #77
dtom67 Nov 2012 #79
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #81
Coyotl Nov 2012 #85
polichick Nov 2012 #82

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:47 AM

1. How is Karl Rove still on the outside of a prison cell?

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:38 AM

3. I think an even more interesting question is why is Karl Rove still breathing?

I'm not sure I buy the anonymous story but I do know Karl thought he had something in the bag, whether vote tampering, suppression or just good old delusional Karl Rove thinking - but no matter the scenario, he took huge sums of money from people promising them something that he didn't deliver on. Right about now, all he has going for him is that he's famous and in the public view, like Julian Assange. As a matter of fact, they are like the light and dark side of things and they share the same thin thread keeping them alive. I was hoping he would slink off into obscurity and into one of the great lakes, but he, while being a putrid turdblossom, is not stupid. He's a smart disgusting worm, so he will stay in the public's eye and we will de facto protect him from some very angry, very rich people.

I don't mind shielding Julian Assange. It pisses me off to serve the same purpose for Karl Rove.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:01 AM

9. I wonder what was said in his conference call...

....with those "very angry, very rich people."

You got to believe someone recorded it!

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Response to KansDem (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:22 PM

42. There is a transcript, it goes like this:

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:12 PM

55. Apparently you were unaware about the conference call...

When Barack Obama won reelection by a wide margin, a lot of people thought it spelled the end for Karl Rove. The GOP's most dominant money man over the last decade was toast, everyone thought, but Rove is digging in his heels and preparing for a fight. He's not going anywhere.

Rove, it turns out, had no idea what was going to happen in the election. His prediction was so far off what actually happened, many thought it would signal the end of American Crossroads' influence on the GOP. Rove has faced criticism from within the GOP in the election's hangover.

Rove was so stunned when election results were announced live on Fox News he tried to argue with the network's data center over their decision to call the race. It was a very public, and unintentional, tar-and-feathering level embarrassment for Rove. The segment ended with questions being raised over Rove's role on the network. Is it still okay to use Rove as a political analyst, something he's more than qualified for from his time with the Bush campaign, when he's so involved with what he's supposed to cover? Rove doesn't just have a dog in the race; he has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in that dog.

Politico's Kenneth Vogel reports things aren't going so well at Crossroads, either. Rove had to face a conference call full of angry investors asking why their money didn't do what it was supposed to. Donors "weren't saying anything like, 'Hey, you dumb son of a b,'" Stan Hubbard told Vogel. "It was all very businesslike. It was as if you were in a business conference and you were a retailer and why didnt this product sell better?" It was a civil conversation, but it's still something Rove isn't used to: people don't question Karl Rove.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/karl-rove-fights-his-reckoning/58884/

Consider yourself informed...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:04 PM

73. This would actually explain why it took so long for Mittster to concede.

Between the "WTF" coming from Karl and the "what?" from Mittster....they were confused and maybe even scared. "What if someone found out?" let alone having to answer to the evil investors in the process.

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:07 AM

20. Thank You "Anonymous"

Agreed, he should be but there are more pieces of shit like him out there wanting to do the same thing. We need to change the laws but in the mean time a Hugh Thanks to Anonymous words can not express our gratitude.

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Response to mtasselin (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:03 PM

52. For the wonderful fake video of yourself LOL

Inquiring minds want to know why such low-quality production?

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:48 PM

51. For the same reason Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney are.

Those Atty Generals, who could prepare cases against them for war crimes and/or treason, are afraid of them. They are untouchable in a way.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:09 AM

2. Yay, Anonymous!...This is better than the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:46 AM

4. Intriguing

I want to hear more.

My only question is how can anyone have the nerve to flip votes and get away with it? Especially in this election where attention was paid to voter suppression.

Anonymous warned Rove they would watch his servers on election day. I'm surprised he thought he could still get away with it.

I want to hear Rove's reaction in an interview on what he thinks about Anonymous watching him.

Annonymous was also going to present evidence to WikiLeaks I thought.

But anyway, I'll never forget Rove's reaction on election night. I watched it live and it was priceless. Kudos to the hactivists that made our day.

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Response to rightsideout (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:03 PM

54. Anon going to "present evidence to Wikileaks"?

WOW! I hadn't heard that on yet. That would be stellar ... to get all the damning evidence proving Rove's complicity in e-vote cheating, all that exists, or at least enough to insure some kind of conviction and prison time.

Thanks for the tip.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:04 AM

5. Something did disrupt Rove's vote rigging in Ohio

but what it was, I'm not sure.

He was flabbergasted when Fox called Ohio for Obama. He wasn't just whining. He was trying to tell Fox that they had called Ohio wrong and that this calling of elections wrong had been done before in 2000 and especially in 2004. Everything was set up to steal the election in Ohio for RepubliCONS yet again. So, I wonder what happened?

Will Anonymous take credit and provide evidence? Were RepubliCONS overexposed and unable to use their cheat machine? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:27 AM

24. And he was trying to point out there there were too many votes left to count to call it

and pointing out that the amount left to count could tip the election either way.
it didn't matter to him AT ALL that the outstanding votes were all in democratic
precincts. i think THAT says a lot. like he was expecting democratic precincts
to suddenly churn out a majority of romney votes.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:05 AM

6. ANON might have just saved the day

Funny how no one can know for sure.

No fail safe paper trail to compare actual vote counts to electronic vote counts.

Why not make vote counting and voting machines government responsibility and government property with paper recount trails?

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:04 PM

62. Rumor has it

that Anon is going to be providing some damning information,
hopefully enough to convict Rove's felonious ass and send him
to prison where he belongs, onto the Wikileaks website soon.

Hopefully Anon is preparing all this as we speak. It would be
such a HUGE victory for democracy in America and for the cause
of truth and justice everywhere to put this slimeball behind
bars for decades.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:59 PM

80. The Machines were vulnerable to hacking.........

&feature=colike

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:42 AM

7. I'm beginning to think that even some Dems don't want to admit the 2004 election

was stolen by corrupt voting machine software. If we had proof back then what would it have meant? Civil War?

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Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:40 AM

14. Of course it was stolen.

They stole it, then FOX brainwashed people to believe that exit polling is inaccurate and wrong.

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Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:43 AM

16. Many Dems

I screamed holy hell that year. I got exhausted in my anger and had to leave for a while. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, in 2004, it was not a duck. At least around here.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:51 PM

83. It's interesting that, on MSNBC, none of the hosts...

ever mention 2004's election as having been stolen. Too for them?

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #83)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:40 PM

84. Too tin foil hat for anyone

It's like saying the WTC being an inside job. Just too incendiary and scary to do anything but marginalize it. Think about it, if our government would stoop to terrifying its citizens and refusing them the right to vote, what else might they do? Incarcerate (in solitude) American citizens for showing us a video of other Americans murdering innocent civilians? Send people to unknown black op sites to be tortured and allow Guantanamo bay to continue to hold questionable guilty people for a decade. See the slippery slope?

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Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:09 AM

21. The fact that Democrats won't see the light, is the most depressing thing of all.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:57 AM

28. That's what Birthers say about Republicans who don't buy their bullshit stories. n/t

 

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:32 PM

29. What matters is that information continues to come in so we can be sure

one way, or the other. S

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:25 PM

43. Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, freeperville!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:38 PM

45. Instead of stopping the debate, which is at an early stage,

why don't you add something constructive, like facts that will convince us that it's absolutely not possible that it could ever happen.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:51 PM

46. But I want to stop the bullshit storm.



Debating pure bullshit as if it were true is the problem.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:18 PM

47. Not helpful.

Sorry. People once thought the world was flat, also. I say, give it another week or two before it gets its own dungeon forum.

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Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:56 AM

27. The 2004 election WAS NOT "stolen by corrupt voting machine software"

 

Barack Obama WAS NOT "born in Kenya".

The moon landings WERE NOT staged in a film studio.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:33 PM

30. How do you explain the one minute outsourced flipping of the votes?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:36 PM

31. How do you explain with posts that are not written with any coherency?

 



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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:38 PM

33. Then, perhaps you should have listened to the video.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:40 PM

34. Again, I hae no clue what you are talking about

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:42 PM

35. Seems like it's a bigger problem for you, than it is for me.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:43 PM

36. Nope, you're the one with the problem, not I

 

Write something coherent, maybe I'll read it.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:50 PM

41. Empirical evidence indicates that you'll read it even if it isn't coherent.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:21 AM

75. Read it *and* bitch about it.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:21 PM

86. All conspiracy theorist

Always come back with "how do you explain. . ." Lol. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country is a real problem. I am thankful though that I am a member of a party that has members willing to question crazy in its other members, and not become a group think echo chamber the GOP has become. Keep up the good work Romneylies, and don't be angry too much, they are good Dems and liberals, they are just caught in bad schema originating from their lizard parts of their brain, and not accessing the higher logical mind; it is hard to be rational with people, caught in the bubble, in that state. It is a shame that Tom Heartman is doing that too, such a smart guy but is going down this irrational, anti-intellectual pass.

When we see Freepers going nuts with their own whacked out theories we should laugh, but also think "there by the grace of God go I." Too bad Tomm is playing Glen Bech is this crazy delusion.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:32 PM

49. The Ohio 2004 punch card voting system made stealing elections too easy.

You just moved unmarked ballots to the next precinct's pile. Thus, Kerry votes became Bush votes. Too easy!!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:48 AM

8. There goes Thom's credibility, down the toilet

Falling for this bogus story and for the Ohio misinformation too. So sad to see.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:13 AM

10. How do you explain the system failures in both 2004 and 2012--when the system went down

for one minute? As difficult as it seems, Anon. or someone did foil manipulation of the voter system by Rove. ORCA was never a GOTV program.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:44 AM

17. Where's the code?

Why not release the code?

Here's why: it doesn't exist.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:45 PM

37. I don't, nor do I have to. How do you explain when you request a web page and it does not appear?

And then, a minute later, there it is again. Karl Rove?

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:22 PM

48. DU went down for a minute on election night.

Was that part of this nefarious plot too? Maybe Rove was hacking into DU and editing our posts.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:46 AM

76. yes I noticed that also

I just hope Rove and or other goprs read some of what Ive said. Im hoping so.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:27 AM

12. You should check out the info from Ohio if you think it is bogus.

There is much info. You can probably get it at bradblog.com

As for if anon did this, we can only hope it's true right now. I would like to think we had an ace in the hole, so to speak, like Anonymous.

The real problem, in my opinion, is why does few in govt. want to get the system protected? Unless of course they like it hackable. Curious to me.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:46 PM

38. I'm one of the guys generating the information, and passing it to Brad the reporter

Some of us are actually NOT on the sidelines just reporting!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:33 PM

59. You are "generating the information" but then disapproving the speculation about it?

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:11 PM

63. It certainly does seem that the way Hartmann lays it out

ought to help the nay-sayers to "get it", as he goes into quite a bit
of detail as to exactly HOW Rove's vote-rigging operation was poised
to steal the election again, AND how Anon apparently prevented it from
actually happening this time around.

I guess no matter what the topic, or how clear the information is,
there will a few who will still trot out their "BS Detector" graphic
just to keep things interesting.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:59 AM

25. +

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:28 PM

57. Sounds like you would like that, but he was just airing the speculation. Fascinating to consider.

If that bizarre flip in vote tallies that many of us here on DU saw happen in 2004 was due to the data being re-routed through a server in Tennessee, and someone had found a way to stop something similar from happening this time, I would be glad.

But it is just speculation at this stage, and may remain so.

I was wondering, upon hearing of Karl's shock on election night, whether those special software patches had failed.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:21 AM

11. This chart supports Thom's explanation



Check out Ohio...

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:36 AM

13. I've now lost all respect for Thom Hartmann

 

No respect at all for him any more. He's now no more reliable than Alex Jones.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:48 PM

40. Agreed. If he falls for this BS, how can we believe anything he says?

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:18 PM

64. Comparing Hartmann to Alex Jones is laughable

And if you allow yourself to be so "turned off" to TH that you
completely write him off, just due to ONE instance where you
happen to disagree with what he is presenting, well ... that
casts some doubt in my mind as to the rationality of your
thinking process.

You MAY just consider for one moment the possibility that he
is actually correct and you are not, but I'm not holding my
breath.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:26 PM

65. He's spouting conspiracy theory bullshit

 

He has precisely zero credibility now.

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