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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:35 PM

The Democrats are now up to 200 seats in the House of Representatives

Ron Barber (D-AZ) was declared elected earlier today by the Associated Press in Gabrielle Giffords' former seat.

The number could go as high as 201 if the final undeclared seat in North Carolina is determined in the Democrats' favor.

Republicans currently have 234 seats.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results/house

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Reply The Democrats are now up to 200 seats in the House of Representatives (Original post)
TroyD Nov 2012 OP
Lasher Nov 2012 #1
aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #2
davidn3600 Nov 2012 #3
Lasher Nov 2012 #4
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #5
Lasher Nov 2012 #7
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #10
Lasher Nov 2012 #18
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #20
davidn3600 Nov 2012 #16
aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #13
onenote Nov 2012 #19
aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #21
bigdarryl Nov 2012 #6
mnhtnbb Nov 2012 #8
Cha Nov 2012 #9
davidpdx Nov 2012 #11
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12
Sunlei Nov 2012 #14
Change has come Nov 2012 #15
Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #17
Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #22

Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:40 PM

1. Great news, that's a net gain of 7 seats so far.

Despite all the GOPee gerrymandering.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:49 PM

2. Without that we would have won the house outright.



More people voted for Dem House members than GOP house members last Tuesday. We had more total votes for all 3 branches of government.

I grow tired of the country being hijacked by small, rural, uneducated, disproportionally southern, country districts.


Barack Obama won the votes of the entire country. But Cantor's only loyalty is to several thousand voters in one rural country district.

That's not fair. Its time for this to change.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:08 PM

3. The House isn't meant to represent the popular vote of the nation

The House is supposed to represent people on the local level.

That's just how our system of government is set up. That's not going to change.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:22 PM

4. The house can't represent the people at the local level,

if the selection process is radically corrupted by gerrymandering. That's the point.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:36 PM

5. But it does represent the states

We have to clean up first, will not be an easy chore

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:51 PM

7. We have to clean up the gerrymandering or reply in kind.

What we can't do is continue to let Republicans get by with this, with little retaliation.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:15 PM

10. And the representatives in state house

Re-district. But in Texas this last go round was challenged in the courts and ruled discriminatory, they had to redo or courts would do it for them, so maybe until we win these houses back we can first start with courts. Can we challenge the existing in the courts, do you know?

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:00 AM

18. That was just in districts protected by the Voting Rights Act

That being the case, courts stepped in only where it could be shown that minorities had been disenfranchised due to gerrymandering.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:31 AM

20. Oh, ok guess I need to get learned more about this :)

Thanks Lasher

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Response to Lasher (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:56 AM

16. We are not a national democracy

We are not a straight democracy. That is not the way our country was set up. We are a Constitutional Republic. The people elect politicians on the local and state level who then go to Washington to represent their state and/or district to the federal level.

The person I was responding to was pointing out the national congressional vote. Which is totaling the popular vote for the House as a whole. The popular vote on the national scale is completely meaningless in the United States. The founding fathers didn't want the people directly electing the federal level. They wanted there to be a firewall between the feds and the people. We did not even get to vote for Senators until the 17th amendment was passed. The states would appoint them every 6 years. There is a reason we are called the "United States." The states are not supposed to be simply governing districts of the federal government like most countries around the world are set up today. The states are supposed to have their own constitution and their own government and some sense of autonomy.

As far as gerrymandering is concerned...its obvious the founders did not see that problem coming when they wrote the constitution. It's a wrinkle in their grand plan. But even so, it's the state government that draws those maps, not the feds. So really it falls in line with what they wanted.
The framers though did not envision political parties trying to gain advantages on each other. This was something George Washington eventually foresaw happening and warned America about it in his farewell address. He thought political parties would tear the country apart. He might be right.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:24 PM

13. Um... that's the point. It doesn't represent the people on a local level.


That's what gerrymandering to this extent does.

If this past election was based on the district lines we had just after 2010, the Dems would control the house. And that is without changing ONE VOTE in any house race during the 2012 election.

The House has become all about drawing maps, and not about votes, or the will and want of the people. Especially at the local level.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:10 AM

19. That's interesting. Do you have a link to an analysis

that shows how the vote would've turned out without the 2010 redistricting?
(Keep in mind that in addition to redistricting, changes in total state population led to 8 states picking up additional representatives and 10 states losing representatives. The repubs controlled the redistricting process in 8 of the 10 states where seats were added.)

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:46 PM

6. What about that CRAZY ASS Allan West

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:57 PM

8. If you mean Mike McIntyre in NC...he's won the seat barring a recount that changes

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:08 PM

9. We're counting Patrick Murphy? He's been certified but

they're going back and counting a section of the votes?

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:16 PM

11. Great to hear that

I was really hoping he'd pull out a victory. 200 is a good start. In 2014 we'll have to take out 17 seats to get the majority back.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:37 PM

12. Those SOB's in PA gerrymandered those seats that we only have 5 of 18 seats.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:34 PM

14. I hope we can start NOW, with a list of 50-60 of the worse, to get rid of next election

Any that continue to obstruct America and have obstructed for the past 4 years need to be at top of the list.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:19 PM

15. K & R

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:00 AM

17. 2014 could be a good year depending on the economy.

If the economy is stronger than it is today, the Democrats could theoretically retake the House and that would leave Obama with a solid two years to really get shit done without the obstructionist assholes standing entirely in the way. It's weird, most presidents fail in their second term ... but I bet Obama's second term proves to be a great success.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:19 PM

22. good news. thanks for the update

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